Re: POLITICAL: Religion & Science don't mix (wasHaving Babies/DNR orders)

[Guest guest]

You can't really debate science vs. religion though,

there are two completely different paradigms at work. - Heidi Jean

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Tell that to the Young Earth Creationists! How intellectually honest is

it to use a set of books as a standard, and then go and try to have your

" observations " match what the writings say? With all due respect to

people of all or no faiths, science is an attempted explanation of the

workings of some aspect of our universe, whereas religion concerns the

supernatural. So Heidi is correct, they do not and should not mix.

History bears this out time and again.

Deanna

" Oh, my dear Kepler, how I wish that we could have one hearty laugh

together! " - from a letter by Galileo Galilei

[Guest guest]

>Tell that to the Young Earth Creationists! How intellectually honest is

>it to use a set of books as a standard, and then go and try to have your

> " observations " match what the writings say? With all due respect to

>people of all or no faiths, science is an attempted explanation of the

>workings of some aspect of our universe, whereas religion concerns the

>supernatural. So Heidi is correct, they do not and should not mix.

>History bears this out time and again.

>

>Deanna

Oh, Deanna ... you would LOVE Neal son! Read Quicksilver ...

it's a fun romp through the Reformation era, tells both sides rather well,

I thought. The definition of " Science " is that you believe only what

you can prove. The definition of " Faith " is belief in that which you

cannot prove. Hence they are diametric opposites. There are scientists

who have a deep faith and people of faith who love science, but still,

the two don't mix. Kinda like mixing " Art " and " Technology " ... the folks

who do Art need technology to create the pigments, but the things that

make Art work are different from what makes Technology work.

Heidi Jean

The trouble with the world is that the

stupid are cocksure and the

intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand

[Guest guest]

[Helga] Oh, Deanna ... you would LOVE Neal son! Read Quicksilver

....it's a fun romp through the Reformation era, tells both sides rather

well,I thought.

[DMW] Okay, twist my arm, I will.

[Glutenatorship] The definition of " Science " is that you believe only what

you can prove. The definition of " Faith " is belief in that which you

cannot prove. Hence they are diametric opposites. There are scientists

who have a deep faith and people of faith who love science, but still,

the two don't mix. Kinda like mixing " Art " and " Technology " ... the folks

who do Art need technology to create the pigments, but the things that

make Art work are different from what makes Technology work.

[DMW] And the faith that you cannot prove in, say, Trinitarian

Christianity is for real. No logic can give evidence to such an idea as

3 in one and one in 3. And I won't even confound it further than that,

yet it is illogical in essence. If others want to pick up this torch,

then so be it. I just wanted to note that not only has religion no

business in science, that the converse is also true.

Deanna

" ...We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father and the Son. " ~ from the Nicene Creed

[Guest guest]

>Helga] Oh, Deanna ... you would LOVE Neal son! Read Quicksilver

>...it's a fun romp through the Reformation era, tells both sides rather

>well,I thought.

>

>[

>[Glutenatorship] The definition of " Science " is that you believe only what

>you can prove. The definition of " Faith " is belief in that which you

>cannot prove. Hence they are diametric opposites. There are scientists

>who have a deep faith and people of faith who love science, but still,

>the two don't mix. Kinda like mixing " Art " and " Technology " ... the folks

>who do Art need technology to create the pigments, but the things that

>make Art work are different from what makes Technology work.

Oh gads, now I'm confused ... are " Helga " and " her Glutenatorship " the

SAME person or DIFFERENT people? .... is this like

the 3 in 1 only brought down to human level? I'll never get to sleep now ...

time for some kefir-beer!

Heidi Jean

The trouble with the world is that the

stupid are cocksure and the

intelligent are full of doubt. -Bertrand

[Guest guest]

[Helga T. Glutenator] Oh gads, now I'm confused ... are " Helga " and

" her Glutenatorship " the SAME person or DIFFERENT people? .... is this

like the 3 in 1 only brought down to human level? I'll never get to

sleep now ... time for some kefir-beer!]

[Loyal Subject] <in a nervous, groveling tone> Your worship <curtsy>,

as I understand it, your Glutenatorship has indeed been elevated to

demigod status. But I admit forgetting what the " T. " in your royal

pseudonym stands for. <kisses sacred sorghum breadstick, then quickly

retreats bowing, so as not to get whacked in the head with it>

Deanna

[Guest guest]

At 08:26 AM 12/6/04 -0600, you wrote:

>

>[Helga T. Glutenator] Oh gads, now I'm confused ... are " Helga " and

> " her Glutenatorship " the SAME person or DIFFERENT people? .... is this

>like the 3 in 1 only brought down to human level? I'll never get to

>sleep now ... time for some kefir-beer!]

>

>[Loyal Subject] <in a nervous, groveling tone> Your worship <curtsy>,

>as I understand it, your Glutenatorship has indeed been elevated to

>demigod status. But I admit forgetting what the " T. " in your royal

>pseudonym stands for. <kisses sacred sorghum breadstick, then quickly

>retreats bowing, so as not to get whacked in the head with it>

>

>Deanna

NOTE to Suze:

HTG lovingly embossed on that Photoshopped cape ...

MFJ

Putting it in our hands gives us so much hope. ~C. Masterjohn

[Guest guest]

>[Loyal Subject] <in a nervous, groveling tone> Your worship <curtsy>,

>as I understand it, your Glutenatorship has indeed been elevated to

>demigod status. But I admit forgetting what the " T. " in your royal

>pseudonym stands for. <kisses sacred sorghum breadstick, then quickly

>retreats bowing, so as not to get whacked in the head with it>

[HTG] Ah, now I can go back to carousing and gossiping and harassing mortals

and all that other stuff demigoddesses are supposed to do, and

I even know how to make my tagline ...

Heidi [HJ] [HTG]

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 21:34:15 -0600

Deanna <hl@...> wrote:

> Deanna

>

> " ...We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

> who proceeds from the Father and the Son. " ~ from the Nicene Creed

>

Actually he proceeds only from the Father, Augustinian interpolations

not withstanding :-)

" Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through

a deeper factual analysis. "

Murray Rothbard

" Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side.

Pork is the other white meat; beef is what’s for dinner;

and a day without pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is

like a day without sunshine. "

Brad Edmonds