Re: Fw: [BCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

December 16, 2006

To Quon,

So you checked out quack watch.Read what they have to say about Rife on

wikpedia.SO WHAT!!! Do your own research.Get your hands on a Rife device and

draw YOUR own conclusions.

Ted

December 16, 2006

Why bother, his mind is made up.

Boot him or regret it.

jp

> Hi,

>

> How do I handle people like this? Can some of you people help me in

> explaining to this person that rife technology when used correctly is not

> dangerous and that alternative medicine is not dangerous when used

> correctly

> and in its propper manner?

>

> Josh

>

> [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

>

>> Hi listers,

>>

>> My name is Quon and I'm a new lister who has been reading all

[sNIP]

December 16, 2006

study what he says carefully & respond point by point, making sure all your

ducks are in a neat row.

scepticism is good, but often is taken too far with arrogant closed minds.

quackwatch is certainly not infallible, but points made there are always

worth serious consideration on your path of learning....they're either right

or wrong, or in some error of thinking or presentation. the quackwatch page

on colloidal silver is easy to dismiss because they have nothing significant

to say for one thing.

it's always a very good idea to " consider the source " but also do not deny

truth or genuine value or potential no matter if it comes directly from the

devil itself.

Rife most probably had errors in his understanding of what was doing what in

accounting for his successes and failures. there's much that can never be

known or dismissed about his work. it would be good if the often reproduced

Rife Story was investigated thoroughly for facts, ommisions, etc. and

whatever currently existing proof of it's parts well presented & preserved.

don't yourself present as definite fact anything you haven't the means to

prove. the status quo re-writes history to clean itself regularly, as do

many individuals.

current machines either work effectively for people or they don't. the

placebo effect & marketing strategies together probably aren't enough to

keep the high-end manufacturers in business. the mechanisms of how they

work upon the body is still largely speculation, it's true.

just don't waste too much time battling with boneheads unless it helps you

to learn in your own quest for knowledge and ability to determine the truth

and find the solutions you need.

the bottom line is always results. sceptics are annoying but valuable to

have around. if you can't shoot them down you simply don't have your stuff

together or they're right.

cheers,

bobL

myspace: http://www.myspace.com/bob021147

ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/bobLs-fine-flotsam

homepage: http://www.toad.net/~blarson/

> Fw: [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

>

> Hi,

>

> How do I handle people like this? Can some of you people help me in

> explaining to this person that rife technology when used correctly is not

> dangerous and that alternative medicine is not dangerous when

> used correctly

> and in its propper manner?

>

> Josh

>

> [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

>

> > Hi listers,

> >

> > My name is Quon and I'm a new lister who has been

> reading all your

> > great posts for a few weeks now. I have two comments. My first is that I

> > have been really, really enjoying the immense amount of talent and

> > creativity from all of you podcasters. I am seriously considering

> > purchasing

> > the necessary equipment to create my own podcasts if I can generate the

> > courage to do so. (smile)

> >

> > Now my second comment for which I apologize in advance...

> >

> > I have recently received a Bachelor of Science degree in

> biology and would

> > like to respectfully chime in on this rife machine and its alleged

> > beneficial effects. I would first like to state that I am a life long

> > fanatical follower of his excellence Shermer. For those

> who don't

> > know, Shermer is the editor and creator of Skeptic Magazine and

> > has

> > made such profound statements as the following: " ...Evolution happened,

> > and

> > the theory describing it is one of the most well founded in all of

> > science.

> > Then why do half of all Americans reject it?--brilliant aint he! " With

> > that

> > preface regarding my point of view out in the open, this rife

> machine has

> > been a fraud for some 70 years now. If it was so useful it

> would be a part

> > of all household furniture from its date of invention. I

> normally go right

> > to Lexus-Nexus to research any new reports on biological breakthroughs,

> > but

> > because this rife machine sounded so incredibly bogus I only

> went as far

> > as

> > Wikipedia to research the veracity of its claims. I will

> present snippets

> > of

> > the findings below, but before I do so I would like to convey

> my thoughts

> > on

> > this and other scientific subject matter.

