RE: Cat Allergies

[Guest guest]

That's it. I'm taking a nap. This one should have gone to the NT list,

too. Slinking away with head down..

But, hey! If anyone has ideas on why we seem to no longer be allergic to

cats after following NT, I'd love to hear from you.

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Cat Allergies

DH Mark and I are intensely allergic to cats. I get reactions just standing

next to people who have cat hair on their clothing. We went over to friends

this weekend and dreaded it because the grandmother has cats free-range in

her house. Usually, her clothes are covered in cat hair as is her

furniture. We were there a good 3 hours - they were kind and put the cats

away in a bedroom. I suddenly realized, no reactions!! No water blisters

on my eyes even with pulling cat hairs out of my strawberry shortcake!! No

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

<I remembered a thread on here about other people

experiencing NO allergic reactions after having consumed kefir for a period

of time? I can't think of what else may have contributed to this glorious

event.

Do you know what those cats are being fed? On the rawpaws list, quite a

number of people say that cats fed an all raw meat diet will not provoke

allergic reactions in people. I can't recall the details, but it may have

something to do with the composition of the saliva that's spread over the

fur during grooming.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

Her cats are definitely not fed raw - they get your basic processed canned

diet. They're not even allowed outside to hunt their own supply of raw.

I'm going to have to join RawPaws. I keep hearing great things about it.

Thanks!

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Do you know what those cats are being fed? On the rawpaws list, quite a

number of people say that cats fed an all raw meat diet will not provoke

allergic reactions in people. I can't recall the details, but it may have

something to do with the composition of the saliva that's spread over the

fur during grooming.

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[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Rawpaws is really great. If you do adopt a cat, you'll have a

treasure-trove of info and support for the process.

Meanwhile, re: your experience, I don't know enough to say, but it occurs to

me that maybe the saliva/dander problem is only linked to kibble-fed cats.

I imagine canned cat food has much less in the way of grains or starches.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

Re: Cat Allergies

I don't know enough to say, but it occurs to

me that maybe the saliva/dander problem is only linked to kibble-fed cats.

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,

I think this is exactly right! Some friends who are raw foods people have two

cats. They feed the cats ground up raw meat with raw veggies. When I visited

them many years ago, the cats had the most beautiful coats of any animals I'd

ever seen. Not only that, I was amazed that I could pet the cats without

sneezing or watering in the eyes. I surmised that this was because the cats were

fed properly and there was nothing indigestible that needed to be released

through their skin.

Nenah

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Nenah & .

Oh I do need to check into this further. Thanks so much. I can only

imagine my daughter's joy at being able to have a cat. Then again, I can

only imagine my 8 parrots faces when they see it stalk them.. Good

information!!!

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

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,

I think this is exactly right! Some friends who are raw foods people have

two cats. They feed the cats ground up raw meat with raw veggies. When I

visited them many years ago, the cats had the most beautiful coats of any

animals I'd ever seen. Not only that, I was amazed that I could pet the cats

without sneezing or watering in the eyes. I surmised that this was because

the cats were fed properly and there was nothing indigestible that needed to

be released through their skin.

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

8 parrots! Wow! Cat heaven. <g> Did you see the documentary called " The

Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill " ? It's a wonderful film.

Just to encourage you further (and to brag a bit about my own cat): Hugo is

an ordinary grey and black tabby, but on the raw diet he has grown into a

large, lean and very handsome fellow with a soft, soft coat. His teeth are

shiny clean (no brushing needed), his poop doesn't smell and he has a great

disposition--loving and easy-going. He hasn't yet needed to see a vet for

any reason and I fully expect him to live well into his twenties--which is

what healthy cats normally do.

Good luck!

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

I've always been allergic to cats and grass pollens but seem much less

so since consuming for a year all the fermented foods and fats

recommended here. It's quite peculiar: During the winter, as now, I

didn't feel well at all -- exhausted, abdominal distension, spacey --

but this spring I've had no allergic reactions. Nothing. My saving

grace maybe?

In the past touching a cat or a blade of grass this time of year would

give me hives and my eyes would get very itchy. This year, nothing.

