Re: My experience with caffeine

[Guest guest]

>And no wheat BTW. Here's a list of the foods to eat:

>

>http://ayurveda.com/online%20resource/food_guidelines.pdf

>

>

Oh boy, lots of soy for pitta on this list. And egg whites only,

yummy. Funny how Ayurvedic advice is all over the place depending on

the source, often it is sans meat, especially for pitta. I suppose it's

best to consult an Ayurvedic physician, or at least I would hope so.

Surely something more than dosha comes into play when recommending diet

and lifestyle for an individual ... like family history of

hypothyroidism for one. It's a nice general tool, but how scientific is it?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>>And no wheat BTW. Here's a list of the foods to eat:

>>

>>http://ayurveda.com/online%20resource/food_guidelines.pdf

>>

>>

> Oh boy, lots of soy for pitta on this list. And egg whites only,

> yummy. Funny how Ayurvedic advice is all over the place depending on

> the source, often it is sans meat, especially for pitta. I suppose it's

> best to consult an Ayurvedic physician, or at least I would hope so.

> Surely something more than dosha comes into play when recommending diet

> and lifestyle for an individual ... like family history of

> hypothyroidism for one. It's a nice general tool, but how scientific is

> it?

>

>

> Deanna

Cool, Deanna! Vata doesn't fare much better. Lots of wheat because its heavy

along with beef. Lots of dairy because its oily. Don't think citrus is ok

for everyone, lamb for no one and venison for others but not vata. Vata does

look closest to my near paleo allowing all nuts but with much more southern

hemisphere emphasis. Got to be taken with a grain of Celtic sea salt as it's

based on the people in the area it comes from.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

>

> >And no wheat BTW. Here's a list of the foods to eat:

> >

> >http://ayurveda.com/online%20resource/food_guidelines.pdf

> >

> >

> Oh boy, lots of soy for pitta on this list. And egg whites only,

> yummy. Funny how Ayurvedic advice is all over the place depending

on

> the source, often it is sans meat, especially for pitta.

* Hi Deanna:

* Isn't that because they eat or used to eat, unless I am mistaken,

little meat in India?

> I suppose it's

> best to consult an Ayurvedic physician, or at least I would hope

so.

> Surely something more than dosha comes into play when recommending

diet

> and lifestyle for an individual ... like family history of

> hypothyroidism for one. It's a nice general tool, but how

scientific is it?

>

>

> Deanna

>

* Good point, Deanna. But what is the best definition of science? If

Ayurveda was developed from observation and trial & error, and not

only from pure theory, then it is perhaps acientific.

Cheers,

José

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Seconding the freshness and quality point about coffee. I avoided most

coffee because of harshness, intestinal distress, shakiness and

unclean energy afterwards. But blue bottle coffee has made me into a

coffee drinker after years of tea. Freshest anywhere - like a

different beverage. Not an employee just satisfied customer.

http://www.bluebottlecoffee.net/

I'm lucky to live just 3 blocks from their Valley kiosk.

cheers,

> > As a non-coffee drinker (though I used to drink it very

infrequently years

> > ago), I had an interesting experience last year with a

chiropractor who

> > loves coffee. He has very expensive equipment to not only grind,

but roast

> > the beans in his home. He maintains that the jitteriness and other

> > reactions people have to coffee are due to its being *old*, rather

than

> > the intrinsic properties of the bean itself.

> >

> > Basically, the volatile oils in the roasted coffee bean are

thought to

> > break down after about 30 minutes, which is why he insists on fresh

> > roasting each cup right before he grinds and perks it.

> > I drank about 1/2 cup. It was quite good, and felt different than any

> > other coffee I've had.

> >

> > Just FYI....

> >

> > Nenah

>

> There's something to that, Nenah. Have considered roasting and

grinding my

> own. Friend is a local roaster. 5 lb. bags I get are roasted that

day. Store

> it in freezer except for small amount in refrigerator for grinding at

> brewing. What I get is an organic, shade grown, medium roast. Dark

roasts

> seem to fit a different metabolism than mine. They say medium roast is

> higher in caffeine than dark. To my system dark roast is higher in

acid. If

> I have one cup of any other coffee than the one I use, I can tell

either

> immediately from acid or feeling off next morning.

