Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi , Give me a call (I misplaced your phone no.) Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Hi Bil, m> I am planning on building a new pad device. What is your opinion on m> using a 4 mhz carrier, amplitude modulated with the proper m> frequencies? Bedini and others have used around 4 mhz, some m> saying that it has better body penetration then 27 mhz. m> Also how is it going on the other project we talked about? m> m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi , It's hard to say. Ken Uzzell has had exceptionally good results with his 250kHz (carrier, modulated with audio freqs) plasma tube device for 7 years. Almost no one reports their results using an EMEM, 27MHz, 4MHz, etc. so how will we ever know? And in some cases it may be the type of plasma tube they're using, distance from the tube accuracy of the freqs, the proper freqs for the exact condition being treated, etc. Way too many other variables besides the carrier freq. I've heard of no good evidence that the energy from an EMEM doesn't penetrate the entire body. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Hi Bil, m> I am planning on building a new pad device. What is your opinion on m> using a 4 mhz carrier, amplitude modulated with the proper m> frequencies? Bedini and others have used around 4 mhz, some m> saying that it has better body penetration then 27 mhz. m> Also how is it going on the other project we talked about? m> m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't see the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there plasma tubes that can put out 250kHz with a visible glow? Peace, deenie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Hi Deenie, Plasma tubes can easily light up using voltage oscillating at 43Khz, but if you have an EMEM this is usually not possible. Who makes the Rife1 and which type is it? (EMEM, R/B, etc.) The Green Rife (no longer available) runs at 250kHz (the high voltage carrier which lights the tube) Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... DM> My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't see DM> the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there DM> plasma tubes that can put out DM> 250kHz with a visible glow? DM> Peace, deenie DM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Hi Bil, A guy named Roy, his biz name is Photon Light and is located in Canada. I bought it on eBay. It consists of a dedicated PC with a big card inside (beefy heatsink) and a small aluminum suitcase which has the plasma tube mounted in it. The software is a program called Geny-2, a DOS program. The plasma tube is a cylinder about 3/4 inch outside diameter and the glass portion is about 9 inches overall length. It is filled with argon gas. Roy builds them and sells them on eBay. He says to be within 4 feet of the tube for treatment. I try to get as close as I can, about 18 inches. I noticed that in the CAFL that some ailments go way beyond, frequencywise, what this tube can apparently handle. It seems to peter out in the low 40's KHz. At least I can't see any visible light. I wonder if there's any usable output if nothing can be seen? What determines the upper limit of frequency capability of a plasma tube? Peace and light, deenie =================================================== Hi Deenie, Plasma tubes can easily light up using voltage oscillating at 43Khz, but if you have an EMEM this is usually not possible. Who makes the Rife1 and which type is it? (EMEM, R/B, etc.) The Green Rife (no longer available) runs at 250kHz (the high voltage carrier which lights the tube) Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... DM> My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't see DM> the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there DM> plasma tubes that can put out DM> 250kHz with a visible glow? DM> Peace, deenie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 I have run plasma tubes at 11,780,000 Hz using a ham radio transmitter and antenna tuner. Loyd http://www.royalrife.com Re: New Pad Device > My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't see > the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there plasma tubes that can > put out > 250kHz with a visible glow? > Peace, deenie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hi Deenie, The reason that it doesn't light up above ~40kHz is because there isn't enough voltage (high voltage transformers can only handle a certain range of frequencies). It drops down as the freq goes up, until there isn't enough to light the tube. Sure, you may get some effect at 50kHz or so with the tube not lit. Best not to depend on getting results. You can use a frequency generator with electrodes to run any high frequency you want (with the right FG). And you can use a mathematical formula to find the lower freq which will contain the harmonic of the high freq you want to run with your plasma. Someone just gave me the formula using scalar mathematics (extremely simple using a scientific calculator, which can even be done on-line if you don't have one). I didn't copy down the instructions correctly. Maybe someone else here knows about this. The advantage of this particular formula is that you don't (supposedly) lose any power when using a plasma with the much lower frequency. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... DM> Hi Bil, DM> A guy named Roy, his biz name is Photon Light and is located DM> in Canada. I bought it on eBay. It consists of a dedicated DM> PC with a big card inside (beefy heatsink) and a small aluminum suitcase which DM> has the plasma tube mounted in it. The software is a program called Geny-2, DM> a DOS program. The plasma tube is a cylinder about 3/4 inch outside DM> diameter and the glass portion is about 9 inches overall length. It is filled with DM> argon gas. Roy builds them and sells them on eBay. He says to DM> be within 4 feet of the tube for treatment. I try to get as close as DM> I can, about 18 inches. I noticed that in the CAFL that some ailments DM> go way beyond, frequencywise, what this tube can apparently handle. DM> It seems to peter out in the low 40's KHz. At least I can't see any DM> visible light. I wonder if there's any usable output if nothing can be seen? DM> What determines the upper limit of frequency capability of a plasma DM> tube? DM> Peace and light, deenie DM> =================================================== DM> Hi Deenie, DM> Plasma tubes can easily light up using voltage oscillating at DM> 43Khz, but if you have an EMEM this is usually not possible. DM> Who makes the Rife1 and which type is it? (EMEM, R/B, etc.) DM> The Green Rife (no longer available) runs at 250kHz (the high DM> voltage carrier