Re: My experience with caffeine - fasting

June 28, 2005

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:01:31 -0400

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> I quit coffee for my VCO fast 3 months ago when I had the teaching

> job, and I did allright, and actually felt better bodily in the second

> week, more at peace.

Hey thats great Chris!

> I was underperforming mentally, somewhat,

> probably from the fasting.

I doubt it, but more below.

> But I tried my first cup of coffee soon

> after as a mood booster

Uh oh...

> and then it was no time till I was drinking

> four servings a day again.

Yup, par for the course.

> I would start to crave coffee at lunch

> time but have no access to it, and then get a medium coffee at Dunkin

> Donuts once I left work. Sometimes I would drink a medium coffee

> (which I think is 16 oz?) and then go to bed a couple hours later.

The premier method of breaking old habits and addictions both of the

spirit and body is fasting. Nothing even comes close to that tried and

true method but fasting can be fraught with problems, especially outside

of a spiritual context.

One, and probably most important, is that most people don't know how to

break a liquid fast. The key to maintaining and extending the physical

benefits of a liquid fast is in breaking it properly. Especially when

one is on a short term fast that is long enough to begin to start

healing whatever ails the body (i.e anything over 3 days) but not so

long that the fast alone brings about complete healing.

In that case people need to understand, regardless of how they might

feel, that they are not well, and can't just jump back into their old

ways. To do so is simply to reinvite *in force* all the old habits and

problems. That is, IMO, one of the problems with an emphasis on short

term " detox " fasts longer than three days. More is going on that just

" detox. "

Two, most people don't know what to expect during a liquid fast.

Generally longer fasts will cause the body to retrace its footsteps,

such that the symptoms of old sicknesses will show up. Thus if you had a

problem with your sinuses on and off all your life, then those symptoms

will show up if you fast long enough. Ditto brain fog, or throat issues

(like me) or thyroid, etc. They will be of a much shorter duration but

often quite intense and you will think you are sick or the fast is

causing the problem *if* you don't know what to expect.

One of the most common things on a short term fast is diarrhea,

especially one laced with VCO or one that involves fresh apple juice or

lots of garlic or ginger. All the above will start cleaning things out

in a big way, but often people who don't know what to expect will stop

or pause thinking that there is something wrong.

Once through that phase you will feel like a new person, and you will be,

because you will have detoxed a bunch of crap as a result of that

" healing crisis. " But if you break the fast wrong you will quickly be

back in the same boat.

Three, most people erroneously characterize a fast. They think it is the

equivalent of starvation. They have all these funny ideas that somehow

you are wasting away and damaging yourself and not getting enough of

this or enough of that or whathaveyou. I have addressed this in

previous posts so I won't do so again here.

Four, healing begins but does not end on a fast, which is related to

point one above. So unless you ease your way back into things, and avoid

ALL the things you were having a problem with in the first place, you

are headed for trouble.

You can and probably should reintroduce some things in moderation (like

coffee) just to demonstrate to yourself that you are no longer mastered

by it or its effects, but that is usually WAY down the line, after you

have effected a complete *physical* healing (in your case your adrenals).

Five, one fast doesn't solve everything, its only a beginning. And

really, its a lifetime thing. There is always a place for both feasting

and fasting.

Six most people don't understand, or even believe the impact various

foods have on you, both physically and psychically, but which become

quite clear immediately after a long fast. The Church Fathers are quite

good on this. There is a reason the Orthodox fasts are set up the way

they are.

I found this out after my second long fast. Toward the end I had tons of

energy, loads of mental clarity, tremendous focus and discipline and

unusual creativity. I also noticed that things that troubled me

spiritually simply were not an issue while I was fasting. But oh boy,

once I started eating again I saw clearly where the struggled lay, LOL!.

I had new found strength which was necessary cuz I also had a newfound

awareness.

I wasn't Orthodox then but now I understand why *regular* fasting, and

not just the Lenten season, is a spiritual and not just a physical

necessity.

take care,

============================================================

" So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

(Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith " )

============================================================

June 28, 2005

,

I'd just like to mention that Chris' constitution, specifically his

nervous system, is much more delicate than yours, and fasting, for

him, longer than maybe 24 hours--and that very carefully--is inviting

trouble. Particularly considering the differences in stability--body,

mind and environmental--between the two of you.

