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I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical industries are

artificially inflating the figures for autism in the US or any other

country. If anything they are doing exactly the opposite. One of the

prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of unnecessary

vaccines, something that is woefully common in the US and UK and is a

huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms. Over the years they

have persistantly denied that there is any autism epidemic and

continually tried to ensure us that their multiple vaccines are

completely safe.

I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic autism tests " that you

claim are being marketed is? We've never been offered one. Autism is a

condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour, not by analysing

samples.

I can't offer any explanation why the China and India figures are so low

but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are, in fact, are grossly

UNDER estimated.

Tim

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Time will tell my friend,

Arguments exist on both fronts.

Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

here).

I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

for their new test. If you think that government

mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

Hmmm,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

--- Sandy and Tim

wrote:

>

> I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical

> industries are

> artificially inflating the figures for autism in the

> US or any other

> country. If anything they are doing exactly the

> opposite. One of the

> prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of

> unnecessary

> vaccines, something that is woefully common in the

> US and UK and is a

> huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms.

> Over the years they

> have persistantly denied that there is any autism

> epidemic and

> continually tried to ensure us that their multiple

> vaccines are

> completely safe.

>

> I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic

> autism tests " that you

> claim are being marketed is? We've never been

> offered one. Autism is a

> condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour,

> not by analysing

> samples.

>

> I can't offer any explanation why the China and

> India figures are so low

> but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are,

> in fact, are grossly

> UNDER estimated.

>

> Tim

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > Are there any success stories here?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Angie

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., New Lhasa Research

> > > Facility,

> > > > In search of the truth through relentless

> research

> > > > and infinite patience.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., New Lhasa Research

> Facility, In search of the

> truth through relentless research and infinite

> patience.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Some doctors are already advising older women who become pregnant to abort

because of what they foresee as potential problems, they did this to my

cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother had had my dad in her

forties and had no problems at all, so she refused, everything turned out

fine.

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

MacLeod

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

Time will tell my friend,

Arguments exist on both fronts.

Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

here).

I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

for their new test. If you think that government

mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

Hmmm,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

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Some doctors are already advising older women who become pregnant to abort

because of what they foresee as potential problems, they did this to my

cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother had had my dad in her

forties and had no problems at all, so she refused, everything turned out

fine.

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

MacLeod

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

Time will tell my friend,

Arguments exist on both fronts.

Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

here).

I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

for their new test. If you think that government

mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

Hmmm,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

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I have been following the autism thread and feel, it is better to work on

things that can help rather than worry about how many, one is too many in my

book, my cousin's son went through this he is considerably better now and I

know she went through quite an ordeal over it, finding the real cause and

stopping it is a worthy cause.

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Sandy

and Tim

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:00 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Re: Frequencies for autism?

I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical industries are

artificially inflating the figures for autism in the US or any other

country. If anything they are doing exactly the opposite. One of the

prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of unnecessary

vaccines, something that is woefully common in the US and UK and is a

huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms. Over the years they

have persistantly denied that there is any autism epidemic and

continually tried to ensure us that their multiple vaccines are

completely safe.

I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic autism tests " that you

claim are being marketed is? We've never been offered one. Autism is a

condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour, not by analysing

samples.

I can't offer any explanation why the China and India figures are so low

but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are, in fact, are grossly

UNDER estimated.

Tim

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I have been following the autism thread and feel, it is better to work on

things that can help rather than worry about how many, one is too many in my

book, my cousin's son went through this he is considerably better now and I

know she went through quite an ordeal over it, finding the real cause and

stopping it is a worthy cause.

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Sandy

and Tim

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:00 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Re: Frequencies for autism?

I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical industries are

artificially inflating the figures for autism in the US or any other

country. If anything they are doing exactly the opposite. One of the

prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of unnecessary

vaccines, something that is woefully common in the US and UK and is a

huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms. Over the years they

have persistantly denied that there is any autism epidemic and

continually tried to ensure us that their multiple vaccines are

completely safe.

I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic autism tests " that you

claim are being marketed is? We've never been offered one. Autism is a

condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour, not by analysing

samples.

I can't offer any explanation why the China and India figures are so low

but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are, in fact, are grossly

UNDER estimated.

Tim

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Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

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through relentless research and infinite patience.

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Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

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through relentless research and infinite patience.

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Very very true.

We know that all manner of malady and condition is the

result of molecular imbalance. The solution is

cellular, molecular generation ... a rebuilding of

sorts. Therein lies the solution.

Always,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> I have been following the autism thread and feel, it

> is better to work on

> things that can help rather than worry about how

> many, one is too many in my

> book, my cousin's son went through this he is

> considerably better now and I

> know she went through quite an ordeal over it,

> finding the real cause and

> stopping it is a worthy cause.

> Terry

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Sandy

> and Tim

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:00 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

>

> I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical

> industries are

> artificially inflating the figures for autism in the

> US or any other

> country. If anything they are doing exactly the

> opposite. One of the

> prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of

> unnecessary

> vaccines, something that is woefully common in the

> US and UK and is a

> huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms.

