Re: Cholesterol, Tranfat, CIS?

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In a message dated 12/11/04 1:35:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't PHOs created by passing the oil through

> hydrogen with a nickel catalyst? If this is true doesn't some of the

nickel

> remain in the oil? Would naturally occurring trans fats also have nickel

in

> them?

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~~~~> You're right, residual nickel could cause problems in someone with a

nickel sensitivity.

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> I have read that synthetic vitamins appear to be identical to natural

> vitamins. But the body knows that they are not the same and cannot use the

> synthetic vitamins to full advantage.

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~~~> That's only true if they are NOT identical.

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> As I am not a scientist I'm way over my head. But this is what I have

> gathered from my reading.

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~~~~> When human industry synthesizes compounds, it does it in an imprecise

way that produces slight variations in the compounds. Small variations can,

but sometimes don't, make for large variations of the compound's activity in the

body. It's only appropriate to call them " identical " if they do not have

these small variations.

Chris

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" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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In a message dated 12/11/04 8:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pratickmukherjee@... writes:

> If this is true as a general rule, then what about synthetic vitamins, like

> those added

> to commercial milk?

> My understanding is that synthetic vitamins are not even half as "

> bioavailable " as

> naturally occuring vitmains.

>

> Is that true?

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~~~> I have no idea. It's probably true that some synthetic vitamins have

decreased or no biological activity. Some synthetic vitamins are toxic too.

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> If so, how is the body distinguising between synthetic and natural

vitamins

> and absorbing

> all of one and very little of the other?

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~~~> I don't think the body distinguishes between " synthetic " and " natural "

vitamins, but it distinguishes between different forms and isomers of vitamins,

and the fact that it responds differently to these different forms and

isomers is a reflection of the fact that they are chemically different.

Chris

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" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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Judith-

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't PHOs created by passing the oil through

>hydrogen with a nickel catalyst? If this is true doesn't some of the nickel

>remain in the oil? Would naturally occurring trans fats also have nickel in

>them?

AFAIK there are heavy metal residues in PHOs, and this very likely

contributes to their ill effects.

>I have read that synthetic vitamins appear to be identical to natural

>vitamins. But the body knows that they are not the same and cannot use the

>synthetic vitamins to full advantage.

Unfortunately, there's an enormous amount of misinformation on the

subject. Even aside from the issue of isomerism and the fact that the body

probably expects and needs complexes of related and synergistic compounds

(i.e. stuff found naturally in food with all sorts of cofactors) rather

than isolated individual compounds, the basic naming conventions used by

pretty much everyone leave a lot to be desired.

For example, people refer to " vitamin K " , but in fact there's K1, K2 and

K3, and that's not even the end of it, because K2 at least comes in

multiple variants, such as MK4 and MK7, which are found in competing K2

supplements.

Another important example is " vitamin B12 " . Most B12 supplements contain

cyanocobalamin, which is a form that's exceptionally poorly absorbed and

utilized by the human body, but there are other forms, including

methylcobalamin and hydroxocobalamin. Properly speaking, cyanocobalamin

shouldn't even be dignified with the label " vitamin B12 " , but researchers

have traditionally taken a very casual attitude towards classification,

figuring that compounds which at least approximate the forms found in

nature are functionally equivalent, or at least acceptable.

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