But I think this post is very wise and I've come to think lately on

much of the wisdom you've displayed and that it's made itself more

apparent over time. I was thinking recently, for instance, that you

seem to have the most healthful attitude and habits toward diet and

food on this list. Of course, you have more experience than the rest

of us AFAIK, but I wanted to honor that.

Forget I said anything,

B.

> The premier method of breaking old habits and addictions both of the

> spirit and body is fasting. Nothing even comes close to that tried and

> true method but fasting can be fraught with problems, especially outside

> of a spiritual context.

>

> One, and probably most important, is that most people don't know how to

> break a liquid fast. The key to maintaining and extending the physical

> benefits of a liquid fast is in breaking it properly. Especially when

> one is on a short term fast that is long enough to begin to start

> healing whatever ails the body (i.e anything over 3 days) but not so

> long that the fast alone brings about complete healing.

>

> In that case people need to understand, regardless of how they might

> feel, that they are not well, and can't just jump back into their old

> ways. To do so is simply to reinvite *in force* all the old habits and

> problems. That is, IMO, one of the problems with an emphasis on short

> term " detox " fasts longer than three days. More is going on that just

> " detox. "

>

> Two, most people don't know what to expect during a liquid fast.

> Generally longer fasts will cause the body to retrace its footsteps,

> such that the symptoms of old sicknesses will show up. Thus if you had a

> problem with your sinuses on and off all your life, then those symptoms

> will show up if you fast long enough. Ditto brain fog, or throat issues

> (like me) or thyroid, etc. They will be of a much shorter duration but

> often quite intense and you will think you are sick or the fast is

> causing the problem *if* you don't know what to expect.

>

> One of the most common things on a short term fast is diarrhea,

> especially one laced with VCO or one that involves fresh apple juice or

> lots of garlic or ginger. All the above will start cleaning things out

> in a big way, but often people who don't know what to expect will stop

> or pause thinking that there is something wrong.

>

> Once through that phase you will feel like a new person, and you

will be,

> because you will have detoxed a bunch of crap as a result of that

> " healing crisis. " But if you break the fast wrong you will quickly be

> back in the same boat.

>

> Three, most people erroneously characterize a fast. They think it is the

> equivalent of starvation. They have all these funny ideas that somehow

> you are wasting away and damaging yourself and not getting enough of

> this or enough of that or whathaveyou. I have addressed this in

> previous posts so I won't do so again here.

>

> Four, healing begins but does not end on a fast, which is related to

> point one above. So unless you ease your way back into things, and avoid

> ALL the things you were having a problem with in the first place, you

> are headed for trouble.

>

> You can and probably should reintroduce some things in moderation (like

> coffee) just to demonstrate to yourself that you are no longer mastered

> by it or its effects, but that is usually WAY down the line, after you

> have effected a complete *physical* healing (in your case your

adrenals).

>

> Five, one fast doesn't solve everything, its only a beginning. And

> really, its a lifetime thing. There is always a place for both feasting

> and fasting.

>

> Six most people don't understand, or even believe the impact various

> foods have on you, both physically and psychically, but which become

> quite clear immediately after a long fast. The Church Fathers are quite

> good on this. There is a reason the Orthodox fasts are set up the way

> they are.

>

> I found this out after my second long fast. Toward the end I had tons of

> energy, loads of mental clarity, tremendous focus and discipline and

> unusual creativity. I also noticed that things that troubled me

> spiritually simply were not an issue while I was fasting. But oh boy,

> once I started eating again I saw clearly where the struggled lay,

LOL!.

> I had new found strength which was necessary cuz I also had a newfound

> awareness.

>

> I wasn't Orthodox then but now I understand why *regular* fasting, and

> not just the Lenten season, is a spiritual and not just a physical

> necessity.

>

> take care,

>

> ============================================================

> " So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

> (Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the

Sith " )

> ============================================================

June 28, 2005

:

I am jumping into this conversation. Fasting is an issue that really

attracts me, but I don't have a wide experience with that. My longest

fast lasted for five days. I used to fast one day in the week,

Mondays, but I don't do it now. I think you can benefit from short

regular fasts. Longer fasts only if you are really very ill. In this

case, I believe the old adage: If a fast can't heal, then nothing

will. But I would add a " probably " here: ... then nothing probably

will.

, how often do you fast? Tell us a little about your

experiences.

