Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS

[Guest guest]

I want to add to what Bruce has so eloquently and caringly explained. The

notions that " bigger is better " and " more, not less will do the job, " is a

typical Western mindset that has little basis in the reality of how living

organisms operate. The cells are exquisitely sensitive to all types of

electromagnetic, electrical, and magnetic fields--so much so, that being

near power lines can produce ill health in a very short period. And,

conversely, the tiniest amounts of, say, electrical current (as with Carolyn

McMakin's microcurrent system) can heal.

There are many variables that contribute to what makes an electronal device

work; the engineers on this list know this very well and can explain it

better than I can. However, what I do have personal experience and clinical

knowledge of is how responsive people (and animals) can be when they get

what they need. Often, it doesn't have to be a lot; it simply has to be

precise. Not everyone needs huge doses of whatever they are taking. I also

concede that not everyone can respond (or is aware of responding) to what

might be regarded as homeopathic doses of electricity and magnetism.

Nevertheless, as Bruce pointed out, the +combination+ of burdens that we are

subjected to in this modern age often can cause dis-ease whereas a single

burden might not have that effect. Many people who begin experimenting with

frequency devices have exhausted other possibilities and are pretty sick

when they begin Rifing. It would seem, then, that it's worth being extra

careful about EM fields, and it might save someone's life to listen to them

describe their symptoms--which may be the result of an electrical device

rather than die-off (Herxheimer) reactions.

A great book that explains about electro-sensitivity, simply and clearly and

accurately, is D. Blake Levitt's Electromagnetic Fields.

Best to all,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce,

You gave this link (a few lines below here) apparently relating

to our discussion. But all it talks about is the problem with

60Hz fields. As I recall the main discussion was about RF and

various EM fields (not just 60Hz).

Also, you say on that page that your Electrostorm plasma globe

uses 60Hz to power the plasma lamp. No, it uses a ~30kHz high

voltage flyback. This is Very different from 60Hz. Here's what

you said...

BKS> http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/es-disc.htm

" I own one of the Electrostorm lamps, too; it also uses a 60 Hz

powered transformer to drive the plasma bulb "

BKS> BKS: Recent figures (2002?) in the U.S. are that about 15%

BKS> or more of the people are presently having

BKS> electro-sensitivity problems to the extent that it affects

BKS> their quality of life;

These errors make me think twice about your other figures...

Out of the millions of people that ride in gasoline engine

powered cars and trucks there must be extremely few that complain

or need to stop due to the EMF or RF from the ignition system

under the hood. I'm sure very few of us have ever met someone

with these complaints.

The other experienced Rifers are not replying to these messages.

If they felt the spark is such a big deal some of them probably

would have.

If people that have lyme tend to become electrosensitive, then I

agree they should be more careful, and of course use less power

(at least at first) when using certain alternative equipment.

The good thing about our new EMEM plasma tube unit is that there

will be so much control over the E-field and electromagnetic

field, as well as another type of field (not to be disclosed

now). And all easily adjustable down to zero.

I don't want to go on and on about this. Enough said.

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

BKS>

BKS> >>

BKS> >> Hi Bruce,

BKS> >>

BKS> >>BG I did go through your entire e-mail, regarding the spark gap.

BKS> >>

BKS> >>BG The only reason I would add a spark as an OPTION is because some

BKS> >> people have been reported to benefit from this. People reading

BKS> >> your post need not be very concerned, since they don't have to

BKS> >> use the option (and they can even request that it not be included

BKS> >> in their model).

BKS> >>

BKS> >>BG If there are too many people who are electro- sensitive I will not

BKS> >> add the spark function to any models. I do appreciate your

BKS> >> advice.

BKS> BKS: Recent figures (2002?) in the U.S. are that about 15% or more of the

people

BKS> are presently having electro-sensitivity problems to the extent that it

affects

BKS> their quality of life; the trend is that this is increasing steadily, and

it may

BKS> well already be substantially above that by now. This should be disturbing

to

BKS> everyone.

BKS> In contrast, in about 1930, Nikola Tesla was the only one I've heard of who

was

BKS> ever reported to have developed electro-sensitivity from his research

BKS> experiments. [source: Dr. L. Oschman's book, " Energy Medicine- the

BKS> Scientific Basis " .]

