RE: Want to get pregnant? Don't eat soy!

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On 6/23/05 5:19 PM, the Muses inspired Quick to write:

> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7559

>

> Would-be mums told to avoid soya

>

> Women trying to conceive should consider not consuming soya for the few

> days around ovulation, according to a UK researcher. Her study shows a

> compound found in soya causes human sperm in a dish to ³pop their caps²

> prematurely, rendering them useless. But it remains unclear whether

> eating soya has any actual effect on fertility.

> <snip>

Hmmmm.... They eat a lot of soy in China. Infertility is not the problem

there!

YR

[Guest guest]

They don't eat nearly the amount of soy that we are led to believe. Also

the majority of the soy is fermented therefore very different from the

highly processed soy junk that is now added to everything now in the SAD

diet.

Also, infertility has not been a problem for them in the past but I would be

interested to see if the rates have gone up along with the change from

traditional diets.

Blessings,

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[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Rathbone

Hmmmm.... They eat a lot of soy in China. Infertility is not the problem

there!

YR

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--- In , Rathbone <yvonr@e...>

wrote:

> On 6/23/05 5:19 PM, the Muses inspired Quick to write:

>

> > http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7559

> >

> > Would-be mums told to avoid soya

> >

> > Women trying to conceive should consider not consuming soya for

the few

> > days around ovulation, according to a UK researcher. Her study

shows a

> > compound found in soya causes human sperm in a dish to ³pop their

caps²

> > prematurely, rendering them useless. But it remains unclear

whether

> > eating soya has any actual effect on fertility.

> > <snip>

>

>

> Hmmmm.... They eat a lot of soy in China. Infertility is not the

problem

> there!

>

> YR

Maybe they do, but I also think they use it largely to feed their

animals.

And when they eat soya, it is fermented. Fermented soya has lost a

great deal of its poisons, so it is said.

JC

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--- Stump <rstump@...> wrote:

> They don't eat nearly the amount of soy that we are led to believe. Also

> the majority of the soy is fermented therefore very different from the

> highly processed soy junk that is now added to everything now in the SAD

> diet.

This may not be true any more.

China (and most of the Asia-Pacific) is now consuming humongous amounts of soy.

See this recent report in the BBC -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4603729.stm

And I don't think they are traditionally fermenting it - most of it is

industrially

processed soy.

I think what has happened is that they used to consume small quantities of soy

in the

past and most of it was fermented and traditionally prepared.

However, when the big business soy industry in the US wanted to " sell " soy

products to

the American public as a health food, they decided to tell them that it's been

consumed

in large quantities for thousands of years in China and Asia-Pacific.

So the Chinese thought like - " Gee, everyone is saying that we have been eating

large

amounts of this stuff for thousands of years, so it must be true.

After all, they know more about us than we do !

So lets consume all this soy, lets import it from other countries ! "

> Also, infertility has not been a problem for them in the past but I would be

> interested to see if the rates have gone up along with the change from

> traditional diets.

True !

And I have often said that the Chinese are not exactly the last word in health.

They have typically short stature, bald early, and now-a-days, most Chinese have

pretty

bad teeth, too.

Also, one must wonder if all this soy that is being fed to their livestock and

poultry,

could have something to do with the various rounds of bird flu they've had !

-Pratick

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[Guest guest]

Exactly! Again we go back to the traditional way they ate not what they are

doing now. Now everyone is being scammed by the major corporations.

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[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Pratick Mukherjee

True !

And I have often said that the Chinese are not exactly the last word in

health.

They have typically short stature, bald early, and now-a-days, most Chinese

have pretty

bad teeth, too.

Also, one must wonder if all this soy that is being fed to their livestock

and poultry,

could have something to do with the various rounds of bird flu they've had !

-Pratick

[Guest guest]

Unless it is raised organically, soybeans require *TONS* of chemicals

to grow a minimally profitable crop. You've heard of Round Up Ready

soybeans that can withstand large applications of glyphosate (Round

Up) ... now we've got Asian soybean rust to use fungicides against.

I think even before Asian soybean rust, though, soy tended to require

fungicides while growing.

It's been shown that feeding lots of soy to farm animals does not

enhance their health. I can see where chickens would get something

like a " flu " from eating too much soy, even if only due to the

chemicals used on the beans while growing them.

I also wonder how much " collateral damage " is done to farm animals

when modern farm chemicals are used near them. I mean, I have had

mosquito spray on the highway make me feel like I had the flu for

about a week afterward. What must it do to chickens?

I didn't understand when I first heard from one banker/farmer that he

had made his " contribution to beans. " He is into cattle now. I

understand now why he said it that way. Cattle mean less

risk...more profit than soybeans. Way more sustainable, too,

especially if you do anything close to MIG (Management Intensive

Grazing).

> Also, one must wonder if all this soy that is being fed to their

livestock and poultry,

> could have something to do with the various rounds of bird flu

they've had !

>

> -Pratick

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