RE: My nasty job (was Commercial Lard vs. Veg. Oil )

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In a message dated 2/22/05 9:04:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, rbjr@...

writes:

> In a couple of weeks I'm going to respond to a question that was asked of me

> a while back about detoxes I have been doing over the past three years. I

> have some photographic evidence of what a lifetime of exposure to

industrial

> chemicals can do to your body. Perhaps your clean and appropriate diet

will

> keep your body detoxed as you go, but then again, the level of exposure you

> are describing below is a pretty heavy insult to your system.

____

Also, I have some gut issues and a root canaled tooth that I believe to be

harboring the focus of a systemic infection. About a year and a half ago, I was

covered in eczema from my fingers to shoulders on both arms, a large patch on

my side, and the tops of my thighs. The eczema started immediately after I

had two root canals in the worst teeth of a mouthful of vegan-induced tooth

decay. For a time I also had chronic conjunctivitis during the same period.

I was able to fix most of these problems, but now my eczema is resurfacing

again. I'm afraid that the assault on my skin topically is going to weaken my

defense against whatever systemic problem I've been successfully holding back.

I just realized I have to toenail's with toenail fungus, which might be

evidence of that, although I think it's from being in work boots all day and

having

stuff drop on my toes, that caused damage to my toenails.

When I first started this job, for 6-8 weeks I was sneezing constantly and I

was waking up with bloodshot and crusty eyes every morning. Even my mom

started sneezing uncontrollably just from my dirty clothes being home. I was

having some breathing problems too, but it got better fast. But just because my

body has temporarily adapted to that stuff, doesn't mean it isn't there! All

that means to me is that I've forced my body to stop defending itself against a

constant assault of nasty crap.

I'd be interested to see the photos and read about your detoxes.

The lead man in my shop doesn't smoke, and his lungs are awful. Five years

ago the doctor told him if he stayed in his job his lungs would have about

seven years to them. Every year the doctor tells him his lungs are getting a

lot

worse and he has to quit his job and get something else.

He said that the " fly ash " we put in the concrete is the residue from the

insides of smoke stacks. Awesome.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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Argh! I just posted privately to Marlakins about thyroid and fungal

issues that can cause high cholesterol. I should have posted to the

list.

Doug Kaufmann says that fungal infections are much more common than

most doctors acknowledge. He says that certain types of fungus live

in the soil, and that people can be exposed to them when the soil is

disturbed.

Now, I believe that fungi of many types are unavoidable. But if the

thyroid is suppressed or you're deficient in zinc...or other

things...then fungi can thrive.

You mentioned several types of fungus:

Toenail fungus

Eczema

Crusty eyes

Extreme or long-term stress can zap your zinc and suppress your

thyroid. You seem to have been enduring a lot of stress from your

job.

The tooth problems are also a challenge to your immune system.

Check out these web sites:

http://www.knowthecause.com

http://www.yourhealthmatters.tv

http://www.hsrmagazine.com/articles/4b1monolog.html?

wts=20050222042029 & hc=18 & req=Kaufmann

Supportive nutrition is good, but if I were you, I would take some

antifungal measures, too.

HTH

> In a message dated 2/22/05 9:04:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

rbjr@n...

> writes:

>

> > In a couple of weeks I'm going to respond to a question that was

asked of me

> > a while back about detoxes I have been doing over the past three

years. I

> > have some photographic evidence of what a lifetime of exposure

to

> industrial

> > chemicals can do to your body. Perhaps your clean and

appropriate diet

> will

> > keep your body detoxed as you go, but then again, the level of

exposure you

> > are describing below is a pretty heavy insult to your system.

> ____

>

> Also, I have some gut issues and a root canaled tooth that I

believe to be

> harboring the focus of a systemic infection. About a year and a

half ago, I was

> covered in eczema from my fingers to shoulders on both arms, a

large patch on

> my side, and the tops of my thighs. The eczema started immediately

after I

> had two root canals in the worst teeth of a mouthful of vegan-

induced tooth

> decay. For a time I also had chronic conjunctivitis during the

same period.

