Re: $65 20MHz Frequency Generator Kit/ Rife Pad Device

August 19, 2006

>

> Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

> http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

>

> It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

> The output is only 10VPP AC.

>

> To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

> for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

> when building this. There is an output level control, which also

> allow you to adjust for positive offset.

>

> Bil

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

It looks like junk. I would go on ebay and bid on a BK function

generator. I recently say a BK 4011 go for a little over $100.00. PA

August 20, 2006

Hi rpautrey2,

Why would you say that? This just happens to use a good freq

generator chip.

From an experienced tech's point of view it looks good to me. One

of the nicer kits I've seen. Most don't even have an enclosure,

let alone silk screened panels.

The B & K 4011 you mentioned tends to drift and certainly doesn't

go anywhere near 20MHz. Most of the test equipment on ebay " is "

junk in that the people selling it don't even know how (or care)

to test it out. They usually say something like " everything

lights up " .

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

r>

>>

>> Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

>> http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

>>

>> It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

>> The output is only 10VPP AC.

>>

>> To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

>> for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

>> when building this. There is an output level control, which also

>> allow you to adjust for positive offset.

>>

>> Bil

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

r> It looks like junk. I would go on ebay and bid on a BK function

r> generator. I recently say a BK 4011 go for a little over $100.00. PA

r>

August 20, 2006

Hi Bil,

Look up the Elenco FG500. A rock solid little analogue function generator that

can be foun at under $50 online at many dealers. As far as p.p. voltage is

concerned, even 3v is more than adequate. " It's not the power, it's the

precision. " I think this one is 20v p.p., I may be wrondg

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

Bil Green wrote:

Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

The output is only 10VPP AC.

To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

when building this. There is an output level control, which also

allow you to adjust for positive offset.

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

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August 21, 2006

I thought I read 2V P-P(RMS,50ohms,?). I wouldn't even try something

with that low of an output.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-

-- In Rife , Bil Green wrote:

>

> Hi rpautrey2,

>

> Why would you say that? This just happens to use a good freq

> generator chip.

>

> From an experienced tech's point of view it looks good to me. One

> of the nicer kits I've seen. Most don't even have an enclosure,

> let alone silk screened panels.

>

> The B & K 4011 you mentioned tends to drift and certainly doesn't

> go anywhere near 20MHz. Most of the test equipment on ebay " is "

> junk in that the people selling it don't even know how (or care)

> to test it out. They usually say something like " everything

> lights up " .

>

> Bil

>

> PC 1000

> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

> http://magpulser.com

> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>

> mailto:magpulser@...

>

> r>

> >>

> >> Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

> >> http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

> >>

> >> It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

> >> The output is only 10VPP AC.

> >>

> >> To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

> >> for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

> >> when building this. There is an output level control, which also

> >> allow you to adjust for positive offset.

> >>

> >> Bil

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>

> r> It looks like junk. I would go on ebay and bid on a BK function

> r> generator. I recently say a BK 4011 go for a little over

$100.00. PA

>

August 21, 2006

Hi rpautrey2,

As I mentioned in the first e-mail this voltage can be greatly

increased. The output of most function generators is only 15VPP.

A small amp is need to boost the signal unless large pads are

used.

BTW, your body resistance is much higher than 50 ohms. So the

output voltage will be closer to 10VPP. 50 ohms drags the voltage

way down.

This kit is for people that can't afford a 20MHz function

generator (they ain't cheep).

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

r> I thought I read 2V P-P(RMS,50ohms,?). I wouldn't even try something

r> with that low of an output.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-

r> -- In Rife , Bil Green wrote:

>>

>> Hi rpautrey2,

>>

>> Why would you say that? This just happens to use a good freq

>> generator chip.

>>

>> From an experienced tech's point of view it looks good to me. One

>> of the nicer kits I've seen. Most don't even have an enclosure,

>> let alone silk screened panels.

>>

>> The B & K 4011 you mentioned tends to drift and certainly doesn't

>> go anywhere near 20MHz. Most of the test equipment on ebay " is "

>> junk in that the people selling it don't even know how (or care)

>> to test it out. They usually say something like " everything

>> lights up " .

>>

>> Bil

>>

>> PC 1000

>> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

>> http://magpulser.com

>> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>>

>> mailto:magpulser@...

