Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Some information can be found here, along with good quality devices http://www.theledman.net/ ge www.livingnow.net/gevans skmackie wrote: I'd like to try using an LED for tinnitus. A guy even said he used one to improve his eyesight. There are past posts on this list about tinnitus and the use of red LEDs. I'm assuming that what they are referring to are the pointer LEDs that, for example, a teacher would use on the chalk board. Is this correct? Or are there higher power ones I should get? Thanks for the help. Sheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Greetings! The medical use of LEDs can be useful, particularly when combined with electroacupuncture, (micro-TENS unit). This combination has been shown effective in treatment of carpal tunnel. LEDs and Laser LEDs in both visable wavelengths and infrared have been studied. LED lasers in the infrared range penetrate human tissue better than visable light lasers. Bil is right to caution us in working with lasers. Before employing their use, please become well informed as to their dangers. Even infrared lasers should not be used without eye protection. When possible we should provide references, documentation to validate our statements. Here are some references: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Acupuncture.asp http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2002/oct/10carpaltunnel.html Pay particular attention to the research of these two: " Naeser M, Hahn K, Lieberman B, Branco K. " Laser Information and Safety: http://technology.niagarac.on.ca/lasers/ <http://technology.niagarac.on.ca/lasers/> http://members.misty.com/don/laserdps.htm <http://members.misty.com/don/laserdps.htm> http://www.ehs.uiuc.edu/rss/lasers/index.aspx?tbID=lsr <http://www.ehs.uiuc.edu/rss/lasers/index.aspx?tbID=lsr> http://www.rli.com/resources/pointer.asp <http://www.rli.com/resources/pointer.asp> > I'd like to try using an LED for tinnitus. A guy even said he used one to improve his eyesight. > There are past posts on this list about tinnitus and the use of red LEDs. I'm assuming that > what they are referring to are the pointer LEDs that, for example, a teacher would use on the > chalk board. Is this correct? Or are there higher power ones I should get? > > Thanks for the help. > > Sheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 wrote: , Are you familiar with the application of electrotherapy using acupuncture points, such as auriculotherapy, which uses acupuncture points in the ear? Some practitioners use various applicable Nogier frequencies for this. I am wondering if there would be any benefits pulsing the Nogier frequencies using LEDs for healing and/or pain? ge www.livingnow.net/gevans Greetings! The medical use of LEDs can be useful, particularly when combined with electroacupuncture, (micro-TENS unit). This combination has been shown effective in treatment of carpal tunnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hello Gail, Good point! Yes, the research I refered to using both lasers and the micro-TENs units focused the use of acupuncture points. ly, the research indicated that in many cases of corpal tunnel, surgery may be unnessicary. Dr. Nogier's work, published in 1957, (Treatise of Auriculotheraphy), was confirmed by Dr. Terry Oleson, (Pain Management Clinic, University of California, LA School of Medicine). Dr. Oleson believes that micro-system demonstrates the holographic properties of the human body. Further investigation by Dr. Ralph Alan Dale revealed 18 other microsystems were in the body. Data concerning frequencies and working characteristics may be found in the research mentioned in both this and my last post. I have made and used simple LED devices for pain management. In fact, I developed a series of simple devices for research purposes, and most users found them quite effective of minor inflamation and pain. The basic effects seem to include increased blood circulation at the target site. Does anyone know of reliable electronic devices, (GSR?), for locating acupuncture points??? Best Regards, , > Are you familiar with the application of electrotherapy using acupuncture points, such as auriculotherapy, which uses acupuncture points in the ear? Some practitioners use various applicable Nogier frequencies for this. I am wondering if there would be any benefits pulsing the Nogier frequencies using LEDs for healing and/or pain? > ge > www.livingnow.net/gevans > Greetings! > > The medical use of LEDs can be useful, particularly when combined > with electroacupuncture, (micro-TENS unit). This combination has been > shown effective in treatment of carpal tunnel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Hi Gail, Most acupuncture lasers come with the ability to modulate/pulse the laser with the Nogier frequencies. I don't see why it wouldn't work for LEDs. Dave From my files; ############################################################## NOGIER frequencies Seven frequencies were developed experimentally by Dr NOGIER in the 1970s. These frequencies are constantly used in routine medical practice, as they are preferentially recognized by the body. They enter into resonance with the body and specific exert effects on the body. These frequencies are used both for detection and for treatment. Frequencies U A B C D E F G Value (Hz) 1.14 2.28 4.56 9.125 18.25 36.5 73 146 The U frequency is the so-called " universal " frequency and the resulting 7 fundamental frequencies are multiples of 2. The same frequencies are used for laser devices, but at a higher harmonic. They have an identical action. Frequencies A B C D E F G Value (Hz) 2336 4672 73 146 Variations with respect to reference frequencies are also used. They range from -30% to +30%. Definition of frequencies by Drs and Raphaël NOGIER: Extract from " The man in the ear " , Maisonneuve, 1979, 255 p. The " A " frequency is associated, in the animal kingdom, with non-organized, embryonic structures. It is the frequency of the primitive living being; it is in sympathy with the cell in the crude, undifferentiated state. This frequency, the most archaic, can also be considered to be the most anarchic. The more elaborate " B " frequency is specific to the nutritional visceral system and is related to the primitive gastrointestinal apparatus. The " C " frequency indicates motor elements of the body. It reflects movement, the limbs, the renal system, the genital tract. The " D " frequency leads us to a higher level of organization, as it introduces the concept of symmetry, by selectively affecting certain unpaired organs, presenting the characteristic of being solitary, but anatomically symmetrical; for example the corpus callosum or the white commissure, two symmetrical cerebral structures, situated between the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere [...] The " E " frequency is that of the spinal cord and central nervous system, which perceives and communicates between functional units situated at different levels. The " F " frequency represents subcortical cerebral regions. These structures are found in the brain of higher animals, dogs, for example. The " G " frequency resonates with the most elaborate structures of the body, those of the cerebral cortex, the typically human part of the brain, which gives man the capacity to think, create and imagine. ################################################################## , > Are you familiar with the application of electrotherapy using acupuncture points, such as auriculotherapy, which uses acupuncture points in the ear? Some practitioners use various applicable Nogier frequencies for this. I am wondering if there would be any benefits pulsing the Nogier frequencies using LEDs for healing and/or pain? > ge > www.livingnow.net/gevans > Greetings! > > The medical use of LEDs can be useful, particularly when combined > with electroacupuncture, (micro-TENS unit). This combination has been > shown effective in treatment of carpal tunnel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 I would be interested in that also, as the only one I know of is an integral part of an auriculotherpay unit (around $4000). ge www.livingnow.net/gevans wrote: Does anyone know of reliable electronic devices, (GSR?), for locating acupuncture points??? Best Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hello , There are many such devices available. Point locators work by measuring skin conductance. The typical device has a probe and a hand mass. These are generally used for body point location. For auricular point location a bi-polar differential measurement devices is used. It consists of a center electrode insulated from an outer tube, which is the second electrode. The unit Gail referred to is probably the Stim Flex 400, a top of the line auricular unit for about $4000. The body probe doesn't work well for the ear. Some say you can use the ear type probe on the body. I haven't tried that. A little searching on the web (acupuncture point locator) can yield much more info. http://www.medserv.ca/catalogue.cfm?Id=5 has several listed http://www.net1device.com/net2000.htm This is the device I use. let me know if I can be of further assistance, Dave > > > Does anyone know of reliable electronic devices, (GSR?), for > locating acupuncture points??? > > Best Regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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