> >

> > I would like to respectfully submit that because we receive

> many messages

> > from many listers, we should really consider the source of

> information at

> > all times. Just like you wouldn't seriously consider medical advice from

> > someone you met on the street, on the bus, or sitting on a bar stool, we

> > should be just as cautious on user lists. I really do not want

> to come off

> > as combative on my first few posts, and I apologize to Josh, but I think

> > this is a great opportunity to convey my thoughts in a friendly yet

> > pertinent manner. I hope I'm wrong, but from what I have read I believe

> > Josh

> > is in his early 20's and I believe he stated he doesn't have a formal

> > scientific or medical education, so his posts concerning medicine and

> > medical treatments should really be questioned at the very

> least. He also

> > posted a link to a website promoting the veracity of this Rife

> technology.

> > Anyone, absolutely anyone can create a webpage making just

> about any claim

> > including a hotline to any God you can imagine. The claim regarding

> > pharmaceutical companies colluding to prevent the discovery of

> a cure for

> > cancer is patently insane from any perspective. There are literally

> > hundreds

> > of forms of cancers, the pharmaceutical companies can make much, much

> > more

> > money in a discovery of a cure for cancer because of the great

> need around

> > the world. Remember, the most riches corperations in the world are

> > pharmaceutical companies--yes, even more money is generated from

> > pharmaceuticals than oil--you can live without an automobile

> but you will

> > pay an arm and a leg for Tylenol if the headache is great

> enough. This is

> > of

> > course because science and the medicine it produces is our true

> savior. In

> > other words, this great medical donation conspiracy claim is unfounded,

> > but

> > I believe not all will agree with me of course. Josh made a

> mention in one

> > of his posts regarding a cure for AIDS and a governmental

> cover-up yet he

> > never did provide any substantive follow-up information. He also

> > mentioned:

> > " Practitioners have been put in jail for making statements which may in

> > fact

> > be true. And which are true because I've read hundreds of letters saying

> > about how the rife technology has changed peoples' lives. " Because Josh

> > read

> > hundreds of letters doesn't qualify his information on this

> list as that

> > of

> > valid scientific data or expert testimony. Another problem with

> > superficial

> > understanding of scientific data is the following: " The rife technology

> > works on the principals of physics. " Everything we experience in this

> > world

> > is processed through our human senses, which of course means that it is

> > all

> > processed through the laws of physics from cells, to tissues,

> to organs,

> > to

> > the 11 life supporting physiological body systems--in other

> words many of

> > these crazy ideas are to some extent supported by general

> scientific fact,

> > which of course the proponents exploit to seem credible. To illustrate

> > this

> > in a disgusting yet memorable manner, my physiology professor

> conveyed to

> > our lab that whenever you pass by a doggie landmine (the number

> one enemy

> > to

> > a blind person), and if you smell the odor, you are actually

> experiencing

> > molecules of the fecal matter making contact with the many olfactory

> > membranes in your nose. In other words, the odor you are smelling is

> > actually fecal substance that has become airborne and lodge in your

> > nose--just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there! Think

> > about

> > that next time you smell someone's many body odors. Josh pasted what he

> > believed to be " technical " information regarding this Rife

> technology, and

> > on the surface, to someone who doesn't have the expertise to

> decipher the

> > medical gibberish, it may appear to be credible, but a cursory

> read by any

> > detailed oriented individual will lead to the one and only

> > conclusion--dismissal of the Rife claims.

> >

> > I seriously hope I did not step on any toes, but My main contention with

> > these types of posts is that we should really stop to consider the

> > messenger

> > and his or her message before following them down a bad path. This goes

> > for

> > my post too. If you believe me not to be worthy of your

> consideration then

> > that's alright too, but please " consider the source " when on

> these e-mail

> > lists. The following is the information I found on this fallacious Rife

> > technology. Keep in mind that I did not go to Lexus Nexus or any other

> > science based database of information because I believed it a waste of

> > time

> > when I concluded the Wikipedia information to be credible

> enough to adhere

> > to it. You can read more by visiting www.wikipedia.com and

> searching for

> > the

> > Rife machine's inventor using his name to read-up on Rife

> microscopes and

> > subsequent Rife technology.