BKS> The factor to understand is the ANYONE may begin to be far more sensitive

BKS> quickly due to unrecognized factors that are added into their living /

working

BKS> environment- things beyond their comprehension or control; I have come

across a

BKS> lot of people who " didn't used to be bothered by those things " that now

find

BKS> life far more challenging.... and more challenging each month, each year.

BKS> And in light of today's 'advancing technology', the 'environmental

stressors'

BKS> which people are exposed to will only continue to increase. (The 1930s

slipped

BKS> away 66 years ago, and with it, the substantially unpolluted environment in

BKS> which Tesla, Lahkovsky, Abrams, and Rife first did research... the game has

BKS> changed radically...)

BKS> >>BG I don't recall in your recent posts your mention of just

BKS> >> how many sick people are very sensitive to very low levels of RF.

BKS> BKS : By the time I hear from some of the people who have had their

conditions

BKS> aggravated or their health condition deteriorate from using equipment with

spark

BKS> gaps (or other added RF / chaos /noise generators), they invariably have

dropped

BKS> out of communication on any of the lists. Why might this be?

BKS> Maybe many of are disillusioned that they may have been misled by those

seeming

BKS> to claim some 'authority', but who themselves disregard the reports and

cautions

BKS> which have been offered. They simply no longer trust the advice or veracity

of

BKS> what they were told.

BKS> Some of them, like Bill M. in B.C. and in Toronto, have followed the

advice

BKS> of some, only to find themselves to severely affected that the can no

longer

BKS> tolerate being near a computer, so they drop out of communication- out of

a

BKS> basic need for self-preservation. (It took Bill M. over ten months of

moving

BKS> outside and sleeping in his old tent before he got back in touch with me

via an

BKS> email; it's still rare to get a message from him, but he was still

surviving

BKS> about 6 to 8 months ago when I last head from him- still hyper-sensitive

after

BKS> all of these years, but able to occasionally communicate. But he has not

BKS> recovered to where he had been prior to using the EMEM-2 and the " Enhancer "

MWO.

BKS> Because I have had the MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity / Environmental

BKS> Sensitivity information, and the

BKS> http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/es-disc.htm

BKS> precautionary page on the adverse reactions to EMF / RF -

[Electro-Sensitivity]

BKS> on my web site since back in the 1990s, I'm someone who hears from others

with

BKS> environmental and electrical / EMF / RF sensitivity... and some of the

BKS> situations I hear about make me both sad for how their lives have been

BKS> devastated, and also angry at those who, in their rush to exploit what they

see

BKS> as an 'easy market', will ignore cautions. from California gave me

her

BKS> promise that she would carefully write out the details of how a very few

brief

BKS> exposure sessions to an EMEM7DV with spark gap 'totally messed her up'...

but

BKS> she never followed through on that promise, so I can not pass along her

story in

BKS> her words. Her brain fog and sensitivities had become a major challenge to

her,

BKS> on top of the Lyme she was trying to deal with, so it seems that she was

either

BKS> diverted by other concerns, or simply lost the ability and willingness to

follow

BKS> through on her promise.

BKS> Cary in Texas could not tolerate using the early 1998 model EMEM2+ which I

had

BKS> built for her (with the spark gap included) for her battle with Lyme; she

was

BKS> already too hyper-sensitive. Once I told her later how to eliminate the

spark

BKS> gap, she began to be able to use it on the lower output power level

settings for

BKS> limited times on a limited number of frequencies per session, so she has

begun

BKS> to make gradual progress. She reports that if the power level is set up

above a

BKS> certain level, she experiences what we are now recognizing as " collateral

BKS> adverse reactions " - reactions that are not experienced by those sensitive

Lyme

BKS> sufferers when the power level is kept within their 'window of positive

response'.

BKS> Yes, that's what is being reported: when a helpful frequency is run at too

high

BKS> a power level, these sensitive Lyme sufferers instead begin to have

'adverse

BKS> collateral reactions'. With too much exposure at too high a power level,

they do

BKS> not see their condition improving, even though they are using the same

BKS> frequencies which other researchers fighting Lyme have used to become

totally

BKS> free of symptoms- some for many years now.

BKS> Unfortunately, I now expect that this " Over-Powered " approach is an all too

BKS> common situation- especially among Lyme sufferers- an ever expanding

portion of

BKS> the population.