> Over the years they

> have persistantly denied that there is any autism

> epidemic and

> continually tried to ensure us that their multiple

> vaccines are

> completely safe.

>

> I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic

> autism tests " that you

> claim are being marketed is? We've never been

> offered one. Autism is a

> condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour,

> not by analysing

> samples.

>

> I can't offer any explanation why the China and

> India figures are so low

> but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are,

> in fact, are grossly

> UNDER estimated.

>

> Tim

>

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through relentless research and infinite patience.

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Very very true.

We know that all manner of malady and condition is the

result of molecular imbalance. The solution is

cellular, molecular generation ... a rebuilding of

sorts. Therein lies the solution.

Always,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> I have been following the autism thread and feel, it

> is better to work on

> things that can help rather than worry about how

> many, one is too many in my

> book, my cousin's son went through this he is

> considerably better now and I

> know she went through quite an ordeal over it,

> finding the real cause and

> stopping it is a worthy cause.

> Terry

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Sandy

> and Tim

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:00 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

>

> I can't get behind the idea that the pharmaceutical

> industries are

> artificially inflating the figures for autism in the

> US or any other

> country. If anything they are doing exactly the

> opposite. One of the

> prime factors linked with autism is the over-use of

> unnecessary

> vaccines, something that is woefully common in the

> US and UK and is a

> huge money spinner for the pharmaceutical firms.

> Over the years they

> have persistantly denied that there is any autism

> epidemic and

> continually tried to ensure us that their multiple

> vaccines are

> completely safe.

>

> I'm not sure what the nature of these " diagnostic

> autism tests " that you

> claim are being marketed is? We've never been

> offered one. Autism is a

> condition that is diagnosed by observing behaviour,

> not by analysing

> samples.

>

> I can't offer any explanation why the China and

> India figures are so low

> but I'm absolutely sure the US and UK figures are,

> in fact, are grossly

> UNDER estimated.

>

> Tim

>

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A guy refused to date m because I am in my early fourties. this is because he

wants to have a child. He is 40 himself. I think the technology is such that

they can test for certain maladies before the baby is born. What are some of the

things you have heard about women in thier mid fourties having children?

Angie

Ian MacLeod wrote:

Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

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through relentless research and infinite patience.

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A guy refused to date m because I am in my early fourties. this is because he

wants to have a child. He is 40 himself. I think the technology is such that

they can test for certain maladies before the baby is born. What are some of the

things you have heard about women in thier mid fourties having children?

Angie

Ian MacLeod wrote:

Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

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through relentless research and infinite patience.

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According to our resident M.D., there is no reason whatever why a healthy woman

in her 40's, preferably a little overweight, and with previous childbearing

experience, cannot have a perfectly healthy child. The risks are no greater

than in a woman in her early thirties, or late twenties for that matter.

All the Best,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

Dr. Alan Kneely, M.D.

ngela McGuire wrote:

A guy refused to date m because I am in my early fourties. this is

because he wants to have a child. He is 40 himself. I think the technology is

such that they can test for certain maladies before the baby is born. What are

some of the things you have heard about women in thier mid fourties having

children?

Angie

Ian MacLeod wrote:

Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., New Lhasa Research Facility, In search of the truth

through relentless research and infinite patience.

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According to our resident M.D., there is no reason whatever why a healthy woman

in her 40's, preferably a little overweight, and with previous childbearing

experience, cannot have a perfectly healthy child. The risks are no greater

than in a woman in her early thirties, or late twenties for that matter.

All the Best,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

Dr. Alan Kneely, M.D.

ngela McGuire wrote:

A guy refused to date m because I am in my early fourties. this is

because he wants to have a child. He is 40 himself. I think the technology is

such that they can test for certain maladies before the baby is born. What are

some of the things you have heard about women in thier mid fourties having

children?

Angie

Ian MacLeod wrote:

Absolutely, and I was born two days before my mother's

51st birthday. This was a long time before today's

modern technology and increased birth survival

technology.

Thanks for the input Terry,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

--- Terry McClelland wrote:

> Some doctors are already advising older women who

> become pregnant to abort

> because of what they foresee as potential problems,

> they did this to my

> cousin, her reply was that was that our grandmother

> had had my dad in her

> forties and had no problems at all, so she refused,

> everything turned out

> fine.

> Terry

>

> _____

>

> From: Rife

> [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Ian

> MacLeod

> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:25 PM

> To: Rife

> Subject: Re: Re: Frequencies for autism?

>

>

>

> Time will tell my friend,

>

> Arguments exist on both fronts.

>

> Autism denominator test, an experimental protocol

> being pursued by Glaxo at present, will supposedly

> determine if Autism is likely in an unborn child.

> They have pumped a lot of money into this protocol

> even though it has yet to come to final Human Phase

> Testing (a process with which we are quite familiar

> here).

>

> I don't find it difficult to see that the Pharma

> Industry is " priming the pump " to prepare the world

> for their new test. If you think that government

> mandated vaccines are a travesty, wait until you see

> what can happen when government mandates a pregnancy

> examination for the dreaded " Autism Danger " .

>

> Hmmm,

>

> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & The Whole Team

>

>

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., New Lhasa Research Facility, In search of the truth

through relentless research and infinite patience.

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