>

> Wanita

[Guest guest]

Yes I believe studies have found coffee to have very high

antioxidants, higher than tea even. But it is all in the quality of

the coffee or the tea. Best quality Japanese matcha tea ceremony style

is amazing stuff. Recently a study found whiskey to have potent

protective agents too! I'm a believer in that. Scotch is very

reviving. Not every day for me but sometimes it's just the thing.

cheers,

> > Re: My experience with caffeine

> >

> > > He maintains that the jitteriness and other

> > > reactions people have to coffee are due to its being *old*,

> rather than

> > > the intrinsic properties of the bean itself.

> > > Basically, the volatile oils in the roasted coffee bean are

> thought to

> > > break down after about 30 minutes, which is why he insists on

> fresh

> > > roasting each cup right before he grinds and perks it.

> >

> > There's something to that, Nenah. Have considered roasting and

> grinding my

> > own. Friend is a local roaster. 5 lb. bags I get are roasted that

> day. Store

> > it in freezer except for small amount in refrigerator for grinding

> at

> > brewing. What I get is an organic, shade grown, medium roast. Dark

> roasts

> > seem to fit a different metabolism than mine. They say medium roast

> is

> > higher in caffeine than dark. To my system dark roast is higher in

> acid. If

> > I have one cup of any other coffee than the one I use, I can tell

> either

> > immediately from acid or feeling off next morning.

> >

> > Wanita

> >

> > ====================

> > As your experience so eloquently shows, Wanita, everyone is so

> different --

> > in constitution, responses, tastes, etc. As they say, it's what

> makes the

> > world go round. (Does that mean that if everyone followed the same

> diet, the

> > world would be flat? ;-)

> >

> > Best,

> > Nenah

>

> I agree. We have two sayings here that may apply: " É preciso um pouco

> de tudo para fazer o mundo " and " Que seria do verde se todos

> gostassem do amarelo? " I don`t know the English equivalents, but the

> literal meaning is:

>

> We need a little bit of everything to make the world.

>

> What would happen to green if everybody only liked yellow?

>

> JC

[Guest guest]

>Cool, Deanna! Vata doesn't fare much better. Lots of wheat because its heavy

>along with beef. Lots of dairy because its oily. Don't think citrus is ok

>for everyone, lamb for no one and venison for others but not vata. Vata does

>look closest to my near paleo allowing all nuts but with much more southern

>hemisphere emphasis. Got to be taken with a grain of Celtic sea salt as it's

>based on the people in the area it comes from.

>

>Wanita

>

Yeah, I got my WAPFy glasses I'm looking through now at all this

Ayurveda for a year now. I think you have the cultural and regional

pinning correct. Vata needing grounding, Paleo is most that way. I

don't think it, like yoga, was ever geared to those folks outside the

culture. Nonetheless, I think we can tweak it for us individually as it

has some value. Heck, all the yoga friends I have in WAPF circles eat

meat and find the whole restriction of it irrational.

Deanna, in pitta central climate wise, craving tuna sashimi and ginger

[Guest guest]

José ,

Yo dude! Bueno baby, how have you been? (please forgive this friendly

greeting if it is somehow offensive, as it is for a friend in the slang

of southwest US)

>>the source, often it is sans meat, especially for pitta.

>>

>>

>

>* Hi Deanna:

>

>* Isn't that because they eat or used to eat, unless I am mistaken,

>little meat in India?

>

>

Yes, I think in the south this is true - they are the vegetarians of the

land. Northerners in mountainous regions would have little way to grow

plants year round, thus they eat/ate more animal foods like lamb and

yoghurt. But then, I must refer back to the point of the list, which is

Weston A. Price and his work for healthy living. Ayurveda may or may

not jibe with that purpose. Along these lines, I will quote the good

doctor:

" It will be noted that vitamin D, which the human does not readily

synthesize in adequately amounts, must be provided by foods of animal

tissues or animal products. As yet I have not found a single group of

primitive racial stock which was building and maintaining excellent

bodies by living entirely on plant foods. I have found in many parts of

the world most devout representatives of modern ethical systems

advocating restriction of foods to the vegetable products. In every

instance where the groups were involved had been long under this

teaching, I found evidence of degeneration in the form of dental caries,

and in the new generation in the form of abnormal dental arches to an

extent very much higher than in the primitive groups who were not under

this influence. " p. 279 of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by

Weston A. Price

>* Good point, Deanna. But what is the best definition of science? If

>Ayurveda was developed from observation and trial & error, and not

>only from pure theory, then it is perhaps acientific.

>

>Cheers,

>

>José

>

Well, it was a question. Is there research backing the notion that 1)

this tridoshic system is adequate in explaining differences in peoples,

and 2) the suggested remedies are adequate to balance out the

situation? I wonder because, for instance, I see no organ meats listed

in the foods list for any dosha, yet according to Dr. Price:

" 2. With the remote possibility of egg yolks, butter, cream, liver and

fish it is manifestly impossible to obtain any amount of vitamin D

worthy of mention in common foods. " Same book, p. 278

So from the list I, a pitta, can have butter, ice cream and fresh water

fish (yuck!) for vitamin D, yet if I follow WAPF principles, I will

generally choose from all choices Prices provides, marine foods being

superior to lake fish (especially in the modern polluted water age).

Our foods are generally diminished in nutrients in the modern age. Why

would I restrict the choices for necessary nutrients further without

good reason?

That is all. I think to assume Ayurveda as compatible with WAPF

principles is questionable. Further, it is usually advocated by these

professors of Ayurveda to seek out a professional Ayurvedic physician if

one really wants the lowdown on the foods to eat/avoid, lifestyle

factors, etc. Is anyone here an Ayurvedic physician?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Ay ay ay Deanna,

The rishis never disparaged meat-eating. They simply qualified animal

flesh as tamasic, having the quality of inertia, resistance and

grounding. Most fish is rajasic, with the qualities of energy and

action. No flesh foods are sattvic (promoting clarity, harmony and

balance.) Cow's milk is sattvic, but only if drunk within four hours

of milking, after that, it is rajasic. Fresh raw butter, uncooked, is

the highest esteemed of all fats, but since it doesn't keep long, the

next best is ghee. Yogurt is sattvic, but only while it is very

fresh, then it becomes rajasic. It is considered too sour and heating

to eat by the bowl, and is best diluted and spiced. Milk, yogurt,

ghee, honey and banana are sacred foods.

It was not considered bad to eat meat, but nourishing, especially of

young, hunted animals not killed by poison. Ayurveda became known as

predominantly vegetarian because of religous dogmas and Hindu

practitioners, but it was not written that way.

Further, wine and smoking are also both tamasic but used

medicinally--wine, to dispel fatigue and enhance digestion and smoking

for certain ailments. Neither was discouraged but intended to be used

in moderation, wine, in particular being highly aggravating for pitta

types.

It's true, the link to the list of foods I sent was put together by

Dr. Lad, who is very devout and a vegetarian but I didn't see anything

offensive. As far as tofu is concerned, WAPF-ers are pretty used to

editing it out. It was not being pushed as a health-promoting food,

merely classified by taste. I was just reading Schwarzbein's new book,

and it's all through her vegetarian recipes, too.

It would be very unlikely for anyone, even you, to be a single dosha,

so these lists are meant to be adjusted to any individual. Each

individual is a unique expression of consciousness and mix and balance

of doshas. Add to that any current imbalances, and one's menu might

change from day to day with weather, season, and any symptoms. The

lists are simply foods arranged according to tastes: sour, sweet,

salty, pungent, bitter, astringent. If in balance, one may eat

anything they please, in fact, for optimal health all six tastes

should be eaten every day. In fact, one may eat anything they

please at any time, but Ayurveda teaches that there are consequences

to food choices.

Re: WAPF principles, it seems in the raw milk campaign that raw milk

is promoted as an alternative to eating all the organ meats North

Americans generally find so distasteful. Also, I don't see how the

recommendations of, say, duck, beef, venison, disqualify organs from

same animals.

I know this stuff cold, Deanna, you can't Google it fast enough.

B.

> >* Hi Deanna:

> >

> >* Isn't that because they eat or used to eat, unless I am mistaken,

> >little meat in India?

> >

> >

> Yes, I think in the south this is true - they are the vegetarians of

the

> land. Northerners in mountainous regions would have little way to grow

> plants year round, thus they eat/ate more animal foods like lamb and

> yoghurt. But then, I must refer back to the point of the list,

which is

> Weston A. Price and his work for healthy living. Ayurveda may or may

> not jibe with that purpose. Along these lines, I will quote the good

> doctor:

>

> " It will be noted that vitamin D, which the human does not readily

> synthesize in adequately amounts, must be provided by foods of animal

> tissues or animal products. As yet I have not found a single group of

> primitive racial stock which was building and maintaining excellent

> bodies by living entirely on plant foods. I have found in many parts of

> the world most devout representatives of modern ethical systems

> advocating restriction of foods to the vegetable products. In every

> instance where the groups were involved had been long under this

> teaching, I found evidence of degeneration in the form of dental caries,

> and in the new generation in the form of abnormal dental arches to an

> extent very much higher than in the primitive groups who were not under

> this influence. " p. 279 of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by

> Weston A. Price

>

> >* Good point, Deanna. But what is the best definition of science? If

> >Ayurveda was developed from observation and trial & error, and not

> >only from pure theory, then it is perhaps acientific.

