Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps cancer cells

March 14, 2006

They could buy a violet ray on ebay made in the 30¹s for about $70 and save

a lot of trouble. Think where 20th century medicine would be today if it had

not gotten frozen in the slash-and burn 19th century. I doubt we will ever

hear any more from these gents. I think Œfilling the basement with a garden

hose¹ i.e. A grass-roots revolution, which is what we have here, for all

it¹s scientific crudity, has a much greater chance of success in these

fascist times we live in. The system is broken and cannot be fixed. Anyone

remember the last empire that pulled out of a decline? The greatest Aikido

Sensei I ever studied with taught me this- ³All power has limits; but the

ways of avoiding power are limitless². Let us learn from Brother Ian¹s

travails how to avoid power and keep flooding the basement.... lee

> By PHILIP WALZER, The Virginian-Pilot

> © March 13, 2006

> NORFOLK - A team of scientists from Old Dominion University and

> Eastern Virginia Medical School has reported killing melanoma s in

> mice using lightning-fast, high-powered jolts of electricity.

> The researchers expect their paper to be placed online Wednesday in

> the journal Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications .

> It's the culmination of at least eight years of work seeking possible

> health benefits from short, high-voltage doses of electricity. The

> results, the researchers think , eventually could translate into an

> effective cancer treatment that carries no side effects.

> " We've never had a tumor that didn't respond, " said the lead

> researcher, Nuccitelli , an associate professor of electrical

> and computer engineering at Old Dominion. " Every tumor has shrunk. We

> know we can eliminate them with the right conditions. "

> The electric bursts often disrupted the blood flow to the tumor cells

> and shrunk their nuclei by 50 percent, Nuccitelli said.

> The scientists found that they could kill the tumors with hundreds of

> electrical pulses in two treatments given two to three weeks apart.

> Each burst of electricity carried 4,000 volts and lasted less than

> one-millionth of a second.

> Nuccitelli said they think the process worked by severely damaging the

> DNA in the cells.

> The method produced no scarring and did not harm adjacent cells, the

> professors said. The mice survived, they said, with no ill effects.

> Weaver , a senior research scientist for the Harvard-MIT

> Division of Health Sciences and Technology , said Friday that the team

> from ODU and EVMS is in the forefront of bioelectric research.

> " People have known for a long time that certain kinds of big

> electrical field pulses can kill cells, " he said.

> This, Weaver said, might mark the first time tumor cells have been

> killed without harming nearby cells.

> " I think it's going to attract a lot of attention, " he said.

> Another researcher on the team, Karl Schoenbach , who holds ODU's

> Batten Endowed Chair of Bioelectric Engineering , said they focused

> " on the one type of cancer which is the easiest one to access. " H e

> said the work might have many more applications.

> " It could give a new weapon to cancer research, " Schoenbach said.

> " Maybe some tumors that are not responding now might respond

> electrically. "

> Nuccitelli, who also works for a biotechnology company, BioElectroMed

> Corp. , said the corporation might try to adapt the research to treat

> human skin lesions.

> The scientists said they need to hone their techniques before they can

> experiment on people. Doing that, they said, requires a federal grant,

> which they have not yet won.

> Eight professors and graduate students participated in the study. They

> are affiliated with the Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics ,

> a collaborative effort between ODU and EVMS led by Schoenbach.

> The center takes up the fifth floor of the Norfolk Public Health

> Center , near Brambleton and Colley avenues.

> The melanoma work is not the first piece of prominent research to come

> out of the bioelectrics center in the past year.

> Mounir Laroussi , an associate professor at Old Dominion, developed a

> " plasma pencil " that kills E. coli bacteria but leaves skin cells

> unharmed. Laroussi has been featured on the Discovery Channel and in

> National Geographic.

> Nuccitelli said he hopes the paper about melanoma will draw lots of

> attention.

> " As well as money, of course, " said Beebe , an associate

> professor of physiological sciences at EVMS who helped to pioneer the

> bioelectric research.

> Reach Philip Walzer at or phil.walzer@...

>

> *

>

March 14, 2006

These researchers are probably lurking on the Rife forum for research ideas. One

day a researcher will make a " discovery " that is the equivalentof a Rife machine

and principles but then they get to patent it and license the technology...

Angie

setsail2 wrote:

By PHILIP WALZER, The Virginian-Pilot

NORFOLK - A team of scientists from Old Dominion University and

Eastern Virginia Medical School has reported killing melanoma s in

mice using lightning-fast, high-powered jolts of electricity.

The researchers expect their paper to be placed online Wednesday in

the journal Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications .

It's the culmination of at least eight years of work seeking possible

health benefits from short, high-voltage doses of electricity. The

results, the researchers think , eventually could translate into an

effective cancer treatment that carries no side effects.

" We've never had a tumor that didn't respond, " said the lead

researcher, Nuccitelli , an associate professor of electrical

and computer engineering at Old Dominion. " Every tumor has shrunk. We

know we can eliminate them with the right conditions. "

The electric bursts often disrupted the blood flow to the tumor cells

and shrunk their nuclei by 50 percent, Nuccitelli said.

The scientists found that they could kill the tumors with hundreds of

electrical pulses in two treatments given two to three weeks apart.

Each burst of electricity carried 4,000 volts and lasted less than

one-millionth of a second.

Nuccitelli said they think the process worked by severely damaging the

DNA in the cells.

The method produced no scarring and did not harm adjacent cells, the

professors said. The mice survived, they said, with no ill effects.

Weaver , a senior research scientist for the Harvard-MIT

Division of Health Sciences and Technology , said Friday that the team

from ODU and EVMS is in the forefront of bioelectric research.

" People have known for a long time that certain kinds of big

electrical field pulses can kill cells, " he said.

This, Weaver said, might mark the first time tumor cells have been

killed without harming nearby cells.

" I think it's going to attract a lot of attention, " he said.

Another researcher on the team, Karl Schoenbach , who holds ODU's

Batten Endowed Chair of Bioelectric Engineering , said they focused

" on the one type of cancer which is the easiest one to access. " H e

said the work might have many more applications.

" It could give a new weapon to cancer research, " Schoenbach said.

" Maybe some tumors that are not responding now might respond

electrically. "

Nuccitelli, who also works for a biotechnology company, BioElectroMed

Corp. , said the corporation might try to adapt the research to treat

human skin lesions.

The scientists said they need to hone their techniques before they can

experiment on people. Doing that, they said, requires a federal grant,

which they have not yet won.

Eight professors and graduate students participated in the study. They

are affiliated with the Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics ,

a collaborative effort between ODU and EVMS led by Schoenbach.

The center takes up the fifth floor of the Norfolk Public Health

Center , near Brambleton and Colley avenues.

The melanoma work is not the first piece of prominent research to come

out of the bioelectrics center in the past year.

Mounir Laroussi , an associate professor at Old Dominion, developed a

" plasma pencil " that kills E. coli bacteria but leaves skin cells

unharmed. Laroussi has been featured on the Discovery Channel and in

National Geographic.

Nuccitelli said he hopes the paper about melanoma will draw lots of

attention.

" As well as money, of course, " said Beebe , an associate

professor of physiological sciences at EVMS who helped to pioneer the

bioelectric research.

Reach Philip Walzer at or phil.walzer@...

March 15, 2006

Hi Angie,

It has already happened. Have a look at the video on ElectroRegenersis to be

found here.

http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=954

The inventor spent a lot of time researching every kind of electotherapy

available and then developed his own version, subjected it to full trials

and getting it accepted into mainstream medicine.

I personally think they are doing what the Rife community should have been

doing - real scientific evaluation.

Moderator

Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

cancer cells

These researchers are probably lurking on the Rife forum for research ideas.

One day a researcher will make a " discovery " that is the equivalentof a Rife

machine and principles but then they get to patent it and license the

technology...

Angie

setsail2 wrote:

By PHILIP WALZER, The Virginian-Pilot

C March 13, 2006

NORFOLK - A team of scientists from Old Dominion University and Eastern

Virginia Medical School has reported killing melanoma s in mice using

lightning-fast, high-powered jolts of electricity.

The researchers expect their paper to be placed online Wednesday in the

journal Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications .

It's the culmination of at least eight years of work seeking possible health

benefits from short, high-voltage doses of electricity. The results, the

researchers think , eventually could translate into an effective cancer

treatment that carries no side effects. " We've never had a tumor that didn't

respond, " said the lead researcher, Nuccitelli , an associate

professor of electrical and computer engineering at Old Dominion. " Every

tumor has shrunk. We know we can eliminate them with the right conditions. "

The electric bursts often disrupted the blood flow to the tumor cells and

shrunk their nuclei by 50 percent, Nuccitelli said. The scientists found

that they could kill the tumors with hundreds of electrical pulses in two

treatments given two to three weeks apart. Each burst of electricity carried

4,000 volts and lasted less than one-millionth of a second. Nuccitelli said

they think the process worked by severely damaging the DNA in the cells. The

method produced no scarring and did not harm adjacent cells, the professors

said. The mice survived, they said, with no ill effects. Weaver , a

senior research scientist for the Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences

and Technology , said Friday that the team from ODU and EVMS is in the

forefront of bioelectric research. " People have known for a long time that

certain kinds of big electrical field pulses can kill cells, " he said. This,

Weaver said, might mark the first time tumor cells have been killed without

harming nearby cells. " I think it's going to attract a lot of attention, " he

said. Another researcher on the team, Karl Schoenbach , who holds ODU's

Batten Endowed Chair of Bioelectric Engineering , said they focused " on the

one type of cancer which is the easiest one to access. " H e said the work

might have many more applications. " It could give a new weapon to cancer

research, " Schoenbach said. " Maybe some tumors that are not responding now

might respond electrically. " Nuccitelli, who also works for a biotechnology

company, BioElectroMed Corp. , said the corporation might try to adapt the

research to treat human skin lesions. The scientists said they need to hone

their techniques before they can experiment on people. Doing that, they

said, requires a federal grant, which they have not yet won. Eight

professors and graduate students participated in the study. They are

affiliated with the Reidy Research Center for Bioelectrics , a

collaborative effort between ODU and EVMS led by Schoenbach. The center

takes up the fifth floor of the Norfolk Public Health Center , near

Brambleton and Colley avenues. The melanoma work is not the first piece of

prominent research to come out of the bioelectrics center in the past year.

Mounir Laroussi , an associate professor at Old Dominion, developed a

" plasma pencil " that kills E. coli bacteria but leaves skin cells unharmed.

Laroussi has been featured on the Discovery Channel and in National

Geographic. Nuccitelli said he hopes the paper about melanoma will draw lots

of attention. " As well as money, of course, " said Beebe , an

associate professor of physiological sciences at EVMS who helped to pioneer

the bioelectric research. Reach Philip Walzer at or

phil.walzer@...

March 15, 2006

Please pay attention:

is absolutely right here and I have said this a thousand times if I

have said it at all: " Without proper procedure, accurate records, and singular

protocol your research is a total waste of your time and everyone else's.

Only through proper research and documentation can you hope to achieve what

can be achieved, be accepted where you can be accepted, and get the job done!

Ours is a science that is much maligned, largely due to the 'basement

laboratory' approach that has been taken with much haphazard 'experimentation'

but I do not fault many because the fact is ... PROPER RESEARCH IS EXPENSIVE!

We are spending enormous amounts of money to conduct credible and viable

research data for implementation and publication. A team of wonderfully

imaginative and highly qualified people has been at work in for over 3 years

pooling their knowledge of electromedicine going back to the early 1970's.

With all of this ... we are still about a year from publication, but results

are astounding, surprising, repeatable, and effective as a result of proper

procedures, record-keeping, and observational and practical protocols beiing

put into place from the outset.

Please consider 's message carefully. Keep an accurate journal, record

every tit-bit of information no matter how seemingly meangless it may seem,

when performing your experimentation. This journal can be the answer. Keep

the journal hidden, secret, and if necessary easily destroyable if you live in

one of the oppressed regimes such as the U.S. or U.K.

Warmest Regards,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

wrote: Hi Angie,

It has already happened. Have a look at the video on ElectroRegenersis to be

found here.

http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=954

The inventor spent a lot of time researching every kind of electotherapy

available and then developed his own version, subjected it to full trials

and getting it accepted into mainstream medicine.

I personally think they are doing what the Rife community should have been

doing - real scientific evaluation.

Moderator

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unrelenting search.

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March 15, 2006

HI All,

Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a interesting movie and

if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a wealth of PDF

files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator done,

making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto measurement

circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than would result in over 3

MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other currents,

under the max.

It is only a " frequency device " by the broadest definition, in that it

reverses DC polarity every 11.385 minutes or 683.1 seconds, over

and over for the 3.5 hour sessions per day, 5 days a week. Uses wet

and wide area connection points each side of wound area, does more.

Their trials showed no great difference in healing for one's age range

and the average healing of wounds that prior would not heal was

an impressive .715 square cm, or .113925 square inches, a day.