>

> I was able to fix most of these problems, but now my eczema is

resurfacing

> again. I'm afraid that the assault on my skin topically is going

to weaken my

> defense against whatever systemic problem I've been successfully

holding back.

> I just realized I have to toenail's with toenail fungus, which

might be

> evidence of that, although I think it's from being in work boots

all day and having

> stuff drop on my toes, that caused damage to my toenails.

>

> When I first started this job, for 6-8 weeks I was sneezing

constantly and I

> was waking up with bloodshot and crusty eyes every morning. Even

my mom

> started sneezing uncontrollably just from my dirty clothes being

home. I was

> having some breathing problems too, but it got better fast. But

just because my

> body has temporarily adapted to that stuff, doesn't mean it isn't

there! All

> that means to me is that I've forced my body to stop defending

itself against a

> constant assault of nasty crap.

>

> I'd be interested to see the photos and read about your detoxes.

>

> The lead man in my shop doesn't smoke, and his lungs are awful.

Five years

> ago the doctor told him if he stayed in his job his lungs would

have about

> seven years to them. Every year the doctor tells him his lungs are

getting a lot

> worse and he has to quit his job and get something else.

>

> He said that the " fly ash " we put in the concrete is the residue

from the

> insides of smoke stacks. Awesome.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion?

It is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of them

> make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion,

> which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear

the sight of

> the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they

pray

> ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those

> who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 2/23/05 12:28:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Wow. Learn something horrible every day. There's no way to wet the ash

> before you're exposed to it?

____

It is wet, and I'm not directly exposed to it, except as mixed in the conrete

in small amounts. But the next day all the concrete's hard. I imagine I

inhale a pretty enormous amount of concrete every day. With scraping and steel

wolling the forms, sweeping, etc. Steel wool releases a bit of dust

necessarily close to my face, and scraping the pans we put on the rises of steps

creates

an enormous amount of dust that is necessarily close to my face. And of

course, sweeping just puts it all right up in the air.

I think the quanitites of heavy metals are probably tiny, but, of course,

cumulative over time.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 2/23/05 12:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mfjewett@... writes:

> While I won't go Deanna's route and help you find a new job, that's up to

> you, but really. Sheesh. Have the toxins invaded your brain so much

> already?

____

I think so.

_____

> Besides, as Deanna noted, we can't get any good leg pics until they look

> purty again. So c'mon, already. Next thing you know, we'll all be

> suggesting you go to work for WalMart instead.

____

They're not covered in rashes or anything. But they do have some lasting

scars from the job that probably won't go away, at least not for a long time.

If

you want to resign yourself to silent introspection like others have done in

this crowd, you at least can't help but utter " Ouch! "

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

Chris-

>He said that the " fly ash " we put in the concrete is the residue from the

>insides of smoke stacks. Awesome.

Wow. Learn something horrible every day. There's no way to wet the ash

before you're exposed to it?

-

[Guest guest]

At 12:21 PM 2/23/05 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Chris-

>

>>He said that the " fly ash " we put in the concrete is the residue from the

>>insides of smoke stacks. Awesome.

>

>Wow. Learn something horrible every day. *snip*

>

>-

And y'all wondered why I got so depressed at the first post.

really. Ya know?

Think of it this way. For a year of working in this truly toxic *in all

ways* job - how many years will it take you to repair the damage?

Makes the " eternal suffering " quip take on new meaning, don't it?

While I won't go Deanna's route and help you find a new job, that's up to

you, but really. Sheesh. Have the toxins invaded your brain so much

already?

Besides, as Deanna noted, we can't get any good leg pics until they look

purty again. So c'mon, already. Next thing you know, we'll all be

suggesting you go to work for WalMart instead.

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

[Guest guest]

>Think of it this way. For a year of working in this truly toxic *in all

>ways* job - how many years will it take you to repair the damage?