> >

> >Cheers,

> >

> >José

> >

> Well, it was a question. Is there research backing the notion that 1)

> this tridoshic system is adequate in explaining differences in peoples,

> and 2) the suggested remedies are adequate to balance out the

> situation? I wonder because, for instance, I see no organ meats listed

> in the foods list for any dosha, yet according to Dr. Price:

>

> " 2. With the remote possibility of egg yolks, butter, cream, liver and

> fish it is manifestly impossible to obtain any amount of vitamin D

> worthy of mention in common foods. " Same book, p. 278

>

> So from the list I, a pitta, can have butter, ice cream and fresh water

> fish (yuck!) for vitamin D, yet if I follow WAPF principles, I will

> generally choose from all choices Prices provides, marine foods being

> superior to lake fish (especially in the modern polluted water age).

> Our foods are generally diminished in nutrients in the modern age. Why

> would I restrict the choices for necessary nutrients further without

> good reason?

>

> That is all. I think to assume Ayurveda as compatible with WAPF

> principles is questionable. Further, it is usually advocated by these

> professors of Ayurveda to seek out a professional Ayurvedic

physician if

> one really wants the lowdown on the foods to eat/avoid, lifestyle

> factors, etc. Is anyone here an Ayurvedic physician?

>

>

> Deanna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>It was not considered bad to eat meat, but nourishing, especially of

>young, hunted animals not killed by poison. Ayurveda became known as

>predominantly vegetarian because of religous dogmas and Hindu

>practitioners, but it was not written that way.

>

>

Thank you for the information, . Interesting. Have the

principles, as " written " been tested and refined over time, or is

Ayurveda a mystical practice of old like astrology? Yoga has been

demonstrated by experimentation to have tangible health benefits. Is

the same true of Ayurvedic medicine?

>It's true, the link to the list of foods I sent was put together by

>Dr. Lad, who is very devout and a vegetarian but I didn't see anything

>offensive. As far as tofu is concerned, WAPF-ers are pretty used to

>editing it out. It was not being pushed as a health-promoting food,

>merely classified by taste. I was just reading Schwarzbein's new book,

>and it's all through her vegetarian recipes, too.

>

>

Nothing was offensive, , it is only strange to see such

differences in recommendations coming from different sources on the same

subject. Surely location and heritage come into play when choosing

foods and other lifestyle factors for health, as Wanita mentioned. I

wonder if such issues are addressed in Ayurveda.

>Re: WAPF principles, it seems in the raw milk campaign that raw milk

>is promoted as an alternative to eating all the organ meats North

>Americans generally find so distasteful. Also, I don't see how the

>recommendations of, say, duck, beef, venison, disqualify organs from

>same animals.

>

I believe WAPF promotes milk AND organ meats, not milk OVER organ

meats. I don't see the foundation steering people away from organ meats

in favor of raw milk, but maybe I have missed something. Besides, many

just don't do well with any dairy. I am just curious as to reasoning

for the choices of foods for doshas in the Ayurvedic system, and how

they differ according to source. What are the specific constituents of

egg yolks, for example, that make them ill suited to pittas? I have not

seen that WAPF has taken a stance on Ayurvedic practices and

recommendations one way or the other. However, I am relatively new to

foundation and may not have the information on it. I am curious how the

system would be evaluated from a WAPF perspective.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> Thank you for the information, . Interesting. Have the

> principles, as " written " been tested and refined over time, or is

> Ayurveda a mystical practice of old like astrology? Yoga has been

> demonstrated by experimentation to have tangible health benefits. Is

> the same true of Ayurvedic medicine?

***It's been practiced for six thousand years. The most traditional

sytem of health in existence. I consider that demonstration by

experimentation. Try it if it intrigues you, and come to your own

conclusion.