Angie is right, some of these people may be lurking to pick up ideas

on our lists, but they will never have exclusive control of any technology.

They can patent all they want, even license to outside builders but if

the technology, even the basic concepts of it, are known, the self healer

can still build the device. Maybe not for sale but anything can be

built, even with improved versions.

As for the high voltage (4000 volt) 1 microsecond tumor zapping,

really, that is kids stuff and these people are not as aware of what

is out here as they should be, considering their backgrounds. Let

me quote the posted article partly:

" The mice survived, they said, with no ill effects.

Weaver , a senior research scientist for the Harvard-MIT

Division of Health Sciences and Technology , said Friday that the team

from ODU and EVMS is in the forefront of bioelectric research.

" People have known for a long time that certain kinds of big

electrical field pulses can kill cells, " he said.

This, Weaver said, might mark the first time tumor cells have been

killed without harming nearby cells.

" I think it's going to attract a lot of attention, " he said. "

First time without harming other cells? Attract a lot of attention? Indeed!

I shall ask some Professor friends at both point to references, so Weaver

may stop looking so foolish. He found no new path, he renamed an existing

highway.

When the links to the Electro Regenesis Therapy was first posted by

on March 02, I went onto the information trail and was delighted

by what I found and most grateful had found this. Very nice system.

How they went about the process of gaining acceptance into the

mainstream medicine (not that medicine are all good guys yet) or at least not

having them fight the concept, we could learn from that. However, I did not

comment further here because it was said the Rife Industry could learn a

lot (assuming research methods) from Electro Regenesis.

As I think the term Industry is something that exists to make money or

is profit based in concept, I was very uncomfortable with an associated

reply.

But in today's post, as it is said Regenesis is doing what the Rife

Community should be doing, I can get behind that 100 percent.

We as a group are a community, not an industry. I think people,

I think heart beats, I think help others. That is community.

Industry is ka-ching, cash register, money, not people based.

Sure, some base equipment is needed and that is overhead,

needs to be offset, that is realistic.

Any equipment I support has to be people and community based,

not just there exclusively for the money.

I think the way Electro Regenesis did the trials was good but I do

wonder, as it was in an MD to MD environment more or less,

there was no hostile bias to overcome such as our community

would encounter by the same review types.

So, Today, is right, we need to learn from this, as a community.

Mike

Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

cancer cells

These researchers are probably lurking on the Rife forum for research ideas.

One day a researcher will make a " discovery " that is the equivalentof a Rife

machine and principles but then they get to patent it and license the

technology...

Hi

March 15, 2006

Hi Mike & ,

I think what has to be remembered is that a lot of the 'basement

experiments' are carried out by people who just want to cure

themselves or loved ones, rather than make a machine that will pass

all the medical tests that could be thrust at it.

We have a truly international set of data in the CAFL, so why don't we

get all the 'little people' to send the results of any efficacious

treatment, laid out on an identical standardised form, that could be

stored and built up into a 'body of evidence', accessible on the web?

I personally just want to cure my wife's cancer, and will be happy to

not think about Rife again, and let Dr.MacLeod and Jim Bare push

through until the bitter end. There must be a lot of people in the

Groups who would be happy with just that, but would be willing to

'donate' treatment data to a worldwide database. I will be the first

to volunteer. My wife has just decided to cease chemo before it kills

her, and now has to rely on me to put tgether a package of

'alternatives', so that she doesn't feel that she has 'thrown the

towel in'.

Thank you for allowing me to share in your work,

Kind regards,

Colin

" Mike " wrote:

>

> HI All,

> Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a

interesting movie and

> if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a

wealth of PDF

> files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

> fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

> be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

> use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator done,

> making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto measurement

> circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than would result

in over 3

> MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other

currents,

> under the max.

>

March 15, 2006

I volunteer for that!

But there is a BIG problem with this.

For those who have not followed my saga, I had been diagnosed with terminal

cancer and am, according to the allopaths, not supposed to be alive and

tapping this email on my computer.

And since the diagnosis was dealt with by Sloan Kettering and verified by NY

Hospital, chances are good that it was correct.

Instead yesterday I had my third visit with a naturopath who mentioned that

as far as his Biofeedback tests are concerned my cancer markers are close to

zero and that he is now 100% certain that I'll be back at work by the end of

the coming month.

The passageway between my right kidney and the bladder had been shut down by

the cancer.

Now I am told that the right kidney is draining again as the main growth, in

the bladder, is almost gone.

My bones hurt almost constantly as I finish rebuilding the marrow

metastasized cancer lesions in the skeleton had messed with, and the

oncologist says that I am to all intents and purposes about as healthy as a

50 year old WITHOUT CANCER is supposed to be.

I control my bone pain with natural medications and the naturopath ordered

me to use my EM+ (THANK YOU, BRUCE!) until my hair turns curly: his tests

give me a good list of what parts of me need for me to use my plasma box.

I have had no radiation in almost a year and no chemo in well over three

months.

The issue here is that technology in addition to Rife was used to eradicate

my cancer (Biofeedback, supplements and vitamins to be precise), none of

which is part of " approved " medical care.

This means that even if Hell were to freeze over a couple of times and

allopathic medicine were to begin trials for all this, these trials would

last YEARS and YEARS and definitely not get anywhere with a speed usable by

the truly sick-let's remember for example that people diagnosed with lung

cancer are usually dead within one year of the actual diagnosis.

Someone mentioned that it is far more likely for people like me to care more

about eradicating our cancers than to participate in " tests " .

I'll add that by now many of us know for a fact how truly functional our

" non approved " systems are, and we understand that if we want to get

anything done we'll have to become enough of a political force (like, say,

the NRA) that even Big Pharma will have to fear our anger.

Luigi

Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

cancer cells

> Hi Mike & ,

> I think what has to be remembered is that a lot of the 'basement

> experiments' are carried out by people who just want to cure

> themselves or loved ones, rather than make a machine that will pass

> all the medical tests that could be thrust at it.

>

> We have a truly international set of data in the CAFL, so why don't we

> get all the 'little people' to send the results of any efficacious

> treatment, laid out on an identical standardised form, that could be

> stored and built up into a 'body of evidence', accessible on the web?

>

> I personally just want to cure my wife's cancer, and will be happy to

> not think about Rife again, and let Dr.MacLeod and Jim Bare push

> through until the bitter end. There must be a lot of people in the

> Groups who would be happy with just that, but would be willing to

> 'donate' treatment data to a worldwide database. I will be the first

> to volunteer. My wife has just decided to cease chemo before it kills

> her, and now has to rely on me to put tgether a package of

> 'alternatives', so that she doesn't feel that she has 'thrown the

> towel in'.

> Thank you for allowing me to share in your work,

> Kind regards,

> Colin

>

> " Mike " wrote:

>>

>> HI All,

>> Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a

> interesting movie and

>> if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a

> wealth of PDF

>> files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

>> fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

>> be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

>> use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator done,

>> making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto measurement

>> circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than would result

> in over 3

>> MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other

> currents,

>> under the max.

>>

>

March 15, 2006

This is a great idea, while I couldn't cure my wife's cancer the rife

machine I have did significant things in other areas such as pain

management, building up her blood after chemo, and others

Terry

Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

cancer cells

Hi Mike & ,

I think what has to be remembered is that a lot of the 'basement

experiments' are carried out by people who just want to cure themselves or

loved ones, rather than make a machine that will pass all the medical tests

that could be thrust at it.

We have a truly international set of data in the CAFL, so why don't we get

all the 'little people' to send the results of any efficacious treatment,

laid out on an identical standardised form, that could be stored and built

up into a 'body of evidence', accessible on the web?

I personally just want to cure my wife's cancer, and will be happy to not

think about Rife again, and let Dr.MacLeod and Jim Bare push through until

the bitter end. There must be a lot of people in the Groups who would be

happy with just that, but would be willing to 'donate' treatment data to a

worldwide database. I will be the first to volunteer. My wife has just

decided to cease chemo before it kills her, and now has to rely on me to put

tgether a package of 'alternatives', so that she doesn't feel that she has

'thrown the towel in'.

Thank you for allowing me to share in your work, Kind regards, Colin

" Mike " wrote:

>

> HI All,

> Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a

interesting movie and

> if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a

wealth of PDF

> files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

> fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

> be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

> use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator

> done, making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto

> measurement circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than

> would result

in over 3

> MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other

currents,

> under the max.

>

March 15, 2006

So glad to hear this good news Luigi.You are truly a good example to the

many suffering cancer patients.Thank you so very much for posting

often and keeping the group abreast with your progress.All arguments

concerning who was first to discover electro therapy and its uses are

inconsequential because you are a living testament to its effectiveness.