which lights the tube) DM> Bil DM> PC 1000 DM> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator DM> http://magpulser.com DM> Mammoth Lakes, CA DM> DM> mailto:magpulser@... DM>> My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't see DM>> the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there DM>> plasma tubes that can put out DM>> 250kHz with a visible glow? DM>> Peace, deenie DM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Building a pad device at 4 Mhz. I too am working on this, I have found just as Bedini did. You must be able to control the carrier and modulation frequencies within 1.5 Hz. The hard part is in order to view harmonics at 11.780 Mhz you must be able to modulate at up to a couple Hundred Kiliohertz. (132Khz seems a sweet spot)I am finding it easier to just use one harmonic down from the fundamental and chop the signal. On my spectrum analyzer that is around 8.224 Mhz. There is another strong one around 2.7Hhz. I have taken a Ramsey ORP amplifier kit and modifed it to run at around 30 watts while being driven from a B & K 4040a freqency generator. , How have you come along on this project? Perhaps we could share some info. A.J. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hi Bil, I have made up a scalar calculator and posted it at http://www.royalrife.com/lists.html . Jeff Sutherland has verified that it works correctly. http://www.royalrife.com Re: Re: New Pad Device > Hi Deenie, > > The reason that it doesn't light up above ~40kHz is because there > isn't enough voltage (high voltage transformers can only handle a > certain range of frequencies). It drops down as the freq goes up, > until there isn't enough to light the tube. > > Sure, you may get some effect at 50kHz or so with the tube not > lit. Best not to depend on getting results. > > You can use a frequency generator with electrodes to run any high > frequency you want (with the right FG). And you can use a > mathematical formula to find the lower freq which will contain > the harmonic of the high freq you want to run with your plasma. > > Someone just gave me the formula using scalar mathematics > (extremely simple using a scientific calculator, which can even > be done on-line if you don't have one). I didn't copy down the > instructions correctly. Maybe someone else here knows about this. > > The advantage of this particular formula is that you don't > (supposedly) lose any power when using a plasma with the much > lower frequency. > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > mailto:magpulser@... > > DM> Hi Bil, > DM> A guy named Roy, his biz name is Photon Light and is located > DM> in Canada. I bought it on eBay. It consists of a dedicated > DM> PC with a big card inside (beefy heatsink) and a small aluminum > suitcase which > DM> has the plasma tube mounted in it. The software is a program called > Geny-2, > DM> a DOS program. The plasma tube is a cylinder about 3/4 inch outside > DM> diameter and the glass portion is about 9 inches overall length. It is > filled with > DM> argon gas. Roy builds them and sells them on eBay. He says to > DM> be within 4 feet of the tube for treatment. I try to get as close as > DM> I can, about 18 inches. I noticed that in the CAFL that some ailments > DM> go way beyond, frequencywise, what this tube can apparently handle. > DM> It seems to peter out in the low 40's KHz. At least I can't see any > DM> visible light. I wonder if there's any usable output if nothing can be > seen? > DM> What determines the upper limit of frequency capability of a plasma > DM> tube? > DM> Peace and light, deenie > DM> =================================================== > > DM> Hi Deenie, > > DM> Plasma tubes can easily light up using voltage oscillating at > DM> 43Khz, but if you have an EMEM this is usually not possible. > > DM> Who makes the Rife1 and which type is it? (EMEM, R/B, etc.) > > DM> The Green Rife (no longer available) runs at 250kHz (the high > DM> voltage carrier which lights the tube) > > DM> Bil > > DM> PC 1000 > DM> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > DM> http://magpulser.com > DM> Mammoth Lakes, CA > DM> > > DM> mailto:magpulser@... > > DM>> My Rife1 unit's plasma tube konks out around 43kHz. At least I can't > see > DM>> the purple glow at any higher frequency. Are there > DM>> plasma tubes that can put out > DM>> 250kHz with a visible glow? > DM>> Peace, deenie > > DM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hi A.J., Right now I am just gettings some parts together to do it. I am not convinced you need much higher then 12 khz modulation as per what Dr. MacLeod said. I view the 4 mhz as just a medium to carry the modulated signal better into the body where it is essentially demodulated. Using direct pad contact I expect to use very little RF power of around 250 milliwatt. > > > Building a pad device at 4 Mhz. > > I too am working on this, I have found just as Bedini did. > You must be able to control the carrier and modulation frequencies within 1.5 Hz. The hard part is in order to view harmonics at 11.780 Mhz you must be able to modulate at up to a couple Hundred Kiliohertz. (132Khz seems a sweet spot)I am finding it easier to just use one harmonic down from the fundamental and chop the signal. On my spectrum analyzer that is around 8.224 Mhz. > There is another strong one around 2.7Hhz. I have taken a Ramsey ORP amplifier kit and modifed it to run at around 30 watts while being driven from a B & K 4040a freqency generator. > > , How have you come along on this project? > Perhaps we could share some info. > > A.J. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Bil, U R Soooo right. Due to inductance of ignition coil, slow build up of current & flux density within one half cycle is so low & there is not enough voltage generated under low flux condition. Also core losses are much higher @ high frequencies. Time available in one half cycle gets lower & lower as frequency rises. At lower frequencies, problem is reverse. There is so much time available in one half cycle, current & flux density builds up maximum, limited only by winding resistance. & core saturation occurs. Driver transistor may get burnt @ low frequencies due to this. gesi ========================================= Bil Green wrote: > Hi Deenie, > > The reason that it doesn't light up above ~40kHz is because there > isn't enough voltage (high voltage transformers can only handle a > certain range of frequencies). It drops down as the freq goes up, > until there isn't enough to light the tube. > > Sure, you may get some effect at 50kHz or so with the tube not > lit. Best not to depend on getting results. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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