José

> ,

> I'd just like to mention that Chris' constitution, specifically his

> nervous system, is much more delicate than yours, and fasting, for

> him, longer than maybe 24 hours--and that very carefully--is

inviting

> trouble. Particularly considering the differences in stability--

body,

> mind and environmental--between the two of you.

>

> But I think this post is very wise and I've come to think lately on

> much of the wisdom you've displayed and that it's made itself more

> apparent over time. I was thinking recently, for instance, that you

> seem to have the most healthful attitude and habits toward diet and

> food on this list. Of course, you have more experience than the

rest

> of us AFAIK, but I wanted to honor that.

>

> Forget I said anything,

> B.

>

> > The premier method of breaking old habits and addictions both of

the

> > spirit and body is fasting. Nothing even comes close to that

tried and

> > true method but fasting can be fraught with problems, especially

outside

> > of a spiritual context.

> >

> > One, and probably most important, is that most people don't know

how to

> > break a liquid fast. The key to maintaining and extending the

physical

> > benefits of a liquid fast is in breaking it properly. Especially

when

> > one is on a short term fast that is long enough to begin to start

> > healing whatever ails the body (i.e anything over 3 days) but not

so

> > long that the fast alone brings about complete healing.

> >

> > In that case people need to understand, regardless of how they

might

> > feel, that they are not well, and can't just jump back into their

old

> > ways. To do so is simply to reinvite *in force* all the old

habits and

> > problems. That is, IMO, one of the problems with an emphasis on

short

> > term " detox " fasts longer than three days. More is going on that

just

> > " detox. "

> >

> > Two, most people don't know what to expect during a liquid fast.

> > Generally longer fasts will cause the body to retrace its

footsteps,

> > such that the symptoms of old sicknesses will show up. Thus if

you had a

> > problem with your sinuses on and off all your life, then those

symptoms

> > will show up if you fast long enough. Ditto brain fog, or throat

issues

> > (like me) or thyroid, etc. They will be of a much shorter

duration but

> > often quite intense and you will think you are sick or the fast is

> > causing the problem *if* you don't know what to expect.

> >

> > One of the most common things on a short term fast is diarrhea,

> > especially one laced with VCO or one that involves fresh apple

juice or

> > lots of garlic or ginger. All the above will start cleaning

things out

> > in a big way, but often people who don't know what to expect will

stop

> > or pause thinking that there is something wrong.

> >

> > Once through that phase you will feel like a new person, and you

> will be,

> > because you will have detoxed a bunch of crap as a result of that

> > " healing crisis. " But if you break the fast wrong you will

quickly be

> > back in the same boat.

> >

> > Three, most people erroneously characterize a fast. They think it

is the

> > equivalent of starvation. They have all these funny ideas that

somehow

> > you are wasting away and damaging yourself and not getting enough

of

> > this or enough of that or whathaveyou. I have addressed this in

> > previous posts so I won't do so again here.

> >

> > Four, healing begins but does not end on a fast, which is related

to

> > point one above. So unless you ease your way back into things,

and avoid

> > ALL the things you were having a problem with in the first place,

you

> > are headed for trouble.

> >

> > You can and probably should reintroduce some things in moderation

(like

> > coffee) just to demonstrate to yourself that you are no longer

mastered

> > by it or its effects, but that is usually WAY down the line,

after you

> > have effected a complete *physical* healing (in your case your

> adrenals).

> >

> > Five, one fast doesn't solve everything, its only a beginning. And

> > really, its a lifetime thing. There is always a place for both

feasting

> > and fasting.

> >

> > Six most people don't understand, or even believe the impact

various

> > foods have on you, both physically and psychically, but which

become

> > quite clear immediately after a long fast. The Church Fathers are

quite

> > good on this. There is a reason the Orthodox fasts are set up the

way

> > they are.

> >

> > I found this out after my second long fast. Toward the end I had

tons of

> > energy, loads of mental clarity, tremendous focus and discipline

and

> > unusual creativity. I also noticed that things that troubled me

> > spiritually simply were not an issue while I was fasting. But oh

boy,

> > once I started eating again I saw clearly where the struggled lay,

> LOL!.

> > I had new found strength which was necessary cuz I also had a

newfound

> > awareness.

> >

> > I wasn't Orthodox then but now I understand why *regular*

fasting, and

> > not just the Lenten season, is a spiritual and not just a physical

> > necessity.