Curious..

~Robin

[Guest guest]

and Nenah..

I phoned my friend last night to ask what they fed the cats. Science Diet

kibble. I thought they fed canned. So, there goes that theory. Back to

wondering about kefir and the NT diet having had a positive effect on

allergies after all..hmmm...

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

-----Original Message-----

,

I think this is exactly right! Some friends who are raw foods people have

two cats. They feed the cats ground up raw meat with raw veggies. When I

visited them many years ago, the cats had the most beautiful coats of any

animals I'd ever seen. Not only that, I was amazed that I could pet the cats

without sneezing or watering in the eyes. I surmised that this was because

the cats were fed properly and there was nothing indigestible that needed to

be released through their skin.

Nenah

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[Guest guest]

Robin,

Ditto with my husband and grass. He's been miserable every single spring

for all 41 years of his life. This year - nada, zippo, zilch. The cars are

covered with pollen from the pine trees, the weather forecaster talks daily

about high pollen count and my normally

drippy-sneezy-wheezy-sleepy-runny-eyed dh (what a picture, eh??) is not

affected. I join you in curious..

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

In the past touching a cat or a blade of grass this time of year would

give me hives and my eyes would get very itchy. This year, nothing.

Curious..

~Robin

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[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I wonder if the reason for you both, and also Robin, is that with a better

diet, you have less overall stress on the your systems.

Think of it this way, each person has a stress threshold. Total stress under

that and you cope. It goes over, and things start going wrong. Say you have

a grass allergy and a food intolerance to potatoes. As long as things are

running smoothly, you don't actually get affected by either one. But all of

a sudden there's some work stress and your total load increases. THEN you

sneeze when you touch grass and get hives when you eat potatoes. Stop eating

potatoes, and the total load is lowered again, under your threshold, and the

hives go away and you stop sneezing.

You start eating better, less stress, and you can cope with being round cats

again.

What do you think?

Deb

RE: Cat Allergies

Robin,

Ditto with my husband and grass. He's been miserable every single spring

for all 41 years of his life. This year - nada, zippo, zilch. The cars

are

covered with pollen from the pine trees, the weather forecaster talks

daily

about high pollen count and my normally

drippy-sneezy-wheezy-sleepy-runny-eyed dh (what a picture, eh??) is not

affected. I join you in curious..

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

In the past touching a cat or a blade of grass this time of year would

give me hives and my eyes would get very itchy. This year, nothing.

Curious..

~Robin

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/29/2005 6:13:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

deb@... writes:

You start eating better, less stress, and you can cope with being round cats

again.

What do you think?

Deb

A newbie chiming in --

if we are anything like dogs (okay, just go with me ), that theory is

completely possible. I had a newfie that was extremely allergic to eggs and

bees. She'd swell up so much she'd look like a huge Shar-Pei. But that was

back when she was on kibble. Since she had so many allergies, I switched her

diet over to raw and grainless, and her allergies either ceased completely or

weren't as dramatic. Those bee stings didn't threaten her life, they just

made the area swell a great deal, but at least it didn't mean a mad dash to the

emergency room. She was even able to tolerate the stray grainy treat that

someone might slip her. That old addage " you are what you eat " is true -- or

was that saying from Schoolhouse Rock ;-)

Just sharing

Anita

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Hi, Deb

I think stress certainly depletes the body of its ability to function

properly, but I think that food plays an even bigger role. I have the same

amount of stress (if not more) than a year ago, yet no allergies. What

changed was the food. I'm spending a little time researching it and have

found some interesting sites confirming that eating fermented foods and

probiotics are extremely helpful in helping the body to defend itself from

allergens, etc. Here's an example of an interesting page detailing various

bacteria:

" L. johnsonii is an important probiotic because it survives passage through

the digestive tract. It adheres to intestinal cells, blocking the

colonization of potentially pathogenic bacteria. L. johnsonii stimulates

important mechanisms of the body's natural immune defences, demonstrating

the ability to produce an increase in the phagocytic activity of peripheral

blood monocytes and granulocytes.