> Nothing was offensive, , it is only strange to see such

> differences in recommendations coming from different sources on the

same

> subject. Surely location and heritage come into play when choosing

> foods and other lifestyle factors for health, as Wanita mentioned. I

> wonder if such issues are addressed in Ayurveda.

**The foods are listed according to attributes, not personal

judgements. I'm repeating: individual constitution, consciousness,

current health issues, weather, cycles and season are all factors in

determining one's menu for the day. Ayurveda addresses all this in

grueling minutiae.

> >Re: WAPF principles, it seems in the raw milk campaign that raw milk

> >is promoted as an alternative to eating all the organ meats North

> >Americans generally find so distasteful. Also, I don't see how the

> >recommendations of, say, duck, beef, venison, disqualify organs from

> >same animals.

> >

> I believe WAPF promotes milk AND organ meats, not milk OVER organ

> meats. I don't see the foundation steering people away from organ

meats

> in favor of raw milk, but maybe I have missed something.

** Yes, you have missed something in your will to create conflict. I

feel resentment over taking the time to re-explain and repeat what I

say because my need to spend my time productively doing other things

of interest is unmet. My request is that you read what I wrote above

carefully without the urge to find fault. Then maybe read the WAPF

website.

Besides, many

> just don't do well with any dairy.

**This is one point I find so fascinating, that cow milk/dairy and

wheat are contraindicated/unhealthful for at least 30% of the

population on a *good* day in Ayurveda, meaning, even if they aren't

in a state of imbalance. A person with a water/mucus constitution

predominating is discouraged from eating these two things because of

their heaviness, weight and mucus-promoting properties. Also

specifically the " sticky " quality of the wheat gliadin and how it gums

up the GI tract. This is for anyone born with this constitution or

who has otherwise developed an imbalance in this dosha. This in a

culture that prizes wheat and cow milk. 6000 years ago.

I am just curious as to reasoning

> for the choices of foods for doshas in the Ayurvedic system, and how

> they differ according to source.

**The foods are listed according to attributes, not personal

judgements. According to initial taste, secondary taste and action on

the organism.

What are the specific constituents of

> egg yolks, for example, that make them ill suited to pittas?

**I don't know specific constituents. I know that while egg whites

are light, cool and drying, yolks are heavy, warm and oily. This is

fairly obvious to anyone that makes observations in their kitchen. If

a pitta-predominant person wished to reduce her inborn tendencies

toward inflammation, manipulations, self-aggrandizement and general

aggression, she might consider reducing her consumption of egg yolks,

at least at noon throughout the summer season or otherwise prepare and

serve them in such a way to mitigate their heating properties. Say,

not fried and served up with hot salsa, but boiled, cooled and made

into a salad with cooling herbs/spices.

and I have not

> seen that WAPF has taken a stance on Ayurvedic practices and

> recommendations one way or the other. However, I am relatively new to

> foundation and may not have the information on it. I am curious how

the

> system would be evaluated from a WAPF perspective.

**I wouldn't expect WAPF to take a stance on the subject and wnder why

you would seek one. However, I suspect Sally is familiar with some

Ayurvedic basics as it shows up here and there in Nourishing

Traditions. Especially in that she never cooks honey in any recipe,

soaks nuts, and the Indian-style lentils are tri-doshic.

Ayurveda:

raw dairy

pickled condiments to enhance digestion

homemade yogurt and cheese

bone and marrow broths for healing

healthy fats

know where your food comes from, buy high-quality and locally

eat variety

prepare your own food or have it prepared by someone who loves you

prepare foods in such ways to maximize digestion and assimilation

use food as your primary medicine for optimal health

the similarities continue but my available time does not.

B.

>

[Guest guest]

>** Yes, you have missed something in your will to create conflict. I

>feel resentment over taking the time to re-explain and repeat what I

>say because my need to spend my time productively doing other things

>of interest is unmet. My request is that you read what I wrote above

>carefully without the urge to find fault. Then maybe read the WAPF

>website.

>

>

How utterly rude. You are no doctor of Ayurveda. Why pretend?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I beg your pardon, but I don't see Deanna wanting to create conflict

at all. At worst, she is playing the Devil's Advocate or wanting to

see how different things fit into each other.

José

--- In , Deanna Wagner <hl@s...>

wrote:

>

> >** Yes, you have missed something in your will to create conflict.

I

> >feel resentment over taking the time to re-explain and repeat what

I

> >say because my need to spend my time productively doing other

things

> >of interest is unmet. My request is that you read what I wrote

above

> >carefully without the urge to find fault. Then maybe read the WAPF

> >website.

> >

> >

> How utterly rude. You are no doctor of Ayurveda. Why pretend?

>

>

> Deanna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:33:29 -0400

" Nenah Sylver " <nenah@...> wrote:

> As a non-coffee drinker (though I used to drink it very infrequently

years ago), I had an interesting experience last year with a

chiropractor who loves coffee. He has very expensive equipment to not

only grind, but roast the beans in his home. He maintains that the

jitteriness and other reactions people have to coffee are due to its

being *old*, rather than the intrinsic properties of the bean itself.

>

> Basically, the volatile oils in the roasted coffee bean are thought to

break down after about 30 minutes, which is why he insists on fresh

roasting each cup right before he grinds and perks it.

> I drank about 1/2 cup. It was quite good, and felt different than any

other coffee I've had.

######

Under this scenario I could see myself drinking a cup a day. I saw this

beautiful kitchen the other day that had this very spiffy and expensive

coffee equipment built right over the stove. Fresh made sounds quite

good.

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[Guest guest]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:33:45 -0000

José Barbosa <jcmbarbosa52@...> wrote:

> * Good point, Deanna. But what is the best definition of science? If

> Ayurveda was developed from observation and trial & error, and not

> only from pure theory, then it is perhaps acientific.

How is this for one explanation:

" Those who have watched conventional scientists skillfully weave,

dodge, hedge, or shift their explanations for natural phenomena as new

discoveries come on the horizon are well aware that most scientific fact

is merely what a majority of influential scientists agree on as today's

scientific fact. Examples abound. For instance, in today's classrooms

conventional science students routinely learn that the Aristotelian

physics which replaced giant turtles had to yield to Newtonian concepts,

which in turn had to make way for Einstein's theories. As if that were

not enough, Einstein's teachings have been modified dramatically by

quantum mechanics and string theories, both of which today's scientists

say fit merely a majority of---but not all---cases. As the old time

radio announcer used to say, " Stay tuned! " . "

http://brixman.com/REAMS/reamsconcepts.htm

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" So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

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[Guest guest]

Chris

I have just been reading the Mood Cure by Ross. In it she

talks about the catacholine hormones: dopamine, norepinephrine and

adrenaline. The " cats " make you alert and enthuse you, priming you

to take action. It sounds like you have been using caffeine to make

up for a lack of cat hormones. The lack could have been caused by

excessive caffein intake, or by other things.

The amino acid tyrosine is the ingredient your brain uses to produce

the 3 cat hormones. If you have compromised digestion, could be you

are not absorbing enough tyrosine from your food or your body is

unable to make what it needs.

Supplementing tyrosine could help you come off caffeine. The

tyrosine plan is as follows:

Take 1 capsule of 500mg tyrosine in the morning upon waking.

If you feel no benefit in 30 mins, take a second capsule. If nothing

after 30 mins, take a third.

Repeat mid-morning and mid-afternoon if necessary

Don't take after 3pm as it may interfere with your sleep.

Don't take too many, as it can make you jittery. I find 2 first

thing and 1 mid-morning has a HUGE effect on my energy levels,

concentration and alertness, and I've never been a caffeine addict.

You may need more, but you will find your own levels.

In this section of the book, hypthyroidism is also a common cause of

the withdrawal symptoms you describe. If you would like more info on

that, let me know.

Contraindications:

do not take if you have manic depression, hashimotos thyroiditis,

hyperthyroidism, migraines, melanoma, high blood pressure.

Jo

[Guest guest]

> I have just been reading the Mood Cure by Ross. In it she

> talks about the catacholine hormones: dopamine, norepinephrine and

> adrenaline. The " cats " make you alert and enthuse you, priming you

> to take action. It sounds like you have been using caffeine to make

> up for a lack of cat hormones. The lack could have been caused by

> excessive caffein intake, or by other things.

Jo,

Sounds like Ross uses tyrosine for the same process found

supplemental extra choline works for in metabolic protein types. Compounding

that with 's body types by endocrine gland dominance, I'll go out on a

limb and also say is also likely a thyroid type like me, craving

caffeine, sweets, flour based foods and needing high protein. Thyroid types

have vata predominance too. I take supplemental choline/inositol, still

drink coffee, am more alert and enthusiastic than before adding choline.

Other things could well be that high animal protein, high fat, low carb diet

has been the most obscure and least acceptable diet.

Wanita