Re: Raw milk and chemo (dog)?

[Guest guest]

At 01:16 AM 6/29/05 -0000, you wrote:

>But my dog Raven has osteosarcoma and is currently undergoing

>chemotherapy. It suddenly occurred to me that I have no real idea why

>raw foods are proscribed for those on chemo - I've just been assuming

>it had to do with immunesuppression but you know what they say about

>assumptions.

It was always my understanding, too, that it had to do with

immunosuppression - i.e. people with existing immune response issues should

never do raw dairy without strict supervision and a keen eye to quality

(doesn't help to have raw milk if it's improperly handled to start).

Reasoning being the whole deal about bacteria outcompeting each other, but

immunosuppressed people don't have enough goodies to help that competition

along in the proper fashion.

Not a technical answer, so perhaps a useless one, but I'd go with your (and

her) instincts as well. I'd even go so far as to say that with your

knowledge and expertise, you qualify as strict supervision for her.

MFJ

Ideas are funny that way ... you go and let one loose, and suddenly it's

crashing about the place, bashing up against other peoples' heads.

Somebody oughtta control that. Pesky things, ideas.

[Guest guest]

Hi Christie:

How old is your dog?

How are you counterbalancing the effects of this chemotherapy? Any

homeopathy? Have you ever thought about Alkyrol?

Do you know how and why the cancer developed? Any emotional source?

When I had a dog, I fed him mostly on raw meat and bones, never

dairy. He was fine.

For some personal reasons, however, I had to give him to another

person. He was about 12 when he left our house three years ago. I

told the new " owner " what the dog usually ate and advised that the

diet should be more or less strict. But this man didn't follow my

advice and before one year the dog was dead. I feel a pang saying

this. Maybe the dog missed us, though in general he was a very easy-

going dog and took to everyone. But certainly the wrong diet

(packaged food) had a role in making him die so quickly.

I hope your dog can recover.

José

> I am going to ask this on some dog lists, but I think that I'll

have a

> better chance of getting an answer here.

>

> I have seen the warnings on raw dairy products cautioning people on

> chemo (and the sick, young, immunocompromised, etc) to avoid raw

milk

> products. I've always thought it was ridiculous, especially since my

> raw milk, Organic Pastures, tests out cleaner than pasteurized milk.

>

> But my dog Raven has osteosarcoma and is currently undergoing

> chemotherapy. It suddenly occurred to me that I have no real idea

why

> raw foods are proscribed for those on chemo - I've just been

assuming

> it had to do with immunesuppression but you know what they say about

> assumptions.

>

> Raven is drinking copious amounts of raw milk (Organic Pastures is

> grass fed as well as organic and raw, although I'm not positive that

> they dont' do some seasonal supplementation with grains) and eating

> some raw cheese (some grass fed, some organic, but not all... but it

> is all raw). These are the two foods she most wants, and she wants a

> LOT of them. She'll take some cod liver oil from time to time,

nibbles

> on raw beef and calves' liver but not much, shows minimal enthusiasm

> for most other foods, even other dairy foods such as cottage cheese,

> kefir, and yogurt. What she wants is raw milk, by the gallon.

>

> Any reason anyone can think of for her not to do this? I tend to

want

> to let her eat what she wants, because my dogs have been raw-fed

their

> whole lives, have almost never had grains, and I do trust her

> instincts. I just want to get some feedback on this from people who

> aren't part of the Food Safety Cabal. <G>

>

> Thanks!

>

> Christie

> Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

> Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

> http://www.caberfeidh.com

> http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

>> How old is your dog? <<

Six.

>> How are you counterbalancing the effects of this chemotherapy? Any

homeopathy? Have you ever thought about Alkyrol? <<

I'm on top of this.

>> Do you know how and why the cancer developed? <<

It's a known genetic disorder in my breed, caused by a recessive gene.

>> Any emotional source? <<

I completely and utterly reject the idea that emotions cause cancer.

>> When I had a dog, I fed him mostly on raw meat and bones, never

dairy. He was fine. <<

That's nice. I've been feeding raw meat and bones to my dogs and cats for

over 19 years. Most of them are fine, sometimes bad things happen to

holistic dogs. Life is just funny that way.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com/

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

>> How old is your dog? <<

Six.

>> How are you counterbalancing the effects of this chemotherapy? Any

homeopathy? Have you ever thought about Alkyrol? <<

I'm on top of this.

>> Do you know how and why the cancer developed? <<

It's a known genetic disorder in my breed, caused by a recessive gene.

>> Any emotional source? <<

I completely and utterly reject the idea that emotions cause cancer.

>> When I had a dog, I fed him mostly on raw meat and bones, never

dairy. He was fine. <<

That's nice. I've been feeding raw meat and bones to my dogs and cats for

over 19 years. Most of them are fine, sometimes bad things happen to

holistic dogs. Life is just funny that way.

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com/

http://doggedblog.com

[Guest guest]

> That's nice. I've been feeding raw meat and bones to my dogs and cats for

> over 19 years. Most of them are fine, sometimes bad things happen to

> holistic dogs. Life is just funny that way.

>

Christie,

Do you feed raw eggs? Got a story from this last week I'll call the miracle

of raw egg. Our 15 yr. old springer/lab mix came up with total inability to

get his hind legs to get himself up about 4 days ago. Has never been lame

except few mornings last winter. Was his first winter inside every night.

Farm dog that disliked in the house. Has been in 90's since then. He's not a

raw dog but he is more carniverous than our mastiff. Wouldn't eat his dog

food but did eat leftover pork chop. Other than that I was trying to keep

him hydrated adding Concentrace mineral drops to his water. Next day he

barely had energy to lift his head and hadn't eliminated or urinated for 2

days. Was thinking what other protein can I give him? Gave him 4 raw eggs

from neighbor's free range chickens. Ten minutes later he pulls himself up,

stands there proudly a second and walks about 5 feet to the other side of

the walkway and takes a small, constipated dump, tries to urinate without

lifting leg but doesn't. Fed him 3 more raw eggs 2 more times that day. That

night he went profusely with both. He still has a little trouble getting up,

can make it up and down back steps but not up wider distanced front steps.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

What an awesome story! Thanks for sharing!

Kris

Christie,

Do you feed raw eggs? Got a story from this last week I'll call the miracle

of raw egg. Our 15 yr. old springer/lab mix came up with total inability to

get his hind legs to get himself up about 4 days ago. Has never been lame

except few mornings last winter. Was his first winter inside every night.

Farm dog that disliked in the house. Has been in 90's since then. He's not a

raw dog but he is more carniverous than our mastiff. Wouldn't eat his dog

food but did eat leftover pork chop. Other than that I was trying to keep

him hydrated adding Concentrace mineral drops to his water. Next day he

barely had energy to lift his head and hadn't eliminated or urinated for 2

days. Was thinking what other protein can I give him? Gave him 4 raw eggs

from neighbor's free range chickens. Ten minutes later he pulls himself up,

stands there proudly a second and walks about 5 feet to the other side of

the walkway and takes a small, constipated dump, tries to urinate without

lifting leg but doesn't. Fed him 3 more raw eggs 2 more times that day. That

night he went profusely with both. He still has a little trouble getting up,

can make it up and down back steps but not up wider distanced front steps.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

Glad you enjoyed it, Kris! Tank must have known you wrote as he just walked

in here, which he rarely does. He's getting better everyday. Came into

kitchen after supper, his usual last night. Daughter let him out this

morning, did something quick inside and he wandered out to the back pasture

and made it up the steeper front stairs with encourgement after.

Wanita

> What an awesome story! Thanks for sharing!

>

> Kris

>

>

> Christie,

>

> Do you feed raw eggs? Got a story from this last week I'll call the

> miracle

> of raw egg. Our 15 yr. old springer/lab mix came up with total inability

> to

> get his hind legs to get himself up about 4 days ago. Has never been lame

> except few mornings last winter. Was his first winter inside every night.

> Farm dog that disliked in the house. Has been in 90's since then. He's not

> a

> raw dog but he is more carniverous than our mastiff. Wouldn't eat his dog

> food but did eat leftover pork chop. Other than that I was trying to keep

> him hydrated adding Concentrace mineral drops to his water. Next day he

> barely had energy to lift his head and hadn't eliminated or urinated for 2

> days. Was thinking what other protein can I give him? Gave him 4 raw eggs

> from neighbor's free range chickens. Ten minutes later he pulls himself

> up,

> stands there proudly a second and walks about 5 feet to the other side of

> the walkway and takes a small, constipated dump, tries to urinate without

> lifting leg but doesn't. Fed him 3 more raw eggs 2 more times that day.

> That

> night he went profusely with both. He still has a little trouble getting

> up,

> can make it up and down back steps but not up wider distanced front steps.

>

> Wanita