>Makes the " eternal suffering " quip take on new meaning, don't it? <snip>

>

>MFJ

>If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

>

When I find myself in times of trouble

Mother mary comes to me

Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

And in my hour of darkness

She is standing right in front of me

Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

Let it be, let it be.

Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

~ The Beatles

[Guest guest]

At 12:10 PM 2/23/05 -0600, you wrote:

>>Think of it this way. For a year of working in this truly toxic *in all

>>ways* job - how many years will it take you to repair the damage?

>>Makes the " eternal suffering " quip take on new meaning, don't it? <snip>

>>

>>MFJ

>>If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

>>

>

>When I find myself in times of trouble

>Mother mary comes to me

>Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

>And in my hour of darkness

>She is standing right in front of me

>Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.

>Let it be, let it be.

>Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

>~ The Beatles

>

>Deanna

*THUD*

Deanna, will you be my acolyte? I mean, if can have one, why can't

I? I just think it'd be so cool to have one of me very own ...

*wanders off humming Over the Rainbow*

*Picks up speed, hoping to escape the room before she falls off her chair

laughing again*

That can get soooooo painful after a while, ya know? The bruises an' all

....

MFJ

If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

[Guest guest]

>*THUD*

>

>Deanna, will you be my acolyte? I mean, if can have one, why can't

>I? I just think it'd be so cool to have one of me very own ...

>

>*wanders off humming Over the Rainbow*

>

>*Picks up speed, hoping to escape the room before she falls off her chair

>laughing again*

>

>That can get soooooo painful after a while, ya know? The bruises an' all

>...

>

>

>

>MFJ

>If I have to be a grownup, can I at least be telekinetic too?

>

Well, since you are *THE* Garden Goddess (aka. concerned Mother to

<snort>), perhaps I can be deaconess of the eggplant or

something. Is Anton Prince of the Locusts or Cicada King??? I

suppose it must be the former, or we might have testosterone territorial

disputes on our hands.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

>They're not covered in rashes or anything. But they do have some lasting

>scars from the job that probably won't go away, at least not for a long time.

If

>you want to resign yourself to silent introspection like others have done in

>this crowd, you at least can't help but utter " Ouch! "

>

>Chris

>

I'm sure they're lovely chops, just please do slap your face and find

better work. We all hate to think of your brilliance wasted, and at

such a young age. Take 's advice, drink some coffee, um, er,

whatever, and get the heck outta there, dude. Post your resume to the

files section and we can all take a whack at it and get you on your way

to " Clear Skies, " hee hee, if Bush has his way. Truly, I'll offer what

I can.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi

> Also, I have some gut issues and a root canaled tooth that I

> believe to be

> harboring the focus of a systemic infection. About a year

> and a half ago, I was

> covered in eczema from my fingers to shoulders on both arms,

> a large patch on

> my side, and the tops of my thighs. The eczema started

> immediately after I

> had two root canals in the worst teeth of a mouthful of

> vegan-induced tooth

> decay. For a time I also had chronic conjunctivitis during

> the same period.

Ah. So much comes clear. I have not been on the list long enough to have

known that you are a recovering Vegan. It sounds like you really got the

worst of it from years of improper eating. It also sounds like your body is

trying to detox its way out of your problems.

And I like your construct of your root canals as the _focus_ of body wide

infection. I'm sure not an expert in this but I had been independently

coming to the same conclusion. Removal of the teeth seems to be an option

but I suspect, as you seem to imply, that the teeth are not the cause of the

disease, rather they become a hot point of a larger body imbalance.

>

> I was able to fix most of these problems, but now my eczema

> is resurfacing

> again. I'm afraid that the assault on my skin topically is

> going to weaken my

> defense against whatever systemic problem I've been

> successfully holding back.

Yes.

> I just realized I have two toenail's with toenail fungus,

> which might be

> evidence of that, although I think it's from being in work

> boots all day and having

> stuff drop on my toes, that caused damage to my toenails.

