RE: lipid-soluble vitamin C!

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This is interesting, and I have nothing definitive to offer BUT... many

years ago, pre-Internet, I read another holistic dog breeder saying

something like, goats make all their own vitamin C in their livers, to an

amount of around 10,000 mgs a day. When wolves eat the livers of their prey,

they are getting all that vitamin C. Hence, she claimed, dogs did evolve

eating a dietary source of C and not relying solely on the C they make

themselves.

I have never in my life found another reference to anything like that, nor

been able to substantiate it. As I said, that was before the Internet and

it's never crossed my mind in the post-google era... for all I know, if I

searched a bit I'd turn up something. Or maybe this breeder was delerious.

<G>

But now you have me wondering....

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

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[Guest guest]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:12:37 -0400

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Someone posted some correspondence with Ray Peat on the chapter

> leaders list in which Ray Peat said that liver is a good source of

> vitamin C, but the vitamin C it contains is the lipid-soluble

> intracellular form of vitamin C that the nutrient databases do not

> account for.

>

> Did anyone else know about this? I was unaware that there was a

> lipid-soluble form of vitamin C, and it is certain suprising and

> intriguing that there is vitamin C in meats that isn't showing up on

> nutrient databases!

>

> Maybe that explains how Steffanson found raw meat to have enough C to

> prevent scurvy, despite meat not appearing to contain any vitamin C.

> I wonder what kind of amounts we're talking... I hope Dr. Peat will

> provide more information. I had little success Googling it... or at

> least gave up wading through all the junk my search generated before I

> found something good.

>

> Chris

I will ask on the RBTI list, since Dr. Reams taught and believed the

same thing, and he certainly predates Dr. Peat.

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[Guest guest]

> lipid-soluble vitamin C!

>

>

>Someone posted some correspondence with Ray Peat on the chapter

>leaders list in which Ray Peat said that liver is a good source of

>vitamin C, but the vitamin C it contains is the lipid-soluble

>intracellular form of vitamin C that the nutrient databases do not

>account for.

>

>Did anyone else know about this? I was unaware that there was a

>lipid-soluble form of vitamin C, and it is certain suprising and

>intriguing that there is vitamin C in meats that isn't showing up on

>nutrient databases!

I've been aware of the existence of fat-soluble vit. C for some time now,

but I was not aware that it's present in liver. It's called ascorbyl

palmitate. There are lots of places marketing this form of vit. C.

>

>Maybe that explains how Steffanson found raw meat to have enough C to

>prevent scurvy, despite meat not appearing to contain any vitamin C.

I didn't read all of Steffanson's work, but my understanding is that the

Inuit got their vit. C primarily from the adrenal glands of their prey.

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[Guest guest]

On 6/29/05, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> >Maybe that explains how Steffanson found raw meat to have enough C to

> >prevent scurvy, despite meat not appearing to contain any vitamin C.

>

> I didn't read all of Steffanson's work, but my understanding is that the

> Inuit got their vit. C primarily from the adrenal glands of their prey.

Yeah, but he said something about raw (muscle, I thought) meat

providing enough vitamin C to prevent scurvy on trips or something

like that.

Chris

[Guest guest]

This is interesting, and I have nothing definitive to offer BUT... many

years ago, pre-Internet, I read another holistic dog breeder saying

something like, goats make all their own vitamin C in their livers, to an

amount of around 10,000 mgs a day. When wolves eat the livers of their

prey,

they are getting all that vitamin C. Hence, she claimed, dogs did evolve

eating a dietary source of C and not relying solely on the C they make

themselves.

I have never in my life found another reference to anything like that, nor

been able to substantiate it. As I said, that was before the Internet and

it's never crossed my mind in the post-google era... for all I know, if I

searched a bit I'd turn up something. Or maybe this breeder was delerious.

<G>

But now you have me wondering....

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com

http://doggedblog.com