> >

> > " ...In sharp contrast, electron microscopy has failed to replicate his

> > observations, making it extremely unlikely that these microscopes ever

> > functioned as claimed. "

> >

> > " No paper submitted to a peer-reviewed medical journal, nor any

> details of

> > the diagnoses of the patients before or after treatment are

> available. In

> > 1935 Rife's work was revived by interested businessmen in the 1980s. An

> > interest in Rife himself was revived by author Barry Lynes, who wrote a

> > book

> > about Rife entitled The Cancer Cure That Worked. This led to

> such groups

> > as

> > the Bioelectromagnetics Society. Scientists generally

> characterize Rife's

> > claims as patently absurd when examined critically. Those who

> claim to be

> > continuing Rife's work today are accused of ignoring the scientific

> > method,

> > and their work is written off as pseudo-science. Both Rife's

> original work

> > and current theoretical and commercial offerings, such as Rife

> plasma lamp

> > devices, remain completely unsupported by peer-reviewed research and are

> > condemned as quackery, confidence trickery and fraud by Quackwatch and

> > other

> > skeptics of

> > alternative medicine who take the same view of Rife and his work as

> > Fishbein

> > supposedly did in the first half of the 20th century. "

> >

> > " In the late 1980's a company by the name of " Life Energy Resources "

> > mass-produced a device they called the " REM SuperPro Generator " on the

> > foundation of

> > Rife's work (giving the acronym REM for Rife's

> Electromagnetic). Three of

> > the company's top distributors: Pat Ballistrea,

> Ricotta, and

> > Strandberg, served prison time for device health fraud and selling

> > unapproved medical devices and drugs as a result of their

> trials in 1993,

> > 1994, and 1995. "

> >

> > " By the end of the millennium, devices using Rife's name were widely

> > available from many commercial sources. This included

> microscopes claiming

> > to be derived from Rife's " Universal microscope, " as well as devices

> > advertised as " Beam Ray " equivalents claiming to cure anything from the

> > common cold via Lyme disease to cancer. Peer-reviewed research

> reporting

> > any

> > real effects of these machines or the technology involved was not

> > available.

> > It was not clear whether or not any of these devices were

> actually based

> > on

> > Rife's work. Growing criticism from mainstream science and demands for

> > government intervention were apparent in the media. One example was a

> > December 2000 Sydney Morning Herald article

> > that stated " Cancer sufferers have died after putting their faith in a

> > device with electrical parts worth just $15. " Some countries saw the

> > advent

> > of " Rife " clinics which attracted customers worldwide, once

> again without

> > independent verification or accreditation. "

> >

> > Thank you for your time,

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > BlindCoolTech mailing list

> > BlindCoolTech@...

> >

http://lists.luv2bablyndi.net/listinfo.cgi/blindcooltech-luv2bablyndi.net

December 17, 2006

Lets start with some of the gross error in thought. Being one of those that

are in the " crazy half " and still believe in God vs evolution, I would

simply like to state that all structures whether " scientifically based " such

as evolution, or emotionally based such as atheism are exactly that, A

BELIEF STRUCTURE that is not totally supported by facts, contrary to popular

(?) opinion. The facts are incomplete and still require a large leap of

faith to make sense of the whole picture. Thanks, all the same I will stay

with my own beliefs.

As to RIFE technology. Now most equipment out there does not have too much

hard scientific documentation to prove that it works, but not all.

Resonant Light Technology had enough documentation on the PERL to gain it

Canadian government approval for TENS usage. Oops? All the naysayers that

state that rife has absolutely no documented value for anything have a

really hard time with that gem. Is this just a momentary flight of fancy or

a lapse of common sense on the part of Health Canada, or is there really

some merit?