> >

> > take care,

> >

> > ============================================================

> > " So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous

applause. "

> > (Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of

the

> Sith " )

> > ============================================================

June 28, 2005

Thanks .

The 7-day VCO fast I was following (16 Tbsp of VCO/day, plus lots of

strong lemon/lime water with salt) was supposed to be broken with

broths and soups for a few days, then salads I think, etc, but I

broke it with a huge meal in the evening of the last day that started

with three pieces of toast!

I found that it helped a lot. But I followed up with it totally

wrong, and I'm really not in a better position now than I was before

it.

I did have nothing but diarrhea through the whole thing.

I intend to try it on a regular basis, although I'll keep in mind that

the first week of a new job is never time for a seven-day fast. Duh.

Chris

June 29, 2005

Hmmm, I have lots of health problems that no particular way of eating has

helped. I've never fasted a day in my life. FIVE days straight with NO

FOOD????? That sounds sooooo UNHEALTHY.

Would love more info (in plain terms for a NEWBIE)

Kris

My experience with caffeine - fasting

:

I am jumping into this conversation. Fasting is an issue that really

attracts me, but I don't have a wide experience with that. My longest

fast lasted for five days. I used to fast one day in the week,

Mondays, but I don't do it now. I think you can benefit from short

regular fasts. Longer fasts only if you are really very ill. In this

case, I believe the old adage: If a fast can't heal, then nothing

will. But I would add a " probably " here: ... then nothing probably

will.

, how often do you fast? Tell us a little about your

experiences.

José

June 29, 2005

Hi e:

Can you tell us a little more about you? Maybe also about your health

problems?

Waiting for your response.

José

> Hmmm, I have lots of health problems that no particular way of

eating has helped. I've never fasted a day in my life. FIVE days

straight with NO FOOD????? That sounds sooooo UNHEALTHY.

>

> Would love more info (in plain terms for a NEWBIE)

>

> Kris

>

> My experience with caffeine - fasting

>

> :

>

> I am jumping into this conversation. Fasting is an issue that

really

> attracts me, but I don't have a wide experience with that. My

longest

> fast lasted for five days. I used to fast one day in the week,

> Mondays, but I don't do it now. I think you can benefit from short

> regular fasts. Longer fasts only if you are really very ill. In

this

> case, I believe the old adage: If a fast can't heal, then nothing

> will. But I would add a " probably " here: ... then nothing probably

> will.

>

> , how often do you fast? Tell us a little about your

> experiences.

>

> José

June 29, 2005

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:55:53 -0000

" downwardog7 " <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> ,

> I'd just like to mention that Chris' constitution, specifically his

> nervous system, is much more delicate than yours, and fasting, for

> him, longer than maybe 24 hours--and that very carefully--is inviting

> trouble. Particularly considering the differences in stability--body,

> mind and environmental--between the two of you.

>

> But I think this post is very wise and I've come to think lately on

> much of the wisdom you've displayed and that it's made itself more

> apparent over time. I was thinking recently, for instance, that you

> seem to have the most healthful attitude and habits toward diet and

> food on this list. Of course, you have more experience than the rest

> of us AFAIK, but I wanted to honor that.

>

> Forget I said anything,

> B.

Thank you for your kind comments.

============================================================

" So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

(Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith " )

============================================================

June 29, 2005

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:38:05 -0000

José Barbosa <jcmbarbosa52@...> wrote:

> :

>

> I am jumping into this conversation. Fasting is an issue that really

> attracts me, but I don't have a wide experience with that. My longest

> fast lasted for five days. I used to fast one day in the week,

> Mondays, but I don't do it now. I think you can benefit from short

> regular fasts. Longer fasts only if you are really very ill. In this

> case, I believe the old adage: If a fast can't heal, then nothing

> will. But I would add a " probably " here: ... then nothing probably

> will.

>

> , how often do you fast? Tell us a little about your

> experiences.

>

> José

Hi ,

There is no such thing as jumping into conversations on this list, LOL!

All are welcome.

I normally fast two days a week (Wednesday and Fridays) and for longer

periods four other times during the year. One of those periods involves

mostly liquids (Lent), the other periods are food fasts.

As for my experiences? Well I could take a page out of a particular list

owners book ( a list you just recently joined) and say, " check the

archives! I have covered that many times. " Never mind that

archives suck. Or that there are other people on his list more than

capable of answering questions. Or I could say, as he often does, " pay

one of us to search for you. " But I won't do that to you. I have done a

liquid fast for 40+ days (I wasn't ill) and some shorter ones for three

weeks or so.

I will say however that we have an excellent archive system -

http://www.onibasu.com - check it out sometime.

Here is one from a couple of years back:

http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/25468.html

and another from earlier this year:

http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/66274.html

take care,

============================================================

" So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

(Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith " )

============================================================

June 29, 2005

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:50:56 -0400

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> Thanks .

>

> The 7-day VCO fast I was following (16 Tbsp of VCO/day, plus lots of

> strong lemon/lime water with salt) was supposed to be broken with

> broths and soups for a few days, then salads I think, etc, but I

> broke it with a huge meal in the evening of the last day that started

> with three pieces of toast!

When I was attending college in California, a fellow student of mine

proudly announced after a 13 day fast that he had broken it with a large

pizza!!!!!!!!

> I found that it helped a lot.

Great!

> But I followed up with it totally

> wrong, and I'm really not in a better position now than I was before

> it.

We live and we learn.

> I did have nothing but diarrhea through the whole thing.

With that much VCO, no doubt.

> I intend to try it on a regular basis, although I'll keep in mind that

> the first week of a new job is never time for a seven-day fast. Duh.

LOL! At least not a VCO fast that has you running to the bathroom :-)

The Orthodox calendar gives you ample opportunity to try this stuff on a

regular basis.

You might want to use the weekday fasts to try out coconut milk and

coconut water as the basis for a fast. I saw a website that was

referring to prepackaged unpasteurized coconut water and I think WFN has

unpasteurized coconut milk. Still will get all the oil from the milk but

probably without the acute diarrhea problem. Should you ever be

interested I have lots of suggestions.

take care,

============================================================

" So this is how freedom dies -- to thunderous applause. "

(Senator Padme Amidala in " Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith " )

============================================================

June 29, 2005

--- In , <slethnobotanist@y...>

wrote:

>

> take care,

>

Thanks. I will.

JC

June 30, 2005

Wow, thanks for asking . About 5 ½ years ago (within 2-3 mos after stopping

smoking), I was smacked HARD with Fibromyalgia head to toe 24/7. It includes

Chronic Fatigue. I was first diagnosed with depression in 1990. I have

Scoliosis, Osteoarthritis in my upper back/shoulder blades. One hip is

significantly higher than the other. My weight problem started when I had my

gall bladder removed in '95. I had been really skinny all my life 'til then.

Then I gained 25 lbs a year for the next THREE years and about 8 more total

after that. (started out at 5'9 " , 120 lbs...got to 203). I started Low Carb

2/16/04 at 192.5. Am now about 158 (between there and 161). I am DESPERATELY

searching for the magic bullet (first it was thru herbs & supplements, now it's

thru foods/vitamins) that will make me healthy again! It is soooo extremely

frustrating. That's an understatement really. I've been told that maybe I

should just come to the fact that I am not healthy, I have some life-long

diseases, and I should deal with that. So maybe I should do that. Maybe there

really is no hope. With all the wonderful healthy changes I've made

(food-wise), I don't think I've ever felt the slight bit better from any of it.

I grew up on LOADS of junk food. You should see my mother's freezer (now & when

I grew up)...it's STOCKED with every microwave meal you can imagine. We ate out

at fast-food A LOT. Now my son gets to " benefit " (he thinks) when he's with her

with all that crap. I have to take pain pills and anti-depressants to function

during the day and to get to sleep at night. I do not exercise, I do NOT have

the energy or the strength to do so. Yet, I know, from all I've read (I'm a

self-help book-a-holic) that it would probably help me to feel better. But

then, that's supposed to be what had happened from all these healthy foods too,

and that's been to no avail.

I am a single mom. Just bought my first house in August last year. It's got a

big beautiful yard that I have to take care of and that really kills me (what

was I thinking???). I am now putting in some applications for a second job so I

can afford all this NT food...because I do want to do it right. But I cannot

afford all this stuff. And I don't know where to start.

Well, I'm gonna shutup now. Stop whining. Sorry, hope you're not sorry you

asked!!!

Kris

My experience with caffeine - fasting

Hi e:

Can you tell us a little more about you? Maybe also about your health

problems?

