Inability to Orgasm, Anxiety, Nutrition

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> >Hmm. Being afraid to detox because you might lose a few

> pounds of muscle

> >mass puts people squarely in the bodybuilder world as far I

> am concerned.

>

> If I had tons and tons of LBM and no worries about excess fat

> I wouldn't be

> so worried, but my concerns aren't cosmetic.

Funny -- I was not thinking of you at all when I made my comment. I was

specifically recalling Chris' horror at the prospect of losing 10 pounds of

muscle by doing a detox. I found his pictures when I uploaded my liver

cleanse pic and realized that he's got plenty of muscle to work with. There

is no question that losing LBM if you are already at low levels is not a

good thing and efforts should be made to preserve it.

Ron

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> >Hmm. Being afraid to detox because you might lose a few

> pounds of muscle

> >mass puts people squarely in the bodybuilder world as far I

> am concerned.

>

> I should also add that I strongly suspect that the modern

> " cut " look of

> bodybuilders, achieved by dropping bodyfat percentages down

> well into the

> single digits, is a very bad idea. I'm not sure where the

> border between

> healthy and unhealthy is, but I expect the healthy floor for men is

> probably in the 8-12% range, and most likely not in the

> single digits at all.

This is a very interesting question and one that I think about regularly.

Since it really requires some pretty advanced dietary trickery to get below

12% while maintaining your muscle mass you may well be correct.

Ron

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:23:04 -0500, RBJR <rbjr@...> wrote:

> Funny -- I was not thinking of you at all when I made my comment. I was

> specifically recalling Chris' horror at the prospect of losing 10 pounds of

> muscle by doing a detox. I found his pictures when I uploaded my liver

> cleanse pic and realized that he's got plenty of muscle to work with.

> There

> is no question that losing LBM if you are already at low levels is not a

> good thing and efforts should be made to preserve it.

10 lbs is an awful lot of muscle to lose. That's about a third of

what I've gained since working out, over about 2 years.

Nevertheless, I'm trying the VCO / lemon-water fast as soon as I get

my VCO in. Probably Monday, hopefully.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> I also brought up Heinlein a while back, specifically the

> abysmal " I Will

> Fear No Evil. " I can't remember why, though.

>

Oh man. One of my favorites, actually. Does that disqualify me for

membership in the NN Objectivist club?

Ron

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: RBJR [mailto:rbjr@...]

>

> > I also brought up Heinlein a while back, specifically the

> abysmal " I

> > Will Fear No Evil. " I can't remember why, though.

>

> Oh man. One of my favorites, actually.

Really? I thought it was kind of like pornography with all the fun parts

edited out.

> Does that disqualify me for membership in the NN Objectivist club?

IMOO (the first O is for " objective " ), it ought to disqualify you for a lot

of things. Besides, there's only one of me now. If I let another member in,

it gets a lot harder to assemble a quorum.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> > > I also brought up Heinlein a while back, specifically the

> > abysmal " I

> > > Will Fear No Evil. " I can't remember why, though.

> >

> > Oh man. One of my favorites, actually.

>

> Really? I thought it was kind of like pornography with all

> the fun parts

> edited out.

I experienced it as a brilliant attempt to look at the nature of masculinity

and femininity in a different way. I've never read a book like it before or

since. Sounds like you would consider that to be a good thing, right?

>

> > Does that disqualify me for membership in the NN Objectivist club?

>

> IMOO (the first O is for " objective " ), it ought to disqualify

> you for a lot

> of things. Besides, there's only one of me now. If I let

> another member in,

> it gets a lot harder to assemble a quorum.

That probably works out for the better. Reading _Atlas Shrugged_ was truly

one of the three or four most influential events in my life, but I've moved

on. I tend to look at works by the results that they produce and the

Objectivist universe is a particularly nightmarish place of discontent and

recrimination. That being said, there is no question that my understanding

of the world is still fundamentally informed by the knowledge I gained from

my avid reading of all of Ayn's works in the mid to late 1980's.

Ron