Might be more of that focus thing.

>

> When I first started this job, for 6-8 weeks I was sneezing

> constantly and I

> was waking up with bloodshot and crusty eyes every morning.

> Even my mom

> started sneezing uncontrollably just from my dirty clothes

> being home. I was

> having some breathing problems too, but it got better fast.

> But just because my

> body has temporarily adapted to that stuff, doesn't mean it

> isn't there! All

> that means to me is that I've forced my body to stop

> defending itself against a

> constant assault of nasty crap.

I agree.

>

> I'd be interested to see the photos and read about your detoxes.

I'll get to it when I have time after my shoulder surgery on Tuesday. Major

rotator cuff damage from exercising improperly over the past three years.

Expensive lesson.

>

> The lead man in my shop doesn't smoke, and his lungs are

> awful. Five years

> ago the doctor told him if he stayed in his job his lungs

> would have about

> seven years to them. Every year the doctor tells him his

> lungs are getting a lot

> worse and he has to quit his job and get something else.

>

> He said that the " fly ash " we put in the concrete is the

> residue from the

> insides of smoke stacks. Awesome.

The construction industry is a fascinating thing. At this stage of the game

it's mostly the small companies and contractors who do the most abuse to

themselves. There's no money or margin to pay for the types of protection

you need to work with toxic materials. So you just dive in. It's a

masculine issue, too. I'm tough enough to handle it.

The big companies typically pay for the protection and safety and proper

disposal of chemicals because they are forced to by OSHA or they will be

shut down. I remember a safety shut down when I was working on the ATT

building in Atlanta. The costs to the combined companies on the job were

over a million dollars a day. The fines were inconsequential -- it was the

money that was tied up in the job and the way the contracts were structured

that caused the real financial damage.

Ron

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In a message dated 2/23/05 5:31:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@...

writes:

> Take 's advice, drink some coffee, um, er,

> whatever, and get the heck outta there, dude

____

Coffee, maybe (I do! Too much, thanks to this job!). The " whatever, "

nah... anxiety attacks, heart failure: counter-productive.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/24/05 11:36:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rbjr@...

writes:

> And I like your construct of your root canals as the _focus_ of body wide

> infection. I'm sure not an expert in this but I had been independently

> coming to the same conclusion. Removal of the teeth seems to be an option

> but I suspect, as you seem to imply, that the teeth are not the cause of

the

> disease, rather they become a hot point of a larger body imbalance.

_____

I think focal infections in teeth are not the cause of themselves, but do

become essentially the " cause " of systemic infections and are a permanent

obstacle to achieving optimal health. Tooth removal is an option but must be

done

with the proper procedure (removal of the periodontal ligament and the first few

mm of bone), and there is some experimentation with using laser to root out

the infections in the dentin tubules that root canals DO NOT AND CAN NOT get

rid of.

I had two root canals and have had one removed. Upon removal, my throat

nearly closed up, and my heart started racing like I was on drugs, and I saw

fireworks behind my eyes. I was scared to death to have my wisdom tooth taken

out

in the same procedure, but it's removal produced no such effect.

_____

> The big companies typically pay for the protection and safety and proper

> disposal of chemicals because they are forced to by OSHA or they will be

> shut down. I remember a safety shut down when I was working on the ATT

> building in Atlanta. The costs to the combined companies on the job were

> over a million dollars a day. The fines were inconsequential -- it was the

> money that was tied up in the job and the way the contracts were structured

> that caused the real financial damage.

____

Our company is gung-ho about safety. They just had us watch a video on skin

burns and rashes from wet concrete, by the way, on Tuesday. It didn't cover

form oil though. I suspect we have a long way to go to making true safety, but

they have been putting a lot of effort, given the limited resources they have

as a small company (well, subsidiary of a giant one, but essentially

self-sufficient), towards improving safety.

Chris

____

" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian