Re: Coconut milk and meat

[Guest guest]

Connie,

WildernessFamilyNaturals.com

TropicalTraditions.com

health food store

B.

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:55:11 -0000, Connie <connie@...> wrote:

>

>

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> >

> > I have used a lot of the different oils and I also like the WFN

> oil.

> > Right now I have the TT oil because I ran out of WFN and the TT

> was

> > at the HFS so I bought it.

>

> Excuse my ignorance, but what is WFN, TT and HFS?

> Thanks,

> Connie H.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Carol-

>~~~They have two versions - centrifugal and fermented. Is one better than

>the other, as far as you know?

Nutritionally, I don't know, though all else being equal centrifuged and

completely unheated is better, but gustatorily, there's no question

whatsoever that the centrifuged oil tastes much, much better.

- "

There was some discussion of this recently on the coconut oil group and the

consensus was that both are heated to some degree - the centrifuged oil gets

heated when going through the machine. Some people are trying to create a

method where the oil doesn't get heated at all, but haven't been successful yet.

Fermentation is the old-fashioned, natural method of making coconut oil. The

heat is to remove the water so that the oil doesn't go rancid.

While some feel the centrifuged tastes better, it's definitely not unanimous.

:-)

Steph

[Guest guest]

> >>Thanks, Carol. I bought it at the ranch.

>

> ~~~You can get them at a ranch? I'm confused....maybe I've lost track

> of the thread.

Carol and ,

Muchos gracias for all the information concerning coconut products. I

shall seek out WFN locally, as shipping costs increase with weight. Do

they sell retail? I am in need of coconut oil and only have seen that

nasty Spectrum product in stores (my opinion from experience with it).

The WFN website gives me a headache with all those flashing words.

Yikes they need a better design! Anyhoo, yes Carol, I purchased my TT

coconut cream when I picked up my meat. These farmers have a cute store

front with a few goodies like NT, Maker's Diet and a few items for

sale. I think I had seen TT mentioned here so I figured I'd try it. It

is such a joy to have y'alls experience to help wade through the

propaganda and find good products.

I was clueless Dr. Mercola had religion on his agenda. All I know is he

flip flops often on nutrition. Of course, we all learn and change and

grow, but this article threw me for a loop. It appears profit as a

middleman is his true following, as he plays different sides against

each other. Paleolithic foods: were they lean and low in saturate fat?

See the excerpt below.

Deanna

http://www.mercola.com/2003/oct/18/paleo_diet.htm

Based upon scientific research examining the types and quantities of

foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate, the foundation of " The Paleo

Diet " is lean meat, including ostrich and bison as well as organ meats,

seafood, fresh fruit and non-starchy vegetables. The plan is broken down

into three levels, which allow varying numbers of " open " meals per week.

Dr. Cordain includes many practical tips, such as what to eat when

eating out, along with anecdotes, recipes and an extensive bibliography.

This book provides many valuable insights in how to eat in a way that

prevents modern diseases.

Some disagree with Dr. Cordain's assertion that saturated fat causes

heart disease. You can review Uffe Ravnskov's " The Cholesterol Myths " ,

as well as Fallon and Enig's " Nourishing Traditions " for contrary opinions.

[Guest guest]

Steph-

>There was some discussion of this recently on the coconut oil group and

>the consensus was that both are heated to some degree - the centrifuged

>oil gets heated when going through the machine. Some people are trying to

>create a method where the oil doesn't get heated at all, but haven't been

>successful yet.

Heated how much, though? What I've heard is that it doesn't top 80

degrees, but that could be wrong of course.

>While some feel the centrifuged tastes better, it's definitely not

>unanimous. :-)

Really? I've yet to hear from anyone who prefers the flavor of the TT

fermented oil to that of the COS/WFN centrifuged stuff.

-

[Guest guest]

>>Hmmm, I thought that no heat was used by TT. I recently bought some

directly from them and it tastes like coconut (which I personally

like). I did not notice any tastes or odors other than coconut.<<

~~~I haven't had TT, but I didn't think heat was used either. (I was thinking

of ordering some a while back.) So, when I heard it was heated, I checked and

it is " Low-level heated only " , according to the Mercola site.

I've been using NOW foods coconut oil, and I think is delicious. It tastes

like coconut and nothing else. (It's really good mixed with carob powder.....or

plain, for that matter.) It's $6.99 for 12 oz. at IHerb, so slightly less

expensive than the Wilderness Family version, which is a little less than TT.

But there is no major, widely known site extolling it's virtues. However,

according to NOW it's cold pressed, which would lead me to believe no heat is

used. I think I may just stick with NOW. How do we know what we can believe at

web sites and at least NOW claims it's not heated and it's delicious and less

money. (Call me a skeptic and cheap skate, if you like!) If someone sees that

I'm missing something, let me know. Here's their write-up on it. (Remember, I

pay less for it than the price advertised by NOW):

http://store./nowcatalog/1725.html

:-)

Carol

[Guest guest]

>>I was clueless Dr. Mercola had religion on his agenda. All I know is he

flip flops often on nutrition.

Deanna<<

~~~Lately, I've become disenchanted with Mercola, but to be fair I don't see

that he flip flops on nutrition. He's been ardent about lots of natural fats,

good meats and lots of veggies for years. None of that has changed. (I've been

reading his web site and newsletter for several years.....since about 1996, I

think.) He's only added the 'metabolic typing' philosophy to his 'bag of

tricks'. And, I think he's sort of onto somthing there.....or I should say the

'inventor' of that idea was onto something. I think they'll get that more

perfected. They're trying to categorically sort us into too few 'slots' IMO, so

far.

I think you might be misunderstanding the article about the Paleo Diet and

Cordain. Grass-fed and wild animal meat is low in saturated fat. Feeding

cattle corn and soy, (as commercial ranchers do), completely changes their fat

content. Almost all the omega 3 fat is gone and replaced by a saturated fat,

(and other fats), that is abnormal to the animal. (And, of course is different

from the saturated fat found in things like coconut oil.)When you eat wild

animals or grass-fed beef, you get lots of omega 3, (almost as much as in fish),

and there is very little saturated fat, much like fish. So basically, a Paleo

diet really is low in saturated fat, and there is no disagreement between

Mercola and Cordain.

But, what really has made me more than a little disgusted with Mercola is that

he's falling into the same 'groove' that these internet alternative doctors all

seem to fall into eventually - commercialism/greed. I'm just about ready to

cancel the newsletter and only use the site for searching about isolated health

subjects, if that. I'm really tired of his constant pushing us to buy this or

that. He never used to do that at all. (He didn't sell anything for years.)

Now he's even getting into those interminably long advertising letters, (like so

many use), promising prizes/rewards/trips etc. if you order something for

" free " . (Reports, but there is always more to it than that.) It's cheap and

disgusting to put it mildly, IMO. I really didn't expect this of him, and I

think he's beginning to ruin his reputation.

He HAS flip-flopped about a few non-food related items, though, and I think is

making some errors. He used to push natural progesterone cream per Dr. Lee's

books. Then he decided using the recommended amount was depositing too much

hormone in womens' bodily organs, so he reduced the amount to 1/16 of a

teaspoon. Recently I did a search at his site about it, because I remembered

reading it helped protect against bone loss, and was thinking of starting to use

it again. Now he's saying it just " doesn't work " . But, I started using it

again anyway, and it stopped my hot flashes, so I'm going to continue with it at

the 1/16th teaspoon level. (Now that I've used more than that and built myself

back up again.) I know it works, so I think he's wrong about that and some

other things I've read there. (Of course, we all know that no one is

infallible. It's only the blatant and ugly commercialism that's bothering me.)

Carol

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>I

>shall seek out WFN locally, as shipping costs increase with weight. Do

>they sell retail?

I don't think they sell retail, unfortunately.

>The WFN website gives me a headache with all those flashing words.

>Yikes they need a better design!

No kidding! It's godawful!

>I was clueless Dr. Mercola had religion on his agenda.

Well, he doesn't often evangelize on the subject, but he is very religious,

and some of his materials (on EFT, for example) get into it pretty

heavily. Also, when he was looking to fill a medical position at his

clinic awhile ago, he said that only religious people (maybe only religious

people of a particular faith, but I don't remember) should apply. From

what I've seen, I suspect he doses at least some of his patients fairly

heavily with religion.

I had more unpleasant experiences with the owner of Tropical Traditions on

his mailing list, though. That guy bans all mention of evolution, for

example, so it's not possible to discuss what a species-appropriate diet

might be except in terms of creationism, which is not very productive.

>All I know is he

>flip flops often on nutrition.

I wouldn't say he flip-flops -- that would suggest that he waffles back and

forth between opposing positions. He does revise his views fairly

regularly, but IMO that's a good thing, because it's because he's willing

to learn and change his mind instead of insisting that whatever he says is

the one true dogma, chiseled in stone for all eternity. Also, the vast

majority of his revisions have been very good.

>It appears profit as a

>middleman is his true following, as he plays different sides against

>each other. Paleolithic foods: were they lean and low in saturate fat?

>See the excerpt below.

I'm not sure where profit comes into this, except that he does sell ostrich

and bison, but the idea that paleo animals were lean is a common

misconception (and one of Cordain's disservices to the community) due to

our modern propensity to slaughter animals young. Actual paleo people

strongly preferred to kill older animals which had had time to build up

large depots of fat, and they also preferred fatty meats and organs like

tongue and brain to the lean muscle meat we've inherited a preference for

from medieval nobility.

-

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>I was clueless Dr. Mercola had religion on his agenda.

Well, wouldn't you know it -- I replied to your message, then checked out

Mercola's latest newsletter, which linked to this statement:

>>There's no questioning the power of prayer either. So many studies have

>>documented it and the science that proves its healing power is very

>>solid. So solid, I believe it's criminally negligent for physicians not

>>to recommend it. If you're interested in learning more about the prayer

>>and how it affects medical science, read Dr. Larry Dossey's article on

>>Prayer and Medical Science.

Criminal negligence is a very strong assertion.

-

[Guest guest]

Off the WFN website: (the Indian oil is centrifuged, while that from

the Philipines is traditionally processed)

" For those of you who are totally confused and need help in deciding

which coconut oil you would like this might help.

Here is a summary for you to help you in choosing which oil to purchase:

*

If heat is important to you the India oil sees the least amount

of heat, but all three oils see less than 117 degrees, so they should

all have live enzymes. Neither the India nor the Philippine oil see

any heat while they are processed.

*

If trace minerals are important to you the Philippine oil

probably has the highest amount of tract minerals. People who douse

tell me there is more " life energy " in the Philippine oil than any

other oil they have tested.

*

If taste is the most important to you, and especially if you

use the coconut oil raw a lot, you would most likely choose the

Centrifuged oil. The Philippine oil is a little creamier and possibly

a little sweeter, and they are very similar, but our choosiest

customers usually select the Centrifuged oil.

*

If price is the most important to you you will want the

Philippine oil. We are able to purchase this oil at a lower price and

pass that savings on to you. "

Sorry to top post.

B.

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:15:53 -0500, Steph <flybabysteph@...> wrote:

>

> " Carol-

>

> >~~~They have two versions - centrifugal and fermented. Is one better than

> >the other, as far as you know?

>

> Nutritionally, I don't know, though all else being equal centrifuged and

> completely unheated is better, but gustatorily, there's no question

> whatsoever that the centrifuged oil tastes much, much better.

>

> - "

>

> There was some discussion of this recently on the coconut oil group and the

consensus was that both are heated to some degree - the centrifuged oil gets

heated when going through the machine. Some people are trying to create a

method where the oil doesn't get heated at all, but haven't been successful yet.

>

> Fermentation is the old-fashioned, natural method of making coconut oil. The

heat is to remove the water so that the oil doesn't go rancid.

>

> While some feel the centrifuged tastes better, it's definitely not unanimous.

:-)

> Steph

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>but the idea that paleo animals were lean is a common

misconception (and one of Cordain's disservices to the community) due to

our modern propensity to slaughter animals young.

-<<

~~~I don't know anything about Cordain slaughtering animals young, so I'm not

commenting on that. But, I really believe grass fed and wild animal meats are

more lean. That's one thing I don't like about them taste-wise. It's difficult

to find the figures on the fat content, however, I was able to find some

previously, (and have lost track of them again), but here's a quote from a

grass-fed beef grower:

" The bad news is fat (grain-fed) beef is not recommended. Also, grain-fed beef

is deficient in Omega-3 fatty acids and loaded with Omega-6 fatty acids. Since

the American diet is deficient in Omega-3s and overdosed with Omega-6s and that

imbalance is causing heart disease, cancer, attention deficit syndrome,

diabetes, and a whole host of other aliments caused by body breakdowns rather

than bacteria, this is damning news for beef.

But in a different light, beef can be a health food and highly recommended

by professional dietitians. And what is that different light you ask? The

answer is simply grass-fed beef. Grass-fed beef is naturally leaner than

grain-fed beef. Grass-fed beef has the recommended ratio of Omega 6 to Omega-3

fatty acids. (It's 2:1 or better.) And grass-fed beef is loaded with other

natural minerals and vitamins, plus it's a great source of CLA (conjugated

linoleic acid) a fat that reduces the risk of cancer, obesity, diabetes, and a

number of immune disorders. Beef, in its natural grass-fed state, is a health

food of the highest order. "

From this site:

http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/grass_fed_beef.htm

A couple of years ago when I was researching commercially raised beef vs.

grass-fed, I found a chart that showed the fat content of the two compared, and

it backed up Slanker's claims above, and showed greatly reduced amounts of

saturated fat, compared to the corn and soy fed commercial beef. The omega 3

content was higher instead. I wish I could post that chart right now, but I've

subsequently lost it, due to computer reformats, I believe. I can't look for it

right now, but I will when I have time. The reason this was such a big issue

for me, was because I have MS and was on a low saturated fat diet, because it's

believed that people with MS don't metabolize saturated fat correctly and it

'calcifies' so to speak on the myelin sheath, cracks, and causes the 'shorts'

that create the neurological symptoms of MS. Grass-fed beef was so much lower

in saturated fat, that it is allowed on that MS diet. (The Best Bet Diet by

Ashton Embry PhD. This is not some 'fly by night' diet. It has many followers

and is in the process of being used in a Canadian trial for a treatment of MS,

backed by money from donations alone, some of which is coming from the Canadia

MS Society. It doesn't only eliminate as much saturated fat from animal sources

as possible, however, it also eliminates all dairy and gluten proteins as well

as high lectin foods, foods to which one is allergic, and processed foods.)

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hopefully, I just got a bad jar and not all TT CO has a smoky taste.

So my thoughts are that the jar I got somehow got some contaminates

in it. Good quality pure coconut oil must first be snow white when

solid and clear as water when liquid, and must smell and taste like

coconuts unless you are buying a refined coconut oil which has no

smell or taste. Aloha Nu Extra Virgin Coconut oil meets all the

above or so I am told by Bruce fife as this is one of the oils he

uses. He says it is complety raw. The highest temp this oil sees is

104 degrees which is much lower than what they get when on the

trees. Bruce says you cannot go by the words " extra virgin oils "

some that say extra virgin oil uses much higher hear and is not raw

or centrifuged.. So again use the appearance and taste test and

remember you get what you pay for, LOL.

Del

" M. Emert " wrote:

>

>

> > > Deanna-

> > >

> > > >I just bought a jar of Tropical Traditions Coconut Cream

> > Concentrate.

> > > >It lists no ingredients, and their website says no additives,

> not

> > even

> > > >water. Is this a good product, or does it have *issues* I

> might

> > like to

> > > >know about?

> > >

> > > I don't think there are any additives, but I don't know

whether

> > it's a good

> > > product, as I haven't tried it. Tropical Traditions makes

> pretty

> > good

> > > coconut stuff, though, so it's probably good. I prefer WFN,

> > though.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

[Guest guest]

I became disenchanted with Dr Mercola a few years ago... I've been

getting his newsletters since about 2000. He did flop on the egg

issue. I don't remember the specifics.... He at first said to eat them

cooked (I think), and then to only eat part of the egg raw, and cook

the other part, and then to only eat the one part, and now he has gone

to eating the whole egg! I guess you might say it was an evolution in

his thinking...to me it seemed he was flopping. I still love his site

as a jumping board on research though!

> ~~~Lately, I've become disenchanted with Mercola, but to be fair I don't see

> that he flip flops on nutrition.

I agree, I think that's when I became disenchanted with him... when I

couldn't afford his recommendations!

Catz

>

> But, what really has made me more than a little disgusted with Mercola is

> that he's falling into the same 'groove' that these internet alternative

> doctors all seem to fall into eventually - commercialism/greed.

>

(Of course, we all

> know that no one is infallible. It's only the blatant and ugly

> commercialism that's bothering me.)

> Carol

[Guest guest]

Carol-

>~~~I don't know anything about Cordain slaughtering animals young,

Sorry, not what I meant. We -- farmers, industry, agribusiness, etc. --

slaughter animals young nowadays, and grassfed animals take much longer to

lay down depot fat, so by comparing young grassfed animals to young

grainfed animals, Cordain et al draw the erroneous conclusion that paleo

people ate lean meat.

>But, I really believe grass fed and wild animal meats are more

>lean. That's one thing I don't like about them taste-wise. It's

>difficult to find the figures on the fat content, however, I was able to

>find some previously, (and have lost track of them again), but here's a

>quote from a grass-fed beef grower:

A young grassfed ruminant is leaner, but the bigger difference between

grassfed and grainfed is marbling. Grainfed animals generally have fat

marbled through the muscle tissue -- tasty for us, probably not healthy for

the animals. And since grassfed animals are slaughtered young, they

haven't had time to build up nearly as much depot fat as they would have

otherwise.

-

[Guest guest]

That being duplicated here....except that I really need to move...I'm

really tired of potatoes (the only thing that is local and in

season!)LOL

> Thanks, Carol. I bought it at the ranch. I think fresh food is best,

> of course. I am a fresh, whole, local in season foods, no supplements,

> type of gal.

I'm really not sure. I always seem to get good coconuts, although I

haven't gotten any lately. I haven't had time to juice them. And they

have been starting to look " iffy " . I thought maybe it was because I

think I am the only person buying them (LOL), and the stores here only

take out the coconuts that have split open...so there are a lot of bad

ones waiting to be bought.

There is only one store here that actually tossed and replaced their

