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>My daughter who is laxative dependent has not had a bowel movement for

>8 days now. Two evenings prior she took 8 senokot tablets and last

>night she repeated this dose and has not had any results. This is the

>first time she has not had relief after taking this dose even just

>once. What should she do?

>She had been eating the commercial kefir and taking Primal Defense for

>two weeks and then last week she was not able to. Now for 4 days she

>has had homemade kefir but no primal defense.

>Sandy

A number of people I've talked to seem to get constipated eating

kefir, esp. at first. There may be two factors:

1. When you start taking probiotics, you produce less of the

toxins that stimulate the gut into mobility. So it kind of shuts

down. That happened to me when I started taking probiotics,

but not to such a major degree.

2. Ongoing constipation seems to be often related

to food intolerances (gluten/casein being the big ones, but

not the only ones). I'm assuming since she is " laxative dependent "

she's been tested for IgA intolerances?

3. Once a blockage develops, the gut might not be

able to move it at all, which can be a big major problem

(as I'm sure you know!).

Heidi Jean

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On Friday, March 11, 2005, at 12:37 PM, Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote:

> 2. Ongoing constipation seems to be often related

> to food intolerances (gluten/casein being the big ones, but

> not the only ones). I'm assuming since she is " laxative dependent "

> she's been tested for IgA intolerances?

>

She has not been tested. She doesn't even have a doctor. We are

working on trying to find one that takes our insurance.

Sandy

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>She has not been tested. She doesn't even have a doctor. We are

>working on trying to find one that takes our insurance.

>Sandy

Well, the quick and cheap test is ... try a paleo diet (meat/vegies/fruit ...

no corn, eggs, soy, dairy, wheat, or other grains). It's hard though,

when someone is laxative dependent. Most doctors won't do

the IgA tests unless you ask but the gastros probably will. If she

doesn't " go " soon though you should probably check with someone ...

8 days is a long time ... !

Heidi Jean

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>My daughter who is laxative dependent has not had a bowel movement for

>8 days now. Two evenings prior she took 8 senokot tablets and last

>night she repeated this dose and has not had any results. This is the

>first time she has not had relief after taking this dose even just

>once. What should she do?

>She had been eating the commercial kefir and taking Primal Defense for

>two weeks and then last week she was not able to. Now for 4 days she

>has had homemade kefir but no primal defense.

>Sandy

After 8 days I would seriously consider performing an enema. Or maybe at

least try some of those glycerin tablets I've heard you can insert to " get

it going " ...

By the way, you may have heard of a wonderful product called Fruit-eze?

http://www.fruit-eze.com/ It's simply a big jar of prunes, dates and figs

mashed up. Nothing else. No preservatives. I have no idea how or why it

works so well but man! that stuff Really Works Great to help keep one's

stools at just the right consistency. You start with a tablespoon a day and

work up to as many TBSP. it takes to get things running smoothly and then

you back off to two TBSP. a day. It helps you to retrain your bowels...

~Robin

Ps. BTW it's just my 2 cents but I don't like Anything about Primal Defense.

I'm guessing that it might be what made a bad problem a lot worse..

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Your daughter will need to drink LOTS of water - 4 to 5 litres a day and eat

small meals a few times a day of something high in roughage such as lettuce

and other salad vegetables. After a couple of days with a high fluid

intake she might want to try an enema or colonic irrigation, to assist the

process. She can continue this process while slowly reducing the quantity

of laxatives that she uses. Depending on how laxative dependant she is

(e.g. 8 once a day is not considered a severe problem, although it is

definately far from ideal) it can take a while to get back to not needing

any laxatives, but keeping up a high fluid intake and roughage will help.

Some people who have a long-term severed problem will take 6 months or more

to be able to return to eating a normal diet and have normal bowel function,

because the bowel has lost all muscle tone.

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> My daughter who is laxative dependent has not had a bowel movement for

> 8 days now. Two evenings prior she took 8 senokot tablets and last

> night she repeated this dose and has not had any results. This is the

> first time she has not had relief after taking this dose even just

> once. What should she do?

> She had been eating the commercial kefir and taking Primal Defense for

> two weeks and then last week she was not able to. Now for 4 days she

> has had homemade kefir but no primal defense.

> Sandy

Has she ever had round ball- like bm's? That's a casein allergy and it can

be what's holding up the elimination. Apples with peel for pectin and nut

butter is a helpful snack. If she improves on bone broth or calcium

supplements the meat, potatoes, veggie diet Heidi brought up will keep her

fast metabolism moving.

Wanita

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What an interesting product!

How about an oldie? Milk of Magnesia. If you're short on

magnesium, you will tend to be constipated, or have a stiff, crackly

neck, or have hiccups.

> By the way, you may have heard of a wonderful product called Fruit-

eze?