BKS> " Quality, not Quantity, IS the Key! "

BKS> After 8-1/2 years of this research, I am more convinced of this than ever.

All

BKS> of the evidence is really there- that people without sensitivities to EMF /

RF /

BKS> Environmental factors *also* respond most positively to modest power levels

when

BKS> using the EM+ systems I designed. And no, Herx' reactions are rarely a part

of

BKS> their experience- the health challenges simply disappear. So if people do

not

BKS> respond that way to other equipment, then you should really be curious to

find

BKS> out what's not working in those designs.

BKS> And it may become more obvious by now to many researchers that *MORE* -

more

BKS> voltage, more current, more RF, and more chaotic noise- might be exactly

the

BKS> wrong way to go. It's most obvious with the people with the most severe

health

BKS> challenges- the ones closest to the edge; for them its very likely that

*MORE*

BKS> can be that last straw... the straw that breaks the camel's back, that tips

them

BKS> into that descending spiral of ever increasing environmental sensitivity,

BKS> decreasing quality of life...

BKS> Maybe, in light of this information, the people who have been competitively

BKS> marketing equipment based on this misguided clamor of " MORE POWER!- MORE

POWER!-

BKS> MORE POWER! " will begin to re-evaluate what they are advocating, and

actually do

BKS> some thorough in depth testing with quality test equipment, as well as

using

BKS> some of the available body response testing techniques to observe how a

wide

BKS> variety of individuals actually respond to their latest 'brain-child'.

Initial

BKS> responses are not as revealing as evaluating how they respond after

extended

BKS> periods of repeated use...

BKS> It might be time for some of this extensive re-evaluation before the

litigators

BKS> jump in.... at that point, what happened to Forrest after he

violated

BKS> the specific terms of the agreement he signed with the Federal Trade

Commission

BKS> will possibly seem rather mild by comparison. Let's work together to see if

we

BKS> can keep the situation from progressing to that level.

BKS> I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your

BKS> research!!!

BKS> Be Well- and *Be Careful!*

BKS> Bruce

BKS>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Electrosmog do cover the full spectrum,

DC, Static, 50/60Hz, RF, VHF/UHF, cell & all.

Even the electromagnetic fields associated with motors/AC, 11/22/33KV lines

etc.

gesi

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Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS

> Hi Bruce,

>

> You gave this link (a few lines below here) apparently relating

> to our discussion. But all it talks about is the problem with

> 60Hz fields. As I recall the main discussion was about RF and

> various EM fields (not just 60Hz).

>

> Also, you say on that page that your Electrostorm plasma globe

> uses 60Hz to power the plasma lamp. No, it uses a ~30kHz high

> voltage flyback. This is Very different from 60Hz. Here's what

> you said...

>

> BKS>

[Guest guest]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LIST MEMBERS:

If I come across as rather intolerant of Bil's nonsense today, you might take

into consideration that I have recently become aware of what has happened to

in Toronto - how he was misguided into severely harming himself in his

hopes to somehow hold the line in his prolonged battle with Lyme.... I feel very

badly for him, as we share these same sensitivities; I progress through my own

life by virtue of a rather rigid modus operandi of 'prudent avoidance.' His

underlying message can also come through as this: " There- but for the grace of

God, go you and I. It's sobering to know how quickly a person fighting serious

health challenges but still enjoying some quality of life can loose that. Since

the poor guy can not speak for himself here, and has asked me to do so for him,

I feel compelled to get this information into everyone's hands.

EVERYONE should look further for their own answers- the insights of other

researchers which are offered on these discussion lists should be understood to

only be offered as possible directions for further inquiry. Expecting things to

be spelled out simply, concisely, and completely may be unrealistic- research is

always ongoing, and understandings continue to be evolved and be refined.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bil Green wrote:

> Hi Bruce,

>

> You gave this link (a few lines below here) apparently relating

> to our discussion. But all it talks about is the problem with

> 60Hz fields. As I recall the main discussion was about RF and

> various EM fields (not just 60Hz).

Bil

I only offered a link to material which had previously been made available,

never said it would tell you everything you needed to know; I have repeatedly

told everyone to do further research and find there own answers- it's not my job

to spell it all out for you. You seem eager to attack, rather than researching

for yourself, and seem to be saying that since I have not spelled it all out for

you in really simple words, that I'm somehow to blame... I don't buy into that.