coconut stock after I told them they were all bad, and what to look

for in a " good " coconut.

Catz - who still can only find old brown ones in the area.

>

> When is it best for fresh young or old coconuts in the US for purchase?

> Sometimes they are moldy when you drill and crack them. And it seems to

> me retrospectively, that this is a seasonal phenomenon.

>

> Thanks and good health!

> Deanna

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure where profit comes into this, except that he does sell

> ostrich

> and bison, but the idea that paleo animals were lean is a common

> misconception (and one of Cordain's disservices to the community) due to

> our modern propensity to slaughter animals young. Actual paleo people

> strongly preferred to kill older animals which had had time to build up

> large depots of fat, and they also preferred fatty meats and organs like

> tongue and brain to the lean muscle meat we've inherited a preference for

> from medieval nobility.

>

>

> -

,

The Caveman Cuisine article on WAPF site gets into the specifics of

Paleolithic eating, fat contents and all without bringing up Cordain

once, I think. It is a good read.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/caveman_cuisine.html

Deanna

[Guest guest]

anyone ever take some coconut flakes and put then through the

processor or blender to make cream?

Del

" beckymauldin2001 " wrote:

>

> A young coconut is different from the mature brown coconuts...But

> you can make an awesome coconut cream from the hard, brown

coconuts

> if you have a good juicer, like a Champion or Greenstar. Just

juice

> the white meat and out comes the glorious cream!! It goes bad in

> several days, but you can freeze it. Then I take the coconut

fiber

> and dehydrate it. Great for all sorts of recipes.....

>

> Getting the coconut open is the hardest part, but once you master

> that, making the cream isn't too hard. The only cream I've bought

> that tastes like fresh coconut cream is Wilderness Family's

coconut

> milk and cream sold in those little boxes. Great stuff!!

>

> Hope this helps,

> Becky

>

>

> > @@@ Pratick:

> > > I would like to know if it is possible to make it at home.

> > > I wonder what kind of preservatives they would be adding to it

> and what kind

> > > of

> > > thickeners?

> > @@@

> >

> > Hi Pratick and others,

> > I've made coconut milk at home many times. It's incredibly

> > delicious. I take a young coconut, drain the water, and drink

> it.

[Guest guest]

> Well, wouldn't you know it -- I replied to your message, then checked out

> Mercola's latest newsletter, which linked to this statement:

>

> >>There's no questioning the power of prayer either. So many studies have

> >>documented it and the science that proves its healing power is very

> >>solid. So solid, I believe it's criminally negligent for physicians not

> >>to recommend it. If you're interested in learning more about the prayer

> >>and how it affects medical science, read Dr. Larry Dossey's article on

> >>Prayer and Medical Science.

>

> Criminal negligence is a very strong assertion.

>

>

>

> -

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Yes, strong language indeed, . And who's prayer is the doctor going

to recommend? What if the patient is atheist? How ethical is that? It

may be argued that it might add a dimension of stress to the life of an

ill patient, when his physician is pushing religion on him.

Prayer, attitude and spirituality can certainly help and comfort those

people who subscribe to these kinds of healing techniques, but only when

initiated from their own perspective and beliefs, not their doctor's.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Lillig wrote:

> That being duplicated here....except that I really need to move...I'm

> really tired of potatoes (the only thing that is local and in

> season!)LOL

Hey Girl,

Where are you thinking of moving to? I know you want a drier, warmer

climate low on allergens in the air. Correct? Does that mean Utah,

Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas or ?

That is funny to think all you get is potatoes to choose from. Down

south many things can be grown year round with greenhouses. Even

without them we have two distinct growing seasons. I need to order

seeds pretty soon here too, because by March 1st, winter is officially

over

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Sorry 'bout that...

WFN: www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com

TT: Tropical Traditions (brand of coconut oil)

HFS: health food store

Del

" Connie " wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I have used a lot of the different oils and I also like the WFN

> oil.

> > Right now I have the TT oil because I ran out of WFN and the TT

> was

> > at the HFS so I bought it.

>

> Excuse my ignorance, but what is WFN, TT and HFS?

> Thanks,

> Connie H.

[Guest guest]

Deanna-

>Prayer, attitude and spirituality can certainly help and comfort those

>people who subscribe to these kinds of healing techniques, but only when

>initiated from their own perspective and beliefs, not their doctor's.

I quite agree, which is one reason I'd never go to Mercola as a

patient. But I do find a lot of value in his newsletter and his site.

-

[Guest guest]

> Excuse my ignorance, but what is WFN, TT and HFS?

I can vouch that HFS does NOT stand for " HOT FERTILE SHE-BABE " .

Darrell

[Guest guest]

This has been answered several times. You musta missed it, LOL

WFN: www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com

TT: Tropical traditions (brand of coconut oil)

HFS: health food store

Del

" Darrell " wrote:

> > Excuse my ignorance, but what is WFN, TT and HFS?

>

> I can vouch that HFS does NOT stand for " HOT FERTILE SHE-BABE " .

>

> Darrell

[Guest guest]

I think we have narrowed it down to 5 states! LOL CA, AZ, NV, NM, and

TX...In the order I thought of them from left to right.

We've got dh's resume in the system at the navy and air force

civillian employment sites, and at the usa jobs site. He has started

applying for jobs, and going to finish going through the sites this

weekend.

After a long adventure in Wal-Mart (we always have loads of problems

there because of chemical sensitivities, but at least there is no

mildew!), I decided that I was getting a bit irrational. We are going

to find the job, and just be prepared to go when it comes along!

As for food, I think there about 15 kinds of potatoes to choose from,

and 3 kinds of squash...everything else is labeled TX, CA, or Chile! I

really liked the double growing season in AZ, something fresh all the

time!

Catz

> Hey Girl,

>

> Where are you thinking of moving to? I know you want a drier, warmer

> climate low on allergens in the air. Correct? Does that mean Utah,

> Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas or ?

>

> That is funny to think all you get is potatoes to choose from. Down

> south many things can be grown year round with greenhouses. Even

> without them we have two distinct growing seasons. I need to order

> seeds pretty soon here too, because by March 1st, winter is officially

> over

>

>

>

> Deanna

[Guest guest]

>>That is funny to think all you get is potatoes to choose from. Down

south many things can be grown year round with greenhouses. Even

without them we have two distinct growing seasons. I need to order

seeds pretty soon here too, because by March 1st, winter is officially

over

Deanna<<<