> http://www.fruit-eze.com/ It's simply a big jar of prunes, dates

and figs

> mashed up. Nothing else. No preservatives. I have no idea how or

why it

> works so well but man! that stuff Really Works Great to help keep

one's

> stools at just the right consistency. You start with a tablespoon a

day and

> work up to as many TBSP. it takes to get things running smoothly

and then

> you back off to two TBSP. a day. It helps you to retrain your

bowels...

> ~Robin

>

> Ps. BTW it's just my 2 cents but I don't like Anything about Primal

Defense.

> I'm guessing that it might be what made a bad problem a lot worse..

>

>

>

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On Saturday, March 12, 2005, at 11:08 AM, wrote:

> What an interesting product!

>

> How about an oldie?  Milk of Magnesia.  If you're short on

> magnesium, you will tend to be constipated, or have a stiff, crackly

> neck, or have hiccups.

>

>

Wow! That is very interesting...a stiff crackly neck! That sounds

like me and I thought it was just old age!

Thank you everyone for your help...she did have a small response just

after I posted my email and we obtained a grinder and she has taken

some flaxseed so we are waiting to see if that is going to help but I

am holding on to all your emails just in case. We will also ask about

the IGA testing when we finally get her a doctor...thank you all so

very much!

Sandy

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>> How about an oldie? Milk of Magnesia. If you're short on

>> magnesium, you will tend to be constipated, or have a stiff, crackly

>> neck, or have hiccups.

>>

>>

>

> Wow! That is very interesting...a stiff crackly neck! That sounds

> like me and I thought it was just old age!

>

> Sandy

With the principles of metabolic typing if magnesium or Milk of Magnesia

improves her instead of the calcium or bone broth she'll be better off on a

lower protein, higher carbohydrate diet. Magnesium speeds up and improves

slow metabolizers. Calcium slows down and improves fast metabolisms.

Confusing, as magnesium is considered a body electricity regulator, muscle

relaxer. Will speed up faster, fast metabolisms and make them worse. My

stiff, crackly neck never went away on years of calcium, magnesium together

or extra magnesium too. Just calcium and it's gone. Calcium or magnesium

could help the diaphragm and those hiccups.

Wanita

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The wonderful thing about stewed prunes and other dried fruits like the figs

and dates are that they contain so much " wet " fiber. Part of the

constipation problem is, I think, that the walls of the colon become

dehydrated and are not able to work as well as they could. If you want to

introduce more fiber I like the idea of " live " fiber -- it's wet already and

won't absorb more much needed moisture from a too dry system. I don;t know

if there is such a thing as " wet " fiber -- I just made it up -- but those

" dry " fibers like flax seeds and psyllium and bran are just too drastic on

my system even under ideal circumstances. I suppose I would consider them

for a very limited period of time I felt I needed to undergo a big Cleanse

that also included colon hydrotherapy.

But for the most part, I imagine them just cutting, scratching and

irritating things down there. But, of course, that's just me. There is

Plenty of fiber in vegetables and fruits especially if you include the

stewed prunes etc.

I'm happy to hear that this business of adding isolated grain or seed type

fiber helps a lot of people but, for me, it's like eating sand -- too harsh.

~Robin

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>The wonderful thing about stewed prunes and other dried fruits like the figs

>and dates are that they contain so much " wet " fiber. Part of the

>constipation problem is, I think, that the walls of the colon become

>dehydrated and are not able to work as well as they could.

I agree ... the thing about prunes is the fiber attracts water. They don't

cause problems at any dose (unlike the old wives tales ... or, well,

they shouldn't, they might for some folks). Also, you can add pureed

prunes to most baked goods and they goods will taste better, be

moister and tastier. Good in hamburger too, amazingly enough.

Heidi Jean

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>

> >> http://www.fruit-eze.com/ It's simply a big jar of prunes, dates

> >and figs

> >> mashed up. Nothing else. No preservatives. I have no idea how or

> >why it

>

>There is also the old standby, stewed prunes! My family LOVES them

>just for fun, me too.

Prunes, figs etc. may work for people with reasonably normal bowel function,

but are unlikely to work for someone with a long-term laxative dependency,

unless taken with very large quantities of water.

Unless taken with very large quantities of water the prunes etc. will just

absorb any available fluid and add to the mass that is not passing through

the colon. It is better just to take the water alone, in very large

quantities, because what is needed is to soften up and move along the

hardened matter sitting in the colon. If you take the prunes etc and the

water, the prunes will use water that ideally is needed to soften the

hardened matter. The mushy prunes will be sitting there, last in line,

behind the dried-out matter that is causing the constipation in the first

place.

Again, if you have reasonably normal bowel function, then the prunes are

fine if taken with fluid, although large amounts of water should also do the

trick and save you spending lots of money on organic prunes, figs, etc.

However, someone with a long-term laxative dependency, who has not passed

anything for a number of days, will have a lot of dried-out matter sitting

there, and does not have the muscle tone in the bowel to move it along with

just a bit of extra help.

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