Waiting for your response.

José

June 30, 2005

> With all the wonderful healthy changes I've made (food-wise), I

>don't think I've ever felt the slight bit better from any of it.

Hi Kris

You have my sympathy - it must to tough to stick to all the changes

you've made when you can't see a benefit.

But do stick with it - the changes you make are all for the better

and will certainly help you in the long term. All the years you've

eating rubbish are not going to be reversed in just a few months.

Each change you make is a step in the right direction, and one day

you'll find all the steps combine to make you feel better.

Beware food allergies - as you are on teh GFCFNN list you obviously

recognise some intolerance problems and there may well be more.

>I do not exercise, I do NOT have the energy or the strength to do

>so. Yet, I know, from all I've read (I'm a self-help book-a-holic)

>that it would probably help me to feel better. But then, that's

>supposed to be what had happened from all these healthy foods too,

>and that's been to no avail.

>

> I am a single mom. Just bought my first house in August last

year. It's got a big beautiful yard that I have to take care of and

that really kills me (what was I thinking???).

I struggle with energy levels too, though not as badly as you (no

fybro or CFS). I have just read The Mood Cure by Ross and her

solutions are a big help to me in less than a week. I feel far more

alert and energetic when I take tyrosine, and the 5HTP helps me

sleep. (If you are on med for depression, then please read her book

first and consult your Dr for advice before rushing out to by the

supplements!)

There are foods you can eat to help you get more energy:

fermented foods

bone broths

sprouted seeds

Jo

June 30, 2005

Hello e:

Can I talk to you to-morrow?

See you.

José

> Wow, thanks for asking . About 5 ½ years ago (within 2-3 mos

after stopping smoking), I was smacked HARD with Fibromyalgia head to

toe 24/7. It includes Chronic Fatigue. I was first diagnosed with

depression in 1990. I have Scoliosis, Osteoarthritis in my upper

back/shoulder blades. One hip is significantly higher than the

other. My weight problem started when I had my gall bladder removed

in '95. I had been really skinny all my life 'til then. Then I

gained 25 lbs a year for the next THREE years and about 8 more total

after that. (started out at 5'9 " , 120 lbs...got to 203). I started

Low Carb 2/16/04 at 192.5. Am now about 158 (between there and

161). I am DESPERATELY searching for the magic bullet (first it was

thru herbs & supplements, now it's thru foods/vitamins) that will

make me healthy again! It is soooo extremely frustrating. That's an

understatement really. I've been told that maybe I should just come

to the fact that I am not healthy, I have some life-long diseases,

and I should deal with that. So maybe I should do that. Maybe there

really is no hope. With all the wonderful healthy changes I've made

(food-wise), I don't think I've ever felt the slight bit better from

any of it. I grew up on LOADS of junk food. You should see my

mother's freezer (now & when I grew up)...it's STOCKED with every

microwave meal you can imagine. We ate out at fast-food A LOT. Now

my son gets to " benefit " (he thinks) when he's with her with all that

crap. I have to take pain pills and anti-depressants to function

during the day and to get to sleep at night. I do not exercise, I do

NOT have the energy or the strength to do so. Yet, I know, from all

I've read (I'm a self-help book-a-holic) that it would probably help

me to feel better. But then, that's supposed to be what had happened

from all these healthy foods too, and that's been to no avail.

>

> I am a single mom. Just bought my first house in August last

year. It's got a big beautiful yard that I have to take care of and

that really kills me (what was I thinking???). I am now putting in

some applications for a second job so I can afford all this NT

food...because I do want to do it right. But I cannot afford all

this stuff. And I don't know where to start.

>

> Well, I'm gonna shutup now. Stop whining. Sorry, hope you're not

sorry you asked!!!

>

> Kris

>

> My experience with caffeine - fasting

>

> Hi e:

>

> Can you tell us a little more about you? Maybe also about your

health

> problems?

>

> Waiting for your response.

>

> José

July 1, 2005

Hi e:

I could be wrong but I am under the impression that you need a lot of

rest, first of all. Are you sleeping well these days?

Secondly, can you tell me/us what you ate/drank yesterday at each

meal? I hope this is not embarrasing to you.

Then perhaps some of us will be able to suggest a few possible

(minor) adjustments.

So let us hear from you. Thanks.