~~~~That's got to be something about the small community she resides in, because

it's not like that at all where I am and I live about 100 miles north of her and

about 20 miles west. Right now in my house, I have potatoes, sweet potatoes,

delicata squash, both red and green cabbage, collard greens, romaine, tomatoes,

avocados, 3 kinds of onions, celery, carrots, zuchini, broccoli, parsley, bok

choy, mushrooms and beets. I live alone and will eat all of that, mostly raw or

juiced.

Carol

[Guest guest]

I didn't think the Boise area was that small of a community...but even

my onions say TX on them! And we just don't like black fuzzy avacados

in this house, even when they are going for the premium price of 76

cents a piece (expensive to get them in from Chile I guess!) My

carrots say CA. The romaine is brown (not very appetizing). But I can

get a different potato a day for at least 2 weeks!

Funny how different things can be so close to each other!

Catz- who thinks that this might just be the worst place in the country! ROFL

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:52:00 -0800, Carol <cah@...> wrote:

>

> ~~~~That's got to be something about the small community she resides in,

> because it's not like that at all where I am and I live about 100 miles

> north of her and about 20 miles west. Right now in my house, I have

> potatoes, sweet potatoes, delicata squash, both red and green cabbage,

> collard greens, romaine, tomatoes, avocados, 3 kinds of onions, celery,

> carrots, zuchini, broccoli, parsley, bok choy, mushrooms and beets. I live

> alone and will eat all of that, mostly raw or juiced.

> Carol