There is obviously different takes on the issue of

Electroregenersis.Yes possibly some people have been lurking the groups

to obtain

information.Yes there are patents that have been taken out that utilize

the same principle of healing/destroying pathogens,as Royal Rife

and others before him used to provide therapy.At present there are few

in the world,comparitively speaking,that are aware of electromagnetic

therapy

being used for healing therapy.But the cat is OUT of the bag.There is no

going back.History has recorded Royal Rife's work .Someday soon

health care will be given without the slightest regard for profit

interests.Yes Ian,I know you are might be thinking ,don't hold your

breath,but this will

come to pass.It is thanks to people like you Ian,Jim , and all the

others too many to mention,that have advanced the knowledge and use

of Rife like therapy that we will be and are benefitting.The knowledge

has been ressucitated and reborn .It can only get better.

Best regards

Guy

Luigi Farina wrote:

>I volunteer for that!

>But there is a BIG problem with this.

>For those who have not followed my saga, I had been diagnosed with terminal

>cancer and am, according to the allopaths, not supposed to be alive and

>tapping this email on my computer.

>And since the diagnosis was dealt with by Sloan Kettering and verified by NY

>Hospital, chances are good that it was correct.

>Instead yesterday I had my third visit with a naturopath who mentioned that

>as far as his Biofeedback tests are concerned my cancer markers are close to

>zero and that he is now 100% certain that I'll be back at work by the end of

>the coming month.

>The passageway between my right kidney and the bladder had been shut down by

>the cancer.

>Now I am told that the right kidney is draining again as the main growth, in

>the bladder, is almost gone.

>My bones hurt almost constantly as I finish rebuilding the marrow

>metastasized cancer lesions in the skeleton had messed with, and the

>oncologist says that I am to all intents and purposes about as healthy as a

>50 year old WITHOUT CANCER is supposed to be.

>I control my bone pain with natural medications and the naturopath ordered

>me to use my EM+ (THANK YOU, BRUCE!) until my hair turns curly: his tests

>give me a good list of what parts of me need for me to use my plasma box.

>I have had no radiation in almost a year and no chemo in well over three

>months.

>The issue here is that technology in addition to Rife was used to eradicate

>my cancer (Biofeedback, supplements and vitamins to be precise), none of

>which is part of " approved " medical care.

>This means that even if Hell were to freeze over a couple of times and

>allopathic medicine were to begin trials for all this, these trials would

>last YEARS and YEARS and definitely not get anywhere with a speed usable by

>the truly sick-let's remember for example that people diagnosed with lung

>cancer are usually dead within one year of the actual diagnosis.

>Someone mentioned that it is far more likely for people like me to care more

>about eradicating our cancers than to participate in " tests " .

>I'll add that by now many of us know for a fact how truly functional our

> " non approved " systems are, and we understand that if we want to get

>anything done we'll have to become enough of a political force (like, say,

>the NRA) that even Big Pharma will have to fear our anger.

>Luigi

>

> Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

>cancer cells

>

>>Hi Mike & ,

>>I think what has to be remembered is that a lot of the 'basement

>>experiments' are carried out by people who just want to cure

>>themselves or loved ones, rather than make a machine that will pass

>>all the medical tests that could be thrust at it.

>>

>>We have a truly international set of data in the CAFL, so why don't we

>>get all the 'little people' to send the results of any efficacious

>>treatment, laid out on an identical standardised form, that could be

>>stored and built up into a 'body of evidence', accessible on the web?

>>

>>I personally just want to cure my wife's cancer, and will be happy to

>>not think about Rife again, and let Dr.MacLeod and Jim Bare push

>>through until the bitter end. There must be a lot of people in the

>>Groups who would be happy with just that, but would be willing to

>>'donate' treatment data to a worldwide database. I will be the first

>>to volunteer. My wife has just decided to cease chemo before it kills

>>her, and now has to rely on me to put tgether a package of

>>'alternatives', so that she doesn't feel that she has 'thrown the

>>towel in'.

>>Thank you for allowing me to share in your work,

>>Kind regards,

>>Colin

>>

>> " Mike " wrote:

>>

>>>HI All,

>>> Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a

>>>

>>interesting movie and

>>

>>>if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a

>>>

>>wealth of PDF

>>

>>>files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

>>>fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

>>>be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

>>>use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator done,

>>>making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto measurement

>>>circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than would result

>>>

>>in over 3

>>

>>>MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other

>>>

>>currents,

>>

>>>under the max.

>>>

>>

March 15, 2006

Hi Luigi,

It truly brightens the day when you and others like you have such wonderful

news to report.

If you have any records or can remember what frequencies, times, equipment

that you have used and what vitamins, mineral, herbs, etc. that you have

taken and in what quantity, and any other thing that you have used to kill

the beast, I'm sure that others could benefit if you would be able to post

the information. Whew! What a sentence! Basically, any information that

you can share in detail will be appreciated.

Regards,

jra

Re: Scientists report jolts of electricity literally zaps

> cancer cells

>

>> Hi Mike & ,

>> I think what has to be remembered is that a lot of the 'basement

>> experiments' are carried out by people who just want to cure

>> themselves or loved ones, rather than make a machine that will pass

>> all the medical tests that could be thrust at it.

>>

>> We have a truly international set of data in the CAFL, so why don't we

>> get all the 'little people' to send the results of any efficacious

>> treatment, laid out on an identical standardised form, that could be

>> stored and built up into a 'body of evidence', accessible on the web?

>>

>> I personally just want to cure my wife's cancer, and will be happy to

>> not think about Rife again, and let Dr.MacLeod and Jim Bare push

>> through until the bitter end. There must be a lot of people in the

>> Groups who would be happy with just that, but would be willing to

>> 'donate' treatment data to a worldwide database. I will be the first

>> to volunteer. My wife has just decided to cease chemo before it kills

>> her, and now has to rely on me to put tgether a package of

>> 'alternatives', so that she doesn't feel that she has 'thrown the

>> towel in'.

>> Thank you for allowing me to share in your work,

>> Kind regards,

>> Colin

>>

>> " Mike " wrote:

>>>

>>> HI All,

>>> Yes, is right, at the link he gave is a

>> interesting movie and

>>> if you go to their site, provided earlier by , there is a

>> wealth of PDF

>>> files to read and plenty of information about the whole DC system. In

>>> fact, enough to easily build a version with more options and which can

>>> be constructed under $200.00 USD. I am making one already for self

>>> use. Digital reversing timer, switching and power supply regulator done,

>>> making extra safety, over current, patient resistance auto measurement

>>> circuit, so it will not try to apply more voltage than would result

>> in over 3

>>> MA, even if the patient turned into solid copper; Presets for other

>> currents,

>>> under the max.

>>>

>>

March 15, 2006

Hi Colin and Members,

I tend to agree with you. Once Dr Rife's work was suppressed, then that opened

the door and kindled interest for anyone to have a look at this therapy. We have

the Pharms with their controlled drugs, and we have the Herbalists and Natural

doctors with their drugs. Some drugs come from the garden while others cost

thousands to make.

Dr Hulda woke the world up to " cheap " electronics and do it at home, Mum

and Dad electronics. And people can get kick started (with real health benefits)

from $26 or go to $5,000 for the state of the art, which is licensed by Health

Canada. What a wonderful world we live in when can do this and have this

freedom.

The number of people who manage or have resolved health problems with $26 of

electronics would be in the tens of thousands.

Dr Bare has done the work and Resonant Light is the result, absolute proof of

the benefits of this work across a broad spectrum of pain symptoms.

Now, does Jim tell us all we have to buy Resonant Light machine's to work in

this field? No he does not and he goes out of his way to give support to all the

home researchers using cheaper machines.

It has been discussed here many times, that there is no real science in

medicine, the body can heal from simple hope, intention, will power, trauma

release, emotional balancing, acupressure and meridian work, drugs and

electrotherapy, diet, exercise, meditation .... you get the idea, the list goes

on and on. Who can really say their technique healed a person when it could be

well over several techniques all working synergistically.

How can there be a science in this field when there are more variables to the

outcome of a healthy life than there are grains of sand on the beach.

As soon as a person slightly alters their diet, does some mediation, or goes for

a walk in the park, then science is out the window and we are deluding ourselves

to think otherwise. Hey, they might of met a holy man in the park and received a

blessing from God, and as a result, healed.

If there was science in medicine, then why are people still sick? It just hasn't

happened. There are therapies, and that's all. Modalities of drugs,

electrotherapy, tactile work, diet, exercie, life style changes that all

contribute to the healing response.

Just my opinion.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp