Re: Re: Elevated protein levels

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--- Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> 1) What is the reasoning for abstaining from protein? He's excreting

> the protein, but does that mean he doesn't need it?

> 2) Butter and ghee are not protein foods. Why would he get rid of

> butter and ghee? Ghee is pure fat.

All valid questions, and I have no idea why a doctor would recommend such

a diet.

I believe it is a fairly standard practice now-a-days for doctors to remove all

fat from

the patient's diet, regardless of the nature of illness.

Fat gets blamed for everything....

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--- jopollack2001 <jopollack2001@...> wrote:

> This is

> not sustainable in the long term - not only will he be ravenously

> hungry, but he needs protein to survive. If he doesn't get it in his

> diet, the body will start using protein muscle and bone tissue to

> replace the cells of essential organs.

Exactly ! and that is my fear as well.

Trouble is - most people are too scared to ignore doctor's advice.

> You're in Canada, aren't you? My parents moved there from France

> earlier this year and so far haven't been impressed with the

> healthcare they've received. I hope you have more luck than them

Yes, I live in Canada but my parents live in India.

The health care system there is a mixture of Canadian style public health care

and US

style private health care.

The public system is in shambles and most people go to private practioners.

My dad is also consulting a private practioner.

If there is anything common between public sector doctors and private ones - it

is their

opinion about fats and diet.

They agree unanimously that fat is to be blamed for everything.

Skip the trial, the judge and the jury - just shoot the fat !

Does anyone have any experience with reversing kidney disease?

Or any advice on what kind of diet is the best bet?

Thanks,

Pratick

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[Guest guest]

Hi - --

Thanks for your response.

I haven't been regular on the forum either and have over 4,000 messages unread.

I hope to start catching up in the next few months.

> First question: is your father willing to accept his son´s, that is

> your advice and therefore discontinue his medical treatment?

To some extent, yes.

He is dealing with several past and current health issues in addition to this

recent

kidney thing.

He has been on high blood pressure medication for as long as I can remember

(which is

about 25 years !).

So his chronic hypertension combined with the medication is one major factor in

this

kidney thing.

So I can convince him to stop taking a certain set of medication, but I don't

know if it

is alright to stop taking *all* medication cold turkey.

He'll have to gradually phase out medication.

The other important factor I found out by chance recently is that he got himself

vaccinated for Hepatatis-B last summer.

And surprise, surprise, the infection he caught last month is hepatatis-B !

As per the latest test results, the virus is still there in the body.

Also, a kidney ultrasound is showing minor shrinkage of both the kidneys - not

good at

all !

> Second question: would he accept changes in his diet?

Yes, for sure.

For the most part his diet has been very good.

He is one member of the family who was never sick (other than the high blood

pressure).

In all my growing years, I never remember him being sick with anything when

everyone

around him (myself and mom included) were always under the weather (flu,

allergies, viral

infections, etc.).

But in recent years, things seem to be catching up with him.

> Third question: would your mother or the person who cooks for him and

> looks after him agree to help him adopt a different routine?

Yes, for sure.

> Fourth question: what would your father think of fasting, not a very

> long fast, though?

He would gladly undertake it if it helps.

What kind of fast did you have in mind?

Right now he needs to eat key nutrients to regain his lost strength due to the

viral

infection.

> Fifth question: what is his usual diet these days?

Typical Indian diet - a lot of vegetables, lentils, beans, fish and some meat

(chicken,

lamb).

Occasionally, butter, ghee and eggs.

As part of his recovery, I have him eating vegetable soup daily, egg yolks,

fish, butter

and ghee.

> 7. He or she should avoid eating beans, nuts, dairy, giblets, offals,

> preserved meats (ham).

I assume you are including butter (and ghee) in dairy as well.

Don't you think butter(ghee) are important for recovery?

> Well, Pratick, since you're living in different countries, so faraway

> from each other, it must be difficult for you to pass on the

> information to him and see if he is following it correctly.

That is part of the problem.

For instance, I didn't know until today that he got himself vaccinated last

year.

Had I known, I would never have let him do it.

Anyhow, I am trying the best I can given the constraints.

BTW, does anyone have any advice/suggestions or experience with reversing kidney

disease

(esp. kidney malfunction and/or shrinkage)?

Thanks for any help.

-Pratick

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