Like most things in alternative medicine, controlled studies have not been

done and consequently the multiplicity of variables not accounted for which

in turn leaves skeptical room for doubt. But the tens of thousands who have

demonstrably shown benefit cannot all be suffering from halucinations or

mass hysteria. Nor are they all lying. So, how do you account for them if

they are not all liars, what then are they?

My God's not dead, sorry about yours.

Regards,

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Author: THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST LIVING, A Personal Story About

Cancer Survival

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org <http://survivecancerfoundation.org/>

Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day

has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Josh

Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:58 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Fw: [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

Hi,

How do I handle people like this? Can some of you people help me in

explaining to this person that rife technology when used correctly is not

dangerous and that alternative medicine is not dangerous when used correctly

and in its propper manner?

Josh

[bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

> Hi listers,

>

> My name is Quon and I'm a new lister who has been reading all your

> great posts for a few weeks now. I have two comments. My first is that I

> have been really, really enjoying the immense amount of talent and

> creativity from all of you podcasters. I am seriously considering

> purchasing

> the necessary equipment to create my own podcasts if I can generate the

> courage to do so. (smile)

>

> Now my second comment for which I apologize in advance...

>

> I have recently received a Bachelor of Science degree in biology and would

> like to respectfully chime in on this rife machine and its alleged

> beneficial effects. I would first like to state that I am a life long

> fanatical follower of his excellence Shermer. For those who don't

> know, Shermer is the editor and creator of Skeptic Magazine and

> has

> made such profound statements as the following: " ...Evolution happened,

> and

> the theory describing it is one of the most well founded in all of

> science.

> Then why do half of all Americans reject it?--brilliant aint he! " With

> that

> preface regarding my point of view out in the open, this rife machine has

> been a fraud for some 70 years now. If it was so useful it would be a part

> of all household furniture from its date of invention. I normally go right

> to Lexus-Nexus to research any new reports on biological breakthroughs,

> but

> because this rife machine sounded so incredibly bogus I only went as far

> as

> Wikipedia to research the veracity of its claims. I will present snippets

> of

> the findings below, but before I do so I would like to convey my thoughts

> on

> this and other scientific subject matter.

>

> I would like to respectfully submit that because we receive many messages

> from many listers, we should really consider the source of information at

> all times. Just like you wouldn't seriously consider medical advice from

> someone you met on the street, on the bus, or sitting on a bar stool, we

> should be just as cautious on user lists. I really do not want to come off

> as combative on my first few posts, and I apologize to Josh, but I think

> this is a great opportunity to convey my thoughts in a friendly yet

> pertinent manner. I hope I'm wrong, but from what I have read I believe

> Josh

> is in his early 20's and I believe he stated he doesn't have a formal

> scientific or medical education, so his posts concerning medicine and

> medical treatments should really be questioned at the very least. He also

> posted a link to a website promoting the veracity of this Rife technology.

> Anyone, absolutely anyone can create a webpage making just about any claim

> including a hotline to any God you can imagine. The claim regarding

> pharmaceutical companies colluding to prevent the discovery of a cure for

> cancer is patently insane from any perspective. There are literally

> hundreds

> of forms of cancers, the pharmaceutical companies can make much, much

> more

> money in a discovery of a cure for cancer because of the great need around

> the world. Remember, the most riches corperations in the world are

> pharmaceutical companies--yes, even more money is generated from

> pharmaceuticals than oil--you can live without an automobile but you will

> pay an arm and a leg for Tylenol if the headache is great enough. This is

> of

> course because science and the medicine it produces is our true savior. In

> other words, this great medical donation conspiracy claim is unfounded,

> but

> I believe not all will agree with me of course. Josh made a mention in one

> of his posts regarding a cure for AIDS and a governmental cover-up yet he

> never did provide any substantive follow-up information. He also

> mentioned:

> " Practitioners have been put in jail for making statements which may in

> fact

> be true. And which are true because I've read hundreds of letters saying

> about how the rife technology has changed peoples' lives. " Because Josh

> read

> hundreds of letters doesn't qualify his information on this list as that

> of

> valid scientific data or expert testimony. Another problem with

> superficial

> understanding of scientific data is the following: " The rife technology

> works on the principals of physics. " Everything we experience in this

> world

> is processed through our human senses, which of course means that it is

> all

> processed through the laws of physics from cells, to tissues, to organs,

> to

> the 11 life supporting physiological body systems--in other words many of

> these crazy ideas are to some extent supported by general scientific fact,

> which of course the proponents exploit to seem credible. To illustrate

> this

> in a disgusting yet memorable manner, my physiology professor conveyed to

> our lab that whenever you pass by a doggie landmine (the number one enemy

> to

> a blind person), and if you smell the odor, you are actually experiencing

> molecules of the fecal matter making contact with the many olfactory

> membranes in your nose. In other words, the odor you are smelling is

> actually fecal substance that has become airborne and lodge in your

> nose--just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there! Think

> about

> that next time you smell someone's many body odors. Josh pasted what he

> believed to be " technical " information regarding this Rife technology, and

> on the surface, to someone who doesn't have the expertise to decipher the

> medical gibberish, it may appear to be credible, but a cursory read by any

> detailed oriented individual will lead to the one and only

> conclusion--dismissal of the Rife claims.

>

> I seriously hope I did not step on any toes, but My main contention with

> these types of posts is that we should really stop to consider the

> messenger

> and his or her message before following them down a bad path. This goes

> for

> my post too. If you believe me not to be worthy of your consideration then

> that's alright too, but please " consider the source " when on these e-mail

> lists. The following is the information I found on this fallacious Rife

> technology. Keep in mind that I did not go to Lexus Nexus or any other

> science based database of information because I believed it a waste of

> time

> when I concluded the Wikipedia information to be credible enough to adhere

> to it. You can read more by visiting www.wikipedia.com and searching for

> the

> Rife machine's inventor using his name to read-up on Rife microscopes and

> subsequent Rife technology.

>

> " ...In sharp contrast, electron microscopy has failed to replicate his

> observations, making it extremely unlikely that these microscopes ever

> functioned as claimed. "

>

> " No paper submitted to a peer-reviewed medical journal, nor any details of

> the diagnoses of the patients before or after treatment are available. In

> 1935 Rife's work was revived by interested businessmen in the 1980s. An

> interest in Rife himself was revived by author Barry Lynes, who wrote a

> book

> about Rife entitled The Cancer Cure That Worked. This led to such groups

> as

> the Bioelectromagnetics Society. Scientists generally characterize Rife's

> claims as patently absurd when examined critically. Those who claim to be

> continuing Rife's work today are accused of ignoring the scientific

> method,

> and their work is written off as pseudo-science. Both Rife's original work

> and current theoretical and commercial offerings, such as Rife plasma lamp

> devices, remain completely unsupported by peer-reviewed research and are

> condemned as quackery, confidence trickery and fraud by Quackwatch and

> other

> skeptics of

> alternative medicine who take the same view of Rife and his work as

> Fishbein

> supposedly did in the first half of the 20th century. "

>

> " In the late 1980's a company by the name of " Life Energy Resources "

> mass-produced a device they called the " REM SuperPro Generator " on the

> foundation of

> Rife's work (giving the acronym REM for Rife's Electromagnetic). Three of

> the company's top distributors: Pat Ballistrea, Ricotta, and

> Strandberg, served prison time for device health fraud and selling

> unapproved medical devices and drugs as a result of their trials in 1993,

> 1994, and 1995. "

>

> " By the end of the millennium, devices using Rife's name were widely

> available from many commercial sources. This included microscopes claiming

> to be derived from Rife's " Universal microscope, " as well as devices

> advertised as " Beam Ray " equivalents claiming to cure anything from the

> common cold via Lyme disease to cancer. Peer-reviewed research reporting

> any

> real effects of these machines or the technology involved was not

> available.

> It was not clear whether or not any of these devices were actually based

> on

> Rife's work. Growing criticism from mainstream science and demands for

> government intervention were apparent in the media. One example was a

> December 2000 Sydney Morning Herald article

> that stated " Cancer sufferers have died after putting their faith in a

> device with electrical parts worth just $15. " Some countries saw the

> advent

> of " Rife " clinics which attracted customers worldwide, once again without

> independent verification or accreditation. "

>

> Thank you for your time,

>

> _______________________________________________

> BlindCoolTech mailing list

> BlindCoolTech@ <mailto:BlindCoolTech%40lists.luv2bablyndi.net>

lists.luv2bablyndi.net

> http://lists.

<http://lists.luv2bablyndi.net/listinfo.cgi/blindcooltech-luv2bablyndi.net>

luv2bablyndi.net/listinfo.cgi/blindcooltech-luv2bablyndi.net

December 17, 2006

Group, and :

EMEM and Bare-Rife devices work in many cases, and I'd put either of

them up against cases of the flu - overnight recovery dozens of times.

Against cell cultures: I have not seen them do anything much to date,

suggesting that what plasma lamp emissions do is to stimulate the body's

immune system.

Since the " skeptics " community is so convinced that nothing but

allopathic medicine works (along with the many pharmaceutical products

which now are known to cause cancer, heart disease, etc,) it would seem

that they would be interested in supporting factual scientific tests of

Plasma Lamp effects.

Do I hear any takers? Why do plasma lamp exposures of 880 hertz cause

someone who is a bit under the weather to go to sleep - often almost

instantly, while the same person when feeling good has no effect from

said exposure?

The Skeptics Society is a bit too bound to so-called " scientific "

evidence for me. An open mind has no place in their closed society; I

dropped out years ago.

Most health care plans now cover chiropractic, acupuncture and numerous

other treatment methods which were considered quackery just 20 years

ago. A look at the Complimentary and Alternative Health Centers at some

modern and well-known Medical Centers finds treatments " known " to be

outlandish and ineffective " quackery " not many years ago.

All too often we are blinded by the " facts " without any real evidence as

to the truth. How many times has some expert proclaimed things which

later proved to be misleading if not false? How many medical studies

later prove to be biased by some researcher getting paid under the table

by the manufacturer? One of the researchers who discovered that damaged

chromosomes promoted some forms of breast cancer made the statement

" Show me the DATA. " How often have these " Experts " actually looked at

the data before making their pronouncements?

- yes indeed there are Quacks, and indeed some of them are

promoting " Rife " devices. And of course there is the problem with many

promoters claiming they have a " Rife " device when sometimes the only

connection to Rife's work is a thought or two in their minds. The

promise of a fast buck finds buyers and sellers in many fields. You

might research the work of Milbank , MD, in the Rife era. Highly

conservative and well connected politically in the Los Angeles of the

early 1900's, he thought that Rife plasma lamps did indeed have

something going for them. Do your own research, rather than listening

to the claims of many about the " Rife Story " , and you may find you've

already been snookered by listening to those who promote a Rife history

which only partially happened. Wikipedia has some of the same problems.

Dave Felt

http://www.dfe.net

" One who has seen Plasma Lamps work too many times to be coincidence. "

Josh wrote:

> Hi,

>

> How do I handle people like this? Can some of you people help me in

> explaining to this person that rife technology when used correctly is not

> dangerous and that alternative medicine is not dangerous when used correctly

> and in its propper manner?

>

> Josh

>

> [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

>

>>Hi listers,

>>

>>My name is Quon and I'm a new lister who has been reading all your

>>great posts for a few weeks now. I have two comments. My first is that I

>>have been really, really enjoying the immense amount of talent and

>>creativity from all of you podcasters. I am seriously considering

>>purchasing

>>the necessary equipment to create my own podcasts if I can generate the

>>courage to do so. (smile)

>>

>>Now my second comment for which I apologize in advance...

>>

>>I have recently received a Bachelor of Science degree in biology and would

>>like to respectfully chime in on this rife machine and its alleged

>>beneficial effects. I would first like to state that I am a life long

>>fanatical follower of his excellence Shermer. For those who don't

>>know, Shermer is the editor and creator of Skeptic Magazine and

>>has

>>made such profound statements as the following: " ...Evolution happened,

>>and

>>the theory describing it is one of the most well founded in all of

>>science.

>>Then why do half of all Americans reject it?--brilliant aint he! " With

>>that

>>preface regarding my point of view out in the open, this rife machine has

>>been a fraud for some 70 years now. If it was so useful it would be a part

>>of all household furniture from its date of invention. I normally go right

>>to Lexus-Nexus to research any new reports on biological breakthroughs,

>>but

>>because this rife machine sounded so incredibly bogus I only went as far

>>as

>>Wikipedia to research the veracity of its claims. I will present snippets

>>of

>>the findings below, but before I do so I would like to convey my thoughts

>>on

>>this and other scientific subject matter.

>>

>>I would like to respectfully submit that because we receive many messages

>>from many listers, we should really consider the source of information at

>>all times. Just like you wouldn't seriously consider medical advice from

>>someone you met on the street, on the bus, or sitting on a bar stool, we

>>should be just as cautious on user lists. I really do not want to come off

>>as combative on my first few posts, and I apologize to Josh, but I think

>>this is a great opportunity to convey my thoughts in a friendly yet

>>pertinent manner. I hope I'm wrong, but from what I have read I believe

>>Josh

>>is in his early 20's and I believe he stated he doesn't have a formal

>>scientific or medical education, so his posts concerning medicine and

>>medical treatments should really be questioned at the very least. He also

>>posted a link to a website promoting the veracity of this Rife technology.

>>Anyone, absolutely anyone can create a webpage making just about any claim

>>including a hotline to any God you can imagine. The claim regarding

>>pharmaceutical companies colluding to prevent the discovery of a cure for

>>cancer is patently insane from any perspective. There are literally

>>hundreds

>>of forms of cancers, the pharmaceutical companies can make much, much

>>more

>>money in a discovery of a cure for cancer because of the great need around

>>the world. Remember, the most riches corperations in the world are

>>pharmaceutical companies--yes, even more money is generated from

>>pharmaceuticals than oil--you can live without an automobile but you will

>>pay an arm and a leg for Tylenol if the headache is great enough. This is

>>of

>>course because science and the medicine it produces is our true savior. In

>>other words, this great medical donation conspiracy claim is unfounded,

>>but

>>I believe not all will agree with me of course. Josh made a mention in one

>>of his posts regarding a cure for AIDS and a governmental cover-up yet he

>>never did provide any substantive follow-up information. He also

>>mentioned:

>> " Practitioners have been put in jail for making statements which may in

>>fact

>>be true. And which are true because I've read hundreds of letters saying

>>about how the rife technology has changed peoples' lives. " Because Josh

>>read

>>hundreds of letters doesn't qualify his information on this list as that

>>of

>>valid scientific data or expert testimony. Another problem with

>>superficial

>>understanding of scientific data is the following: " The rife technology

>>works on the principals of physics. " Everything we experience in this

>>world

>>is processed through our human senses, which of course means that it is

>>all

>>processed through the laws of physics from cells, to tissues, to organs,

>>to

>>the 11 life supporting physiological body systems--in other words many of

>>these crazy ideas are to some extent supported by general scientific fact,

>>which of course the proponents exploit to seem credible. To illustrate

>>this

>>in a disgusting yet memorable manner, my physiology professor conveyed to

>>our lab that whenever you pass by a doggie landmine (the number one enemy

>>to

>>a blind person), and if you smell the odor, you are actually experiencing

>>molecules of the fecal matter making contact with the many olfactory

>>membranes in your nose. In other words, the odor you are smelling is

>>actually fecal substance that has become airborne and lodge in your

>>nose--just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there! Think

>>about

>>that next time you smell someone's many body odors. Josh pasted what he

>>believed to be " technical " information regarding this Rife technology, and

>>on the surface, to someone who doesn't have the expertise to decipher the

>>medical gibberish, it may appear to be credible, but a cursory read by any

>>detailed oriented individual will lead to the one and only

>>conclusion--dismissal of the Rife claims.