Studies have shown that when fermented products containing this organism

were eaten, colonization of the small intestine by E. coli was reduced

significantly. In addition, a single oral dose of L. johnsonii was

sufficient to suppress all aspects of colonization and persistence of C.

perfringens and may be a valuable tool in controling the endemic disease of

necrotic enteritis common in the poultry industry. C. perfringens can cause

lesions in chicks and food poisoning in humans. Preliminary studies have

shown that L. johnsonii may also have a protective effect against

Campylobacter jejuni. L. johnsonii has shown not only to help stimulate the

immune system but also to help with lactose intolerance and traveller's

diarrhea. "

http://www.innvista.com/health/nutrition/biotics/proborg.htm

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

RE: Cat Allergies

You start eating better, less stress, and you can cope with being round cats

again.

What do you think?

Deb

[Guest guest]

> DH Mark and I are intensely allergic to cats. I get reactions just

> standing next to people who have cat hair on their clothing.

:

:

> I suddenly realized, no reactions!!

My sister was allergic to cats until she went gluten free. (NT diet as

well, but the gluten was the biggie). She believes that eliminating

her 'major' allergen has given her body a chance to deal effectively

with 'minor' allergens, like cats. Her severe, lifelong asthma is gone

too, even with 2 indoor cats that don't eat NT (yet).

All the best,

Jan

[Guest guest]

RE: Cat Allergies

and Nenah..

I phoned my friend last night to ask what they fed the cats. Science Diet

kibble. I thought they fed canned. So, there goes that theory. Back to

wondering about kefir and the NT diet having had a positive effect on

allergies after all..hmmm...

=====================

Sharon,

In this talk about cat allergies, and also gluten and casein intolerance, what

strikes me is how many factors play into someone's responses.

Regarding the cat allergies: you either nip the allergy at the source, the cat

(with its food), or strengthen your response (with good fats, adrenal support to

combat stress, etc.).

Regarding the gluten and casein intolerance: you can avoid these substances;

and/or get rid of the candida (if you have it) that lowers gut efficiency;

and/or elminate the Heliobacter pylori, which by the way has been found in the

stomach of practically everyone with ulcers and subsequently ruins digestion....

Do you see a pattern here? Everything's so interrelated. There are many microbes

that interfere with digestion and create stress. Stress lowers immune resistance

to microbes and also interferes with digestion. Inadequate nutrition contributes

to stress and lowered immune response. And I'm sure there are other factors I

haven't mentioned.

So I find it interesting -- but frustrating sometimes. At least for me, it's not

simple. There are so many approaches. And they are all correct.

Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Hello Nenah!

Oh, I could never do without my raw goat milk. Goat milk Casein is A2, not

the A1 of cow milk, so I think I'm doing much better with allergies having

made that switch, and especially since discovering and being addicted to

kefir. I'm leaning towards that as having played a big part in my lack of

allergic response to those hairy little beasties...

I'm also thinking that part of this is due to my pH because I'm definitely

eating more alkaline than ever before.

It is frustratingly complex, isn't it, at times..

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

-----Original Message-----

Regarding the gluten and casein intolerance: you can avoid these

substances; and/or get rid of the candida (if you have it) that lowers gut

efficiency; and/or elminate the Heliobacter pylori, which by the way has

been found in the stomach of practically everyone with ulcers and

subsequently ruins digestion....

Do you see a pattern here? Everything's so interrelated. There are many

microbes that interfere with digestion and create stress. Stress lowers

immune resistance to microbes and also interferes with digestion. Inadequate

nutrition contributes to stress and lowered immune response. And I'm sure

there are other factors I haven't mentioned.

So I find it interesting -- but frustrating sometimes. At least for me, it's

not simple. There are so many approaches. And they are all correct.

Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

That is SO awesome Sharon!!!! What a wonderful testimony. I was gonna look to

see if there were many testimonies on kefir on the net for me & a friend of mine

(who's never had it).

Kris

Cat Allergies

DH Mark and I are intensely allergic to cats. I get reactions just standing

next to people who have cat hair on their clothing. We went over to friends

this weekend and dreaded it because the grandmother has cats free-range in

her house. Usually, her clothes are covered in cat hair as is her

furniture. We were there a good 3 hours - they were kind and put the cats

away in a bedroom. I suddenly realized, no reactions!! No water blisters

on my eyes even with pulling cat hairs out of my strawberry shortcake!! No

wheezing and heavy congested feeling in my chest. No itchy eyes or crawling

skin. No sneezing. I looked at Mark and he appeared just fine. With

shock, on the drive home, we both compared our amazement at not having

reacted! I thought I remembered a thread on here about other people

experiencing NO allergic reactions after having consumed kefir for a period

of time? I can't think of what else may have contributed to this glorious

event. The downside is, , 9, is now requesting a cat.

-Sharon, NH

[Guest guest]

Oh I'm so glad you sent it here!

Thanks!

Kris

Cat Allergies

That's it. I'm taking a nap. This one should have gone to the NT list,

too. Slinking away with head down..

But, hey! If anyone has ideas on why we seem to no longer be allergic to

cats after following NT, I'd love to hear from you.

-Sharon, NH

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>.Think of it this way, each person has a stress threshold. Total

stress under

that and you cope. It goes over, and things start going wrong. Deb>>>>>>>

Sure, stress, but also the liver gets overwhelmed with work; processing

chemicals, hormones, allergens and other day to day interlopers (including

gluten/casein for some of us.) There's just only so much the poor liver can

do and so we get things like hives, fatigue or other allergic reactions.

Even acne..

As I was just saying, when I quit gluten for a year, the elevated liver

enzymes I'd had mysteriously for about 15 years went away and I finally had

a normal liver panel. Because it's not struggling with the gluten I'm

guessing that my liver is better able to do its other jobs. Maybe I'm

getting better after all. :-) ~Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin, and also Sharon. (replying to 2 posts)

Seems like I was a bit simplistic there, and didn't explain clearly.

When I say stress, I don't just mean being a bit busy at work, or what

people typically mean when they say they're stressed. I'm using it as a

catch-all phrase for any kind of stressor, on any part of the body, mental

or physical.

So, Robin, that includes stress on the liver when it has too much to do.

And Sharon, maybe I should have said " You start eating better --> less

stress " (not *plus* less stress).

So I do agree with both of you. I was meaning to illustrate how changing

your diet can affect what seems to be a respiratory allergy, and that it's

not really so starnage that it happened.

Clear as Pascalite now ? ;-)

Deb

-----Original Message-----

>>>>>>>.Think of it this way, each person has a stress threshold. Total

stress under that and you cope. It goes over, and things start going wrong.

Deb>>>>>>>

Robin replied: Sure, stress, but also the liver gets overwhelmed with

work; processing

chemicals, hormones, allergens and other day to day interlopers (including

gluten/casein for some of us.) There's just only so much the poor liver can

do and so we get things like hives, fatigue or other allergic reactions.

Even acne..

>>>>>>> You start eating better, less stress, and you can cope with being

round cats

again. Deb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sahron replied: I think stress certainly depletes the body of its ability

to function

properly, but I think that food plays an even bigger role. I have the same

amount of stress (if not more) than a year ago, yet no allergies.

[Guest guest]

Deb,

Absolutely clear and I do appreciate the feedback on this. Some major

turnarounds in health and body function have been evident with my husband

(IBS) and son (Autism) using NT, but my own non-reactive episode with the

cat is the first time I've noticed a major change for me. Thanks for

offering good insights, Deb!

-Sharon, NH

Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

-----Original Message-----

So I do agree with both of you. I was meaning to illustrate how changing

your diet can affect what seems to be a respiratory allergy, and that it's

not really so starnage that it happened.

Clear as Pascalite now ? ;-)

Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

You didn't clarify what made the allergies disappear -- I assume Bee's

diet? How long have you been on the diet? The allergies disappeared

gradually?

Thanks, T

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> > I think not allowing the cat to sleep with me will be the hardest

> > thing for me to do. He is my teddy bear!!!

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> > - T

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