>>

>> r>

>> >>

>> >> Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

>> >> http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

>> >>

>> >> It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

>> >> The output is only 10VPP AC.

>> >>

>> >> To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

>> >> for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

>> >> when building this. There is an output level control, which also

>> >> allow you to adjust for positive offset.

>> >>

>> >> Bil

>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>

>> r> It looks like junk. I would go on ebay and bid on a BK function

>> r> generator. I recently say a BK 4011 go for a little over

r> $100.00. PA

>>

r>

August 21, 2006

What can be used to (cheaply) monitor the freq output of this unit?

> Hi Ian,

>

> I built one of these for someone. It's better than nothing, but

> without a fine tune control (and only 3 ranges) it can be

> annoying to adjust the knob.

>

> The Elenco FG-500 goes as high as 1MHz and uses one 9V battery

> (less than 9V output). You can wire two 9V batteries is series

> for more voltage.

>

> I've never heard of anyone using just a few volts for Rifing. I

> can't say that it won't work, but does sound too weak.

>

> My feeling is that you may as well get the advantages of a blood

> electrifier while you're Rifing (since 20V or more is so common

> with pad devices anyway).

>

> Bil

>

> PC 1000

> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

> http://magpulser.com

> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>

August 21, 2006

Hi,

Radio Shack has an excellent handheld multimeter with a frequency counter built

in at retail of $49.95. It works quite well.

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

artdogdesign wrote: What can

be used to (cheaply) monitor the freq output of this unit?

> Hi Ian,

>

> I built one of these for someone. It's better than nothing, but

> without a fine tune control (and only 3 ranges) it can be

> annoying to adjust the knob.

>

> The Elenco FG-500 goes as high as 1MHz and uses one 9V battery

> (less than 9V output). You can wire two 9V batteries is series

> for more voltage.

>

> I've never heard of anyone using just a few volts for Rifing. I

> can't say that it won't work, but does sound too weak.

>

> My feeling is that you may as well get the advantages of a blood

> electrifier while you're Rifing (since 20V or more is so common

> with pad devices anyway).

>

> Bil

>

> PC 1000

> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

> http://magpulser.com

> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>

August 22, 2006

Here is another DMM with the Frequency option that a real bargain at only

$28

http://www.mcminone.com/product

asp?catalog%5Fname=MCMProducts & product%5Fid=202%2D240

-- Re: $65 20MHz Frequency Generator Kit/ Rife Pad Device

Hi,

Radio Shack has an excellent handheld multimeter with a frequency counter

built in at retail of $49.95. It works quite well.

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

artdogdesign wrote: What can be used to (cheaply) monitor

the freq output of this unit?

> Hi Ian,

>

> I built one of these for someone. It's better than nothing, but

> without a fine tune control (and only 3 ranges) it can be

> annoying to adjust the knob.

>

> The Elenco FG-500 goes as high as 1MHz and uses one 9V battery

> (less than 9V output). You can wire two 9V batteries is series

> for more voltage.

>

> I've never heard of anyone using just a few volts for Rifing. I

> can't say that it won't work, but does sound too weak.

>

> My feeling is that you may as well get the advantages of a blood

> electrifier while you're Rifing (since 20V or more is so common

> with pad devices anyway).

>

> Bil

>

> PC 1000

> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

> http://magpulser.com

> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>

August 22, 2006

OOPS! The link didn't work. Here is the part number: go to www.mcminone.com

and search part

#202-240.

-- Re: $65 20MHz Frequency Generator Kit/ Rife Pad Device

Hi,

Radio Shack has an excellent handheld multimeter with a frequency counter

built in at retail of $49.95. It works quite well.

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

artdogdesign wrote: What can be used to (cheaply) monitor

the freq output of this unit?

> Hi Ian,

>

> I built one of these for someone. It's better than nothing, but

> without a fine tune control (and only 3 ranges) it can be

> annoying to adjust the knob.

>

> The Elenco FG-500 goes as high as 1MHz and uses one 9V battery

> (less than 9V output). You can wire two 9V batteries is series

> for more voltage.

>

> I've never heard of anyone using just a few volts for Rifing. I

> can't say that it won't work, but does sound too weak.

>

> My feeling is that you may as well get the advantages of a blood

> electrifier while you're Rifing (since 20V or more is so common

> with pad devices anyway).