>>

>>I seriously hope I did not step on any toes, but My main contention with

>>these types of posts is that we should really stop to consider the

>>messenger

>>and his or her message before following them down a bad path. This goes

>>for

>>my post too. If you believe me not to be worthy of your consideration then

>>that's alright too, but please " consider the source " when on these e-mail

>>lists. The following is the information I found on this fallacious Rife

>>technology. Keep in mind that I did not go to Lexus Nexus or any other

>>science based database of information because I believed it a waste of

>>time

>>when I concluded the Wikipedia information to be credible enough to adhere

>>to it. You can read more by visiting www.wikipedia.com and searching for

>>the

>>Rife machine's inventor using his name to read-up on Rife microscopes and

>>subsequent Rife technology.

>>

>> " ...In sharp contrast, electron microscopy has failed to replicate his

>>observations, making it extremely unlikely that these microscopes ever

>>functioned as claimed. "

>>

>> " No paper submitted to a peer-reviewed medical journal, nor any details of

>>the diagnoses of the patients before or after treatment are available. In

>>1935 Rife's work was revived by interested businessmen in the 1980s. An

>>interest in Rife himself was revived by author Barry Lynes, who wrote a

>>book

>>about Rife entitled The Cancer Cure That Worked. This led to such groups

>>as

>>the Bioelectromagnetics Society. Scientists generally characterize Rife's

>>claims as patently absurd when examined critically. Those who claim to be

>>continuing Rife's work today are accused of ignoring the scientific

>>method,

>>and their work is written off as pseudo-science. Both Rife's original work

>>and current theoretical and commercial offerings, such as Rife plasma lamp

>>devices, remain completely unsupported by peer-reviewed research and are

>>condemned as quackery, confidence trickery and fraud by Quackwatch and

>>other

>>skeptics of

>>alternative medicine who take the same view of Rife and his work as

>>Fishbein

>>supposedly did in the first half of the 20th century. "

>>

>> " In the late 1980's a company by the name of " Life Energy Resources "

>>mass-produced a device they called the " REM SuperPro Generator " on the

>>foundation of

>>Rife's work (giving the acronym REM for Rife's Electromagnetic). Three of

>>the company's top distributors: Pat Ballistrea, Ricotta, and

>>Strandberg, served prison time for device health fraud and selling

>>unapproved medical devices and drugs as a result of their trials in 1993,

>>1994, and 1995. "

>>

>> " By the end of the millennium, devices using Rife's name were widely

>>available from many commercial sources. This included microscopes claiming

>>to be derived from Rife's " Universal microscope, " as well as devices

>>advertised as " Beam Ray " equivalents claiming to cure anything from the

>>common cold via Lyme disease to cancer. Peer-reviewed research reporting

>>any

>>real effects of these machines or the technology involved was not

>>available.

>>It was not clear whether or not any of these devices were actually based

>>on

>>Rife's work. Growing criticism from mainstream science and demands for

>>government intervention were apparent in the media. One example was a

>>December 2000 Sydney Morning Herald article

>>that stated " Cancer sufferers have died after putting their faith in a

>>device with electrical parts worth just $15. " Some countries saw the

>>advent

>>of " Rife " clinics which attracted customers worldwide, once again without

>>independent verification or accreditation. "

>>

>>Thank you for your time,

>>

December 18, 2006

Quackwatch, is funded by large corporations and generally print what they

are told, I use it for Joke of the Day

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of

settostun1@...

Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:02 PM

To: Rife

Subject: Re: Fw: [bCT] Alternative Medicine is dangerous

To Quon,

So you checked out quack watch.Read what they have to say about Rife on

wikpedia.SO WHAT!!! Do your own research.Get your hands on a Rife device and

draw YOUR own conclusions.

Ted

December 18, 2006

Just remember for centuries the earth was flat and the sun revolved around

the earth

Terry

_____

From: Rife [mailto:Rife ] On Behalf Of Dave

Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:08 PM