It's quite obvious by now that you don't like the message... but attempting to

shoot the messenger is not what the people with serious health challenges need.

>

> Also, you say on that page that your Electrostorm plasma globe

> uses 60Hz to power the plasma lamp. No, it uses a ~30kHz high

> voltage flyback. This is Very different from 60Hz. Here's what

> you said...

>

> BKS> http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/es-disc.htm

> " I own one of the Electrostorm lamps, too; it also uses a 60 Hz

> powered transformer to drive the plasma bulb "

I get energetically trashed very quickly when just walking past the plasma lamps

in Wal-Mart. The one I bought from Radio Shack several years ago may actually be

an " Ion Storm " or something with a similar name- it also had a very unsettling

and destabilizing effect on me, so it was packed back in it's box, and it's been

stored away for many years now after my attempt to use it following advice on

these forums... (that was a bad choice of exposures for me personally, but as

they say, " once burned, twice warned " ...

It's obvious to many now that beyond being powered off the 120 volt 60 Hz power

cord, it's emitting a wide spectrum of other signals... I could never tolerate

having mine turned on long enough to study it on the RF Spectrum Analyzer. If

you had further information on their emission characteristics, why would you

withhold it from people, and choose to try to use this issue to attack me?

WHO ARE YOU REALLY, AND WHAT IS YOUR REAL AGENDA, THAT YOU FEEL SO CHALLENGED BY

THIS RECENT INFORMATION - THAT YOU SHOULD RESPOND IN THIS WAY?

I'm left with the strong impression that information I've recently offered on

the lists as to how people with serious health challenges (Lyme, etc.) can end

up with their condition seriously aggravated or deteriorated by exposure to too

much of the wrong types of emissions, and that responses are most positive with

the least in the way of 'herx's' when power levels are judiciously selected and

plasma resonance characteristics are carefully optimized.

These concepts must really be devastating to the design, operational, and

marketing concepts around which your new " secret " machine is being built. (And

if your 'secret aspect' that you intend to put in your new machine is what I

suspect it is, you will really hate me when I disclose more unpublished

materials from my more recent research...)

Was it my passing along of in California's report of being " thoroughly

trashed " by just three sessions on an EM7DV type machine with it's spark gap

that set off this venomous attack in response? Do I remember correctly that your

new machine is a variant on that basic EM7DV design?

I remember when you first started calling me on the phone to try to " pick my

brains " several years ago (you must remember that you were the one who called

me on multiple occasions), that I tried to help you understand some of this, and

told you a lot of technical details arising from my own personal research which

were confidential and unpublished. You were a TV repair guy trying to get his

own EMEM machine to run then, and I gave you the help you asked for... and this

is how you repay my help. So be it!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I sincerely wish each and every one of you the best of insights and results in

your ongoing research - yes, including you Bil!

Be Well!!

Bruce

[Guest guest]

If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not talking

about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have not

heard of this.

We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill off,

and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same thing,

as well as SALT AND C protocal.

I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations, but

this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have any

EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

have this.

[Guest guest]

This is a forum regarding Rife.

Regarding EMF and electrosensibility, there are special forums for that

chapter.

Also with Yahoo.

And some german forums.

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS

> If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not talking

> about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have not

> heard of this.

> We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill off,

> and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same thing,

> as well as SALT AND C protocal.

> I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

> have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations, but

> this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have any

> EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

> have this.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS

> If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not talking

> about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have not

> heard of this.

> We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill off,

> and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same thing,

> as well as SALT AND C protocal.

> I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

> have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations, but

> this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have any

> EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

> have this.

Electromagnetic fields are all around us. They are so common, that people

who feel bad may not even realize what they are reacting to.

Every cell in the body emits electromagnetic radiation on various

wavelengths. They also emit electricity, and magnetism. These energies occur

in tiny amounts. But they reflect (and are reflected by) physical matter.

Researchers in the field understand how even small amounts of EMF can affect

living tissue, often detrimentally.

People mostly feel the effects of non-beneficial EMF as illness, since the

changes that occur in the cells produce biochemical changes in the tissues.

When the function and biochemistry of a cell is unfavorably altered,

pathogens can take hold and degeneration can occur.

This is why a discussion of EMF is quite relevant to a Rife list, and

certainly to an egroup on health in general.

Most people live in a flood of EMF. If you go into an area where there are

no power lines, computers, telephones, cell towers, etc., and decompress,

then -- and only then -- one might get a sense of the difference between

that area and an area that has EMF pollution that is so ubiquitous we think

of it as normal.

Researchers in Sweden and Britain and other countries are very well versed

in EMF pollution. It's not as well known or publicized here in the States.

Best regards,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

Hi Shirley,

My thoughts exactly, but I get blasted when I disagree with

Bruce. I'm sure he honestly ran into a few people with serious

electro-sensitivity.

You're so right. And after Bruce changed the subject line to all

caps you'd expect at least a couple replies from people that at

least know of someone with this condition.

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

m> If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not talking

m> about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have not

m> heard of this.

m> We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill off,

m> and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same thing,

m> as well as SALT AND C protocal.

m> I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

m> have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations, but

m> this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have any

m> EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

m> have this.

m>

[Guest guest]

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STRESSORS

> Hi Shirley,

>

> My thoughts exactly, but I get blasted when I disagree with

> Bruce. I'm sure he honestly ran into a few people with serious

> electro-sensitivity.

>

> You're so right. And after Bruce changed the subject line to all

> caps you'd expect at least a couple replies from people that at

> least know of someone with this condition.

>

> Bil

Bil,

Since you asked, I'll share some of my own responses. I have always felt

very uneasy under fluorescent lighting -- it has a back-and-forth flicker

invisible to the naked eye, but the emissions affect the brain nonetheless.

For several years now, I have felt sharp burning pains in the hand that

holds the computer mouse. It occurs only in my right hand (I'm

right-handed), and only when I'm working at the computer.

When I had a psychotherapy practice, I was seeing two women who were friends

(separate sessions). One day one of them told me how she and her friend had

huge fights that distressed her. She also mentioned that they fought only

when they were shopping. I asked her which store. Turned out it was the

supermarket that had fluorescent lights.

As an aside, since you ask why doesn't anyone else post about this if it's

such a serious problem: assuming they even know that their problems are

EMF-related (which they may not know), my own perception is that the

discussion has taken somewhat of a hostile tinge and I wonder if everyone

aware of having this problem would feel free to post. Just my perception.

Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Nenah the sharp burning pains in your " mouse " hand is probably nerve issues

having to do with carpal tunnel, a lot of people suffer from temporary or

permanent damage from using the mouse

Terry

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STRESSORS

> Hi Shirley,

>

> My thoughts exactly, but I get blasted when I disagree with Bruce. I'm

> sure he honestly ran into a few people with serious

> electro-sensitivity.

>

> You're so right. And after Bruce changed the subject line to all caps

> you'd expect at least a couple replies from people that at least know

> of someone with this condition.

>

> Bil

Bil,

Since you asked, I'll share some of my own responses. I have always felt

very uneasy under fluorescent lighting -- it has a back-and-forth flicker

invisible to the naked eye, but the emissions affect the brain nonetheless.

For several years now, I have felt sharp burning pains in the hand that

holds the computer mouse. It occurs only in my right hand (I'm

right-handed), and only when I'm working at the computer.

When I had a psychotherapy practice, I was seeing two women who were friends

(separate sessions). One day one of them told me how she and her friend had

huge fights that distressed her. She also mentioned that they fought only

when they were shopping. I asked her which store. Turned out it was the

supermarket that had fluorescent lights.

As an aside, since you ask why doesn't anyone else post about this if it's

such a serious problem: assuming they even know that their problems are

EMF-related (which they may not know), my own perception is that the

discussion has taken somewhat of a hostile tinge and I wonder if everyone

aware of having this problem would feel free to post. Just my perception.

Best,

Nenah

[Guest guest]

Sweden requires additional shielding for PC Crts that is not even considered

here, hmmm, makes you think no cares about our health here.

Terry

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STRESSORS

Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSORS

> If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not talking

> about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have not

> heard of this.

> We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill off,

> and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same thing,

> as well as SALT AND C protocal.

> I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

> have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations, but

> this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have any

> EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

> have this.

Electromagnetic fields are all around us. They are so common, that people

who feel bad may not even realize what they are reacting to.

Every cell in the body emits electromagnetic radiation on various

wavelengths. They also emit electricity, and magnetism. These energies occur

in tiny amounts. But they reflect (and are reflected by) physical matter.

Researchers in the field understand how even small amounts of EMF can affect

living tissue, often detrimentally.

People mostly feel the effects of non-beneficial EMF as illness, since the

changes that occur in the cells produce biochemical changes in the tissues.

When the function and biochemistry of a cell is unfavorably altered,

pathogens can take hold and degeneration can occur.

This is why a discussion of EMF is quite relevant to a Rife list, and

certainly to an egroup on health in general.

Most people live in a flood of EMF. If you go into an area where there are

no power lines, computers, telephones, cell towers, etc., and decompress,

then -- and only then -- one might get a sense of the difference between

that area and an area that has EMF pollution that is so ubiquitous we think

of it as normal.

Researchers in Sweden and Britain and other countries are very well versed

in EMF pollution. It's not as well known or publicized here in the States.

Best regards,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

* products and services for wellness

[Guest guest]

Many with fibromyalgia or similar illnesses (lyme, CFIDS) have EMF

sensitivity. Electrical appliances, cars, watches, street lights

etc. will often go haywire around people who have this problem. If

electronics or electrical devices break much more often for you than

is normal, then you may have some sensitivity or issues with EMF's.

My symptoms prior to solving it were that I would be quickly drained,

especially while using the computer. Bad for someone who loves

computers and was a computer programmer before becoming too ill to

work.

After wearing a diode for a few years my problem went away. I still

use an equipment diode on my computer. My husband is an electrical

engineer who trains electronic manufacturing technicians and he wears

one at work everyday.

I don't know why the diode helped but it seems to have desensitized

me. I don't need to wear one now. I have no interest in the company

and am only providing this link as a courtesy for those who may be

helped by it like I was.

http://www.energpolarit.com/cooks_classic_diodes.htm

My herbalist used muscle testing to determine that I needed a diode.

The second I put it on, I felt like I was being pulled down to the

earth. I have " loaned " diode's out to people and most everyone loves

them and I never get them back because they won't give them up. I

did give one to a friend who said that it made her feel like her left

side was being pulled on - made her feel a bit unbalanced so she did

not want to wear it. It's possible that she needed to be more

balanced and it would have equaled out but I have no idea if it would

have helped her because she didn't wear it for more than a few

minutes.

I'm not suggesting that the diode is for everyone, just that it

helped me. I used to be very sensitive to crystals, bodies of water,

magnetic products and even certain people so I think this had

something to do with my own energy field being quite weak and unable

to fend off energy from other sources.

I've been using rife for about 5-6 weeks and I find that it does not

bother me at this point other than the expected herx reactions. If

it were a problem EMF wise, I would expect to be VERY bothered during

the session itself which I am not.

Terry

>

> If so many people have sensativity to EMF how come they are not

talking

> about it on these forums. In the history records of Rife I have

not

> heard of this.

> We all know what a herxheimer is related to the toxins of the kill

off,

> and this does improve with time. Antibiotics can cause the same

thing,

> as well as SALT AND C protocal.

> I would like to hear more EMF stories. I have talked to people who

> have worked on the poles with wires, and some in radio stations,

but

> this remains a mystery to me. They do it 40 years, and do not have

any

> EMF stories. It is important (if your figgure of) 15% of the folks

> have this.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

With yr kind permission, my 2c here.

It might follow Paretos law which is also called natural distribution.

Remember 70/20/10 % distribution.

70% people are affected by electrosmog of 10%.

20% are affected in a medium 20% smog.

10% are with serious electro-sensitivity to 70% of smog.

They need to travel in diesel engined cars.

This is a natural distribution.

Huge chunk of 70% of countries wealth is held by small 10% of people

like Bill (Gates not Green), MJ, Madonna

& the like aristocrats.

20% is with 20% people.

Only a small 10% of wealth is held by huge proportion of 70% public.

This is only an example for clarity.

gesi

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> Subject: Re: Re: ADVERSE REACTIONS TO RF/ EMF, ENVIRONMENTAL

> STRESSORS

>

>

>> Hi Shirley,

>>

>> My thoughts exactly, but I get blasted when I disagree with

>> Bruce. I'm sure he honestly ran into a few people with serious

>> electro-sensitivity.

>>

>> You're so right. And after Bruce changed the subject line to all

>> caps you'd expect at least a couple replies from people that at

>> least know of someone with this condition.

>>

>> Bil