>

> Bil

>

> PC 1000

> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

> http://magpulser.com

> Mammoth Lakes, CA

>

August 22, 2006

> >>

> >> Here's a 20MHz frequency generator kit at an amazingly low price

> >> http://webtronics.stores.yahoo.net/kit10120fung.html

> >>

> >> It includes the enclosure (with labeled front and rear panels)

> >> The output is only 10VPP AC.

> >>

> >> To use as a pad device you could apply +/- 9V (two 9V batteries

> >> for instance) or more (instead of +/- 5V) to the output stage

> >> when building this. There is an output level control, which also

> >> allow you to adjust for positive offset.

> >>

> >> Bil

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>

> r> It looks like junk. I would go on ebay and bid on a BK function

> r> generator. I recently say a BK 4011 go for a little over

$100.00. PA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In defense of my statement:1)I have an A.A.S. degree in

Electronics, A B.S. in Natural Resources Management, and an M.S. in

Physical Geography with a minor in Biology(research into the

distribution of fungus/yeast/mold). 2) I was a Biomedical Electronic

Technician(BMED) in the Army for 6 years. 3)I worked as an audio

technician for many years. 4) I have been researching electrotherapy

since 1994. 5) I understand the importance of nomenclature when

describing technical or scientific instruments. When giving the

voltage output specification for a function generator the norm is to

give P-P and RMS voltage within a specific frequency range, with a

specific type of waveform( example - Sine, Square, Triangle, Pulsed,

etc.) with a specific output impedance and into a certain load( open

circuit,50 ohms, 500 ohms, etc.) The output of the device is 2V( not

10V or 20V) P-P and up to 20MHz in 3 ranges with coarse/fine variable

freq. control. That is not very good adjustability/resolution. There

is no frequency counter and it is a kit. That is all we really know

about the unit. Because the wording of the generator description is

so vague I consider it deceptive. 6) Most people would not be capable

of building this if they didn't have technical skills and why should

they have to modify it( void warranty if fries) with vague

suggestions and no detail to be able to use it for the purposes of

medical treatment? 7) The alternative electrotherapy field is

saturated with fraud and placebo devices. 8) The tube equipment Rife

used was no more stable or accurate than most low end function

generators( test equip. ) used today. From what I have read about his

equipment from the late 1940's, it may have never worked. 9) Read

Clinical Electrotherapy by and Currier if you want to see what

really works. This is a mainstream medical textbook and yes, they do

cure infections with electrotherapy. 10) I own a BK 4011A and it does

drift( readjust ), and you have to warm it up for about 10 minutes to

become a lot more stable, but it works for what I use it for every

time. It also has a frequency counter, a whole lot more ranges and

adjustment, 20V P-P with an open circuit (10V P-P with a

sine/square/triangle wave into 50 ohms), and I didn't have to build

it. 11) Bob Beck duplicated the Rife/Crane Pad device ( modified Eico

377/Heathkit)with a more modern BK 3011 and the addition of a stepup

transformer for higher output. I am sure it was no more stable and

drifted just as much as the BK 4011A. 11) If you are using squrewaves

with full positve dc offset as Hulda suggests, and microbes

have a bandwidth, readjusting frequencies because of drift may be

beneficial. 12) Low voltage does have it's place in electotherapy.

Iontopheresis and tissue regeneration are two examples.

Becker,M.D. has demonstrated this. 13) My point is this, the BK has

it's applications in electrotherapy as do other devices, but sick

people should not have to weed through fraud, ineffectiveness,

quackery, placebo effects, poor advice, misunderstandings,

misdirection, incompatability, complications, etc., etc., etc.

Autrey

August 22, 2006

3-3/4 Digits & 1MHz.

Bil Green wrote:

> Hi Ian,

>

> How many digits and what's the highest frequency? I find the

> cheap ones tend to have very little resolution.

>

> Bil

August 22, 2006

Wow! Impressive Resume'

I can only say that it doesn't require a huge resume' nor does it necessitate a

lengthy list of qualifications in order for one to become an efficient and

effective researcher in this field.

I will not take this statement apart, nor will I dissect and destroy the

inaccuracies in application of ideas, that is not productive.

Go forth and experiment folks ... you are all doing a great job! My team and I

have gleaned so much valuable information and made valuable contacts (we have

even hired two of you) in our research.

Respects to All,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. & Team

rpautrey2 wrote: