Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

July 17, 2006

Hi ,

Sounds like a scam to me to rip of people.

When I see deliberate lies on marketing material, my alarm bells go off.

e.g. The scammer states ...

---clip---

If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that folks are

calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are toys. They

include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money, that only

put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit of this

auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of frequencies

in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same as the

Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it.

---clip---

I haven't seen a Rife contact pad system that outputs 0.1 to 3 volts. They

don't exist as far as I know. I don't know anyone foolish enough to make

such a device.

The wellness machine and the GB4000 seem to output 2+watts, with voltages up

around 30 vpp+. Even the basic and simple zapper outputs a 9 volt

signal. The South African device is closer to 70vpp

The seller sounds like he is not intouch, or just simply using fear tactics

to get people in. Silly do all his so called research on Rife, then trash

the industry with lies.

I have designed simple transistor and op-amp circuits, very basic stuff,

with outputs upto 60 vpp, far stronger than this so call Rife machine.

Just my opinion, and I'm not even a Rife expert.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

> As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention to

> the Rife community.

>

> A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device is

> currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about 1960 of

> which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by the FDA

> at the time.

>

> This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

> workings of the original device which this replica is supposed to be a

> close copy of.

>

> Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I just

> felt it deserves a mention here.

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Rife-Frequency-Instrument-REPLICA_W0QQitemZ23000620\

2254QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4064QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>

July 17, 2006

I agree Ken.

In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has created

both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original device from

this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent locating parts,

duplicating the panels, cases and guages. Reproduction of an original device

would be far more daunting and costly than building something from scratch.

Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another knock-off

soon appears, then another and another...

Mike

Ken Uzzell wrote:

Hi ,

Sounds like a scam to me to rip of people.

When I see deliberate lies on marketing material, my alarm bells go off.

e.g. The scammer states ...

---clip---

If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that folks are

calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are toys. They

include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money, that only

put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit of this

auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of frequencies

in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same as the

Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it.

---clip---

I haven't seen a Rife contact pad system that outputs 0.1 to 3 volts. They

don't exist as far as I know. I don't know anyone foolish enough to make

such a device.

The wellness machine and the GB4000 seem to output 2+watts, with voltages up

around 30 vpp+. Even the basic and simple zapper outputs a 9 volt

signal. The South African device is closer to 70vpp

The seller sounds like he is not intouch, or just simply using fear tactics

to get people in. Silly do all his so called research on Rife, then trash

the industry with lies.

I have designed simple transistor and op-amp circuits, very basic stuff,

with outputs upto 60 vpp, far stronger than this so call Rife machine.

Just my opinion, and I'm not even a Rife expert.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

> As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention to

> the Rife community.

>

> A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device is

> currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about 1960 of

> which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by the FDA

> at the time.

>

> This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

> workings of the original device which this replica is supposed to be a

> close copy of.

>

> Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I just

> felt it deserves a mention here.

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Rife-Frequency-Instrument-REPLICA_W0QQitemZ23000620\

2254QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4064QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>

July 17, 2006

These units were the EICO 377 audio signal generator. Crane modified them

slightly and altered the front panel. For the most part there were

commercial products re-labeled and sold as pad type rife devices.

-- Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

I agree Ken.

In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has created

both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original device

from this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent

locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and guages. Reproduction of an

original device would be far more daunting and costly than building

something from scratch.

Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another knock-off

soon appears, then another and another...

Mike

Ken Uzzell wrote:

Hi ,

Sounds like a scam to me to rip of people.

When I see deliberate lies on marketing material, my alarm bells go off.

e.g. The scammer states ...

---clip---

If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that folks are

calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are toys. They

include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money, that only

put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit of this

auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of frequencies

in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same as the

Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it.

---clip---

I haven't seen a Rife contact pad system that outputs 0.1 to 3 volts. They

don't exist as far as I know. I don't know anyone foolish enough to make

such a device.

The wellness machine and the GB4000 seem to output 2+watts, with voltages up

around 30 vpp+. Even the basic and simple zapper outputs a 9 volt

signal. The South African device is closer to 70vpp

The seller sounds like he is not intouch, or just simply using fear tactics

to get people in. Silly do all his so called research on Rife, then trash

the industry with lies.

I have designed simple transistor and op-amp circuits, very basic stuff,

with outputs upto 60 vpp, far stronger than this so call Rife machine.

Just my opinion, and I'm not even a Rife expert.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

> As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention to

> the Rife community.

>

> A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device is

> currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about 1960 of

> which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by the FDA

> at the time.

>

> This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

> workings of the original device which this replica is supposed to be a

> close copy of.

>

> Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I just

> felt it deserves a mention here.

>

> http://cgi.ebay

com/Original-Rife-Frequency-Instrument-REPLICA_W0QQitemZ230006202254QQihZ013Q

categoryZ4064QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>

July 17, 2006

You're right on with this one. This same seller has been selling

his " one and only " reproduction several times in the last few months

on eBay. He has scored big and gotten huge money for it each time

so, it's not likely that he will stop reproducing.

Ruth

> Hi ,

>

> Sounds like a scam to me to rip of people.

>

> When I see deliberate lies on marketing material, my alarm bells

go off.

>

> e.g. The scammer states ...

>

> ---clip---

> If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that

folks are

> calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are

toys. They

> include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money,

that only

> put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit

of this

> auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of

frequencies

> in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same

as the

> Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it.

>

> ---clip---

>

> I haven't seen a Rife contact pad system that outputs 0.1 to 3

volts. They

> don't exist as far as I know. I don't know anyone foolish enough

to make

> such a device.

>

> The wellness machine and the GB4000 seem to output 2+watts, with

voltages up

> around 30 vpp+. Even the basic and simple zapper outputs a 9

volt

> signal. The South African device is closer to 70vpp

>

> The seller sounds like he is not intouch, or just simply using

fear tactics

> to get people in. Silly do all his so called research on Rife,

then trash

> the industry with lies.

>

> I have designed simple transistor and op-amp circuits, very basic

stuff,

> with outputs upto 60 vpp, far stronger than this so call Rife

machine.

>

> Just my opinion, and I'm not even a Rife expert.

>

> Regards,

> Ken Uzzell

> http://heal-me.com.au

> Frex - CHIamp

>

> Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

>

> > As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention

to

> > the Rife community.

> >

> > A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device

is

> > currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about

1960 of

> > which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by

the FDA

> > at the time.

> >

> > This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

> > workings of the original device which this replica is supposed

to be a

> > close copy of.

> >

> > Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I

just

> > felt it deserves a mention here.

> >

> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Rife-Frequency-Instrument-

REPLICA_W0QQitemZ230006202254QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4064QQssPageNameZWDVW

QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> >

July 17, 2006

If you go to the 'Rifers' List files area I posted long ago

schematics that I think are very simular. It is listed under

Crane_Device

The person that I found had copied it from a original device but used

a motor to sweep the frequencies he told me over the years that he

had made 30 to 40 units and never made any money except for his

parts. Said that they had very good success with various conditions.

Jeffers

>These units were the EICO 377 audio signal generator. Crane modified

>them

>slightly and altered the front panel. For the most part there were

>commercial products re-labeled and sold as pad type rife devices.

>

>-- Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

>

>I agree Ken.

>

>In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has

>created

>both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original

>device

>from this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent

>locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and guages.

>Reproduction of an

>original device would be far more daunting and costly than building

>something from scratch.

>

>Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another

>knock-off

>soon appears, then another and another...

>

>Mike

>

>Ken Uzzell wrote:

>

>Hi ,

>

>Sounds like a scam to me to rip of people.

>

>When I see deliberate lies on marketing material, my alarm bells go

>off.

>

>e.g. The scammer states ...

>

>---clip---

>

>If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that folks

>are

>

>calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are toys.

>They

>

>include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money,

>that only

>

>put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit of

>this

>

>auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of

>frequencies

>

>in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same as

>the

>

>Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it.

>

>---clip---

>

>I haven't seen a Rife contact pad system that outputs 0.1 to 3 volts.

>They

>

>don't exist as far as I know. I don't know anyone foolish enough to

>make

>

>such a device.

>

>The wellness machine and the GB4000 seem to output 2+watts, with

>voltages up

>

>around 30 vpp+. Even the basic and simple zapper outputs a 9

>volt

>

>signal. The South African device is closer to 70vpp

>

>The seller sounds like he is not intouch, or just simply using fear

>tactics

>

>to get people in. Silly do all his so called research on Rife, then

>trash

>

>the industry with lies.

>

>I have designed simple transistor and op-amp circuits, very basic

>stuff,

>

>with outputs upto 60 vpp, far stronger than this so call Rife

>machine.

>

>Just my opinion, and I'm not even a Rife expert.

>

>Regards,

>

>Ken Uzzell

>

>http://heal-me.com.au

>

>Frex - CHIamp

>

> Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

>

>> As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention to

>

>> the Rife community.

>

>>

>

>> A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device is

>

>> currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about 1960

>of

>

>> which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by the

>FDA

>

>> at the time.

>

>>

>

>> This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

>

>> workings of the original device which this replica is supposed to

>be a

>

>> close copy of.

>

>>

>

>> Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I just

>

>> felt it deserves a mention here.

>

>>

>

>> http://cgi.ebay

>com/Original-Rife-Frequency-Instrument-REPLICA_W0QQitemZ230006202254Q

>QihZ013Q

>categoryZ4064QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

>

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>

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>

>>

>

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>

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>

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>

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>

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July 18, 2006

Hi Mike,

I don't know the technical issues, but on one hand the seller is approaching

the scientific community with " The Origional Rife Machine " ... but says how

its so much better than all the modern day Rife machines which is selling to

the sick and ill public.

If you have a real macoy, there would be no need to put down other healing

machines.

Plus I do tend to agree with Dr Bare's statement that the modern day Rife

type machines are so more effective than what Rife used. We have come along

way with knowledge and understanding. Rife was the genius pioneer, but not

the best in the field at this work today.

If I was facing a health crisis, I'd much rather have a B/R or EMEM than the

origional Rife Machine.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

I agree Ken.

In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has created

both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original device

from this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent

locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and guages. Reproduction of an

original device would be far more daunting and costly than building

something from scratch.

Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another

knock-off soon appears, then another and another...

Mike

July 18, 2006

Rife's key to success with an inferior resonant device (in comparison to modern

day frequency devices) as has been mentioned here before, was the universal

microscope. The application of frequencies with a device is the simple part.

Good targeting is where the difficulty lies.

We have been able to somewhat compensate for our " visual limitations " by using

computerized devices today which run a shotgun approach by running frequency

sets along with wobbles,convergences or sweeps, along with scanning devices that

attempt to pick up physiological response during sessions.

If one had an original Beam Ray machine, without Rife's microscope, they would

in my opinion have severe limitations in resolution as compared to good modern

day devices.

I would be interested in a working Universal Rife Microscope knock-off far

more then a reported replication of a Rife / Crane pad device. Let me know when

one appears on E-bay!

Mike http://www.truerife.com

Ken Uzzell wrote:

Hi Mike,

I don't know the technical issues, but on one hand the seller is approaching

the scientific community with " The Origional Rife Machine " ... but says how

its so much better than all the modern day Rife machines which is selling to

the sick and ill public.

If you have a real macoy, there would be no need to put down other healing

machines.

Plus I do tend to agree with Dr Bare's statement that the modern day Rife

type machines are so more effective than what Rife used. We have come along

way with knowledge and understanding. Rife was the genius pioneer, but not

the best in the field at this work today.

If I was facing a health crisis, I'd much rather have a B/R or EMEM than the

origional Rife Machine.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

I agree Ken.

In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has created

both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original device

from this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent

locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and guages. Reproduction of an

original device would be far more daunting and costly than building

something from scratch.

Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another

knock-off soon appears, then another and another...

Mike

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July 18, 2006

Hi Mike, Ken, etc.

As I posted the link for the unit, I feel I should add some more details.

First of all, I have no connection with the seller, I do not even know him.

I did exchange a few Emails with him and did a little research which told me

there is a good chance he is telling me the truth. I for one think this is a

legitimate sale and let me explain why.

He first of all sent me an image asking me if I knew anything about it. I

replied that " according to the pictures, this device was made by Crane

of the Rife Virus Microscope Institute and is probably one of the later

units made in the 60s.

Please tell me more about it and how you managed to obtain it. It certainly

has historical value to the Rife community and if you wish to sell it, I can

help that it gets into the right hands. "

At this time, I had only seen images of the original device and was not

aware of his replica. I do know that original devices are rare and that is

why I offered to assist him as I saw it for its historical value.

He then told me the following about the original unit which he claims to

have previously had in his possession:

---- Quote (Real name is known to me):

" Yes, the postmark on the box was Nov. 1, 1960 which is just around the time

Crane ran into his troubles.

I obtained it by sheer luck. The manual that came with it was an original

manual. I have since parted with the unit, manual, pads, wires, and

original packaging for a considerable sum.

I did however take extensive photographs of the unit, and have of course

made photocopies of the original manual.

It did cost me quite a bit of money however, and time. I am not greedy, but

only want, as you recognize, to get a little compensation.

The circuitry in the unit is not identical to off the shelf signal

generators of the time. There were some modifications. I think I could

probably assemble exact copies of the unit, at a rate of only about 1 per

every 6-8 weeks. This would be my interest, to produce exact replica units.

Of course people can obtain transistorized knock-offs purporting to be

" Rife " technology from many sources. But I think there is value in

providing exact REPLICA units. Unfortunately, since the component parts are

50 years old and the companies which made the components are no longer in

business. As a consequence, I've had to purchase other items containing the

components, and rip them out of the other items, just to get the units made

! Painstaking work. But in the end, it is a unique product. I currently

have two finished units, one is on the auction, and the other is my personal

unit.

When I obtained the original unit, it was in absolute mint condition. It

even smelled new. The addressee was a certain Dr. Gieger, of Baytown,

Texas, residing on Olive Street.

The interesting aspect is that, when I connected the device to the

oscilloscope and read the frequencies outputted at the various dial settings

as referred to in the manual, the frequencies emitted were not identical to

those on any lists which I have seen in my many years of treasure hunting on

this topic. The REPLICA units I provide put out the same frequencies at the

same dial settings as the Original Rife unit.

The possibility exists that the Original Rife unit may have, through its

age, lost its calibration. Absent a Universal Microscope and test tissue,

we will never know with absolute certainty whether the published frequencies

are correct, or whether the ones put out by the Original Rife pad device I

discovered are correct. That said, the manual explains the use of the " full

range scan " at which the dial is turned whilst administering the

frequencies. That may turn out to be the most viable methodology. I have

some ideas for a new type of instrument. I'd be interested in connecting

with others, to assemble a small team. I am a Patent Agent with 13 years

experience, and a Master's degree in Technology Commercialization. With the

right team, a superior instrument could be produced at a reasonable cost to

both the manufactures and consumers, with a reasonable profit margin there

between. "

----

Considering the amount of trouble he seems to be taking to recreate the

original unit, I do not consider the price of $740, that is being asked for

it currently on eBay, to be excessive. Considering many current " Rife "

devices cost more than $2000 and are sometimes much more questionable than

this replica, where is the problem?

Considering the costs of obtaining the components and the time involved, he

cannot be earning much on these units. If you do not think it is worth the

money, do not bid for it. The starting price was $500 which is very

reasonable for such a unit.

Regarding effectiveness in comparison to today's units, that is hard to

judge without detailed comparative studies. Historical documents from the

time certainly suggest this unit was effective. I would see the value of

such a device not for healing, but for reverse engineering to better

understand what was being done at the time.

is always making the point that there are lots of devices being sold

under the name " Rife " which have nothing to do with Rife's work. At least

this replica is a unit directly associated with Rife's work from a time when

he was very much still alive.

One comment you guys made which I do agree with is where other Rife devices

were being put down on the eBay text:

" If you are looking at other frequency generators out there that folks are

calling a " Rife Machine " , let me say that most I have seen are toys. They

include transistorized little boxes which sell for tons of money, that only

put out small voltages of between about 0.1 to 3 volts. The unit of this

auction puts out 0 - 40 volts, more or less, and is capable of frequencies

in the range of about 0 - 180 KHz, more or less, which is the same as the

Original Rife unit that had Rife's name on it. "

That paragraph was not a good idea, not well researched and unnecessary for

the sale of this unit.

I hope this explains the reasoning I saw behind making the members of this

group aware of this auction.

I hope that whoever wins it, will share their experiences with this group

and/or the Rife Forum.

Finally, Mike said:

" I would be interested in a working Universal Rife Microscope knock-off far

more then a reported replication of a Rife / Crane pad device. Let me know when

one appears on E-bay! "

I can at least offer an Ergonom microscope with, if anything, better

capabilities, but the ebay charges would be a bit high if I were to

offer it on that platform :-)

Regards

Moderator

Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

Hi Mike,

I don't know the technical issues, but on one hand the seller is approaching

the scientific community with " The Origional Rife Machine " ... but says how

its so much better than all the modern day Rife machines which is selling to

the sick and ill public.

If you have a real macoy, there would be no need to put down other healing

machines.

Plus I do tend to agree with Dr Bare's statement that the modern day Rife

type machines are so more effective than what Rife used. We have come along

way with knowledge and understanding. Rife was the genius pioneer, but not

the best in the field at this work today.

If I was facing a health crisis, I'd much rather have a B/R or EMEM than the

origional Rife Machine.

Regards,

Ken Uzzell

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

Re: Original Rife Frequency Instrument REPLICA

I agree Ken.

In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has created

both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an original device

from this era would be in the thousands of dollars just in time spent

locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and guages. Reproduction of an

original device would be far more daunting and costly than building

something from scratch.

Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another

knock-off soon appears, then another and another...

Mike

July 18, 2006

I have one of these device that was purchased from this gentleman. I would be

glad to share anything about this device, pictures, manual and am willing to

lend it out locally in the Seattle area. Let me know if anyone is interested.

---------

wrote: Hi Mike, Ken, etc.

As I posted the link for the unit, I feel I should add some more details.

.....

I hope that whoever wins it, will share their experiences with this group

and/or the Rife Forum.

Regards

Moderator

July 20, 2006

Why would you want to make a replica of some crappy old tube system?

All you want is the FREQUENCIES!!!

>

> I agree Ken.

>

> In looking at the site, I would not be surprised if the seller has

created both units. The cost to reproduce an exact replica of an

original device from this era would be in the thousands of dollars

just in time spent locating parts, duplicating the panels, cases and

guages. Reproduction of an original device would be far more daunting

and costly than building something from scratch.

>

> Don't be surprised if after this unit goes in auction that another

knock-off soon appears, then another and another...

>

> Mike

>

[sNIP]

July 20, 2006

This is the same add that has been run in the past few months. Same

seller, same HTML. same pictures so if the reproduction he is selling

is the one in the picture then he is reselling the same machine again

and again and again. Also notice that the buyer's are not disclosed

and the rating of the seller is not disclosed. Not only that, the

last time he sold the exact same unit a few months back, it also sold

at the same price. Does anyone see something going on here.

The reproduction unit is nothing more than a respray painted audio

oscillator from the late 50's to early 60's. I used a nearly

identical unit in school in the early 1970's.

So who is promoting what here. You can duplicate the same unit by

purchasing an old HP audio oscillator and putting some hand held

electrodes on it.

Hmmmm

>

> As this unit is highly unusual, I thought it was worth a mention to

> the Rife community.

>

> A pretty much exact replica of an original Rife/Crane pad device is

> currently on sale on eBay. The original device was made about 1960 of

> which only 90 were sold, and many of those were confiscated by the FDA

> at the time.

>

> This could be a good buy for someone interested in examining the

> workings of the original device which this replica is supposed to be a

> close copy of.

>

> Let me point out that I have no connection with the seller, I just

> felt it deserves a mention here.

>

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>

July 21, 2006

I, like you, have " found the negative reaction from some of the

members of this group to the eBay replica interesting. " I have some of

Crane's pictures from the 1960 of this instrument and have compared

them. I believe that this man has an original unit. As for the inside

components of the instrument who knows. All of Crane's pad instruments

that I have seen were just off the shelf function generators with new

face plate put on them. On rife.org is a photo of the first pad

instrument that he and Marsh built. And it was a Heathkit function

generator.

Even though I am a manufacture of a pad instrument I have to accept

the fact that Rife was skeptical of pad instruments. In fact, Bertrand

Comperet, Rife & Cranes attorney could not get Rife to come into court

and testify in Cranes behalf because he said Crane was not " working on

his principles " . Comperet said this is why they did not introduce

Rife's deposition as evidence. Possibly had they had more years to

test the pad instrument maybe Rife would have come to understand how

well this type of instrument could work on many conditions. But we

will never know for sure.

you mentioned in your post that, quote: " Aubrey Scoon was able

to get hold of a different original1939 Beam Ray Machine and was able

to obtain valuable information from reverse engineering it " . At the

time Aubrey was claiming that this instrument was a 1939 instrument

Ringas strongly expressed that he felt that Aubrey's claim did

not have enough proof and many people gave him a bad time about his

skepticism. When I went to see Bedini last year to do some

testing on paramecium we were talking and I just happened to mention

the instrument Aubrey purchased and claimed was a 1939 Beam Ray

Instrument. He told me it was not a Beam Ray instrument. I asked him

how he knew it was not a Beam Ray Instrument. He said they were

looking at purchasing the instrument and had fully investigated the

instrument and found that it was built by Vern in the 1940's.

After this investigation they decided not to purchase it. Bedini

and his group which included Dr. Strecker, who is a well know

pathologist, worked with Crane for a year and a half starting in 1986.

Bedini said that Dr. Strecker grew all kinds of pathogenic organism

and tested Cranes pad instrument on them with no success. They then

wanted to test Crane's AZ-58 ray tube instrument. Bedini said they had

to really twist Crane's arm to get him to let them test it. Finally

they tested it and it would not kill any microorganisms either. Bedini

said that Crane finally admitted that the AZ-58 instrument didn't work

the same as Rife's original instruments but he said it worked on some

people and that was good enough. Bedini said he felt that Crane knew

how Rife's original instrument worked but that he wouldn't tell them.

Bedini said Crane had all of Dr. Rife's remaining paperwork and had he

given them permission they could have found out the truth. In the

documents on rife.org we read that Dr. Stafford back in the late

1950's tested the AZ-58 at Good Samaritan Hospital on Staph and Streph

was not able to kill any organisms either. I have said all of this

because it lays the ground work to show that what Bedini said about

Aubrey's machine not being a true Beam Ray instrument is true.

Since working with Bedini I have spent many hours studying the

documents and checking out Aubrey's instrument. I built and AZ-58 back

in 2001 and fully tested it. I have conversed with Aubrey many times

through emails about this instrument. I also then built Aubrey's

instrument and this is what I found out. The photo's of the wave forms

on Aubrey's are of an instrument that is malfunctioning. Aubrey told

me that when he finally put the right tubes in it that most of the

harmonics disappeared. If you go to his site you will read a little

statement that he made, quote: " UPDATE: the carrier waveform is

smoother with the 809, but still contains some strong harmonics " .

After having built both the AZ-58 and Aubrey's instrument and reading

them on an oscilloscope and spectrum analyzer, there does not appear

to be any significant differences in the carrier frequency. They are

both sine wave carriers with harmonics that go to about 100 MHz. Jim

Berger who also built both instruments also check them and could not

see any real significant differences. In fact the AZ-58 is a better

design and we would expect this since it was built later in the

1950's. One thing Aubrey didn't have at the time he was checking out

his instrument was photos of a true Beam Ray instrument. Since that

time we were able to get a photo of Dr. B. Couche's Beam Ray

instrument from Vivian who was Marshes nurse. Marsh left her

his instruments and all of his paperwork and documents. In those

documents was the photo of one of Couche's Beam Ray instrument. He

owned three of them. This photo shows that the instrument that was on

the front page of the May, 6 1938 San Diego Evening Tribune Newspaper

is a Beam Ray instrument. Now we have two photo's of what they looked

like. A copy of this paper is on rife.org. Now that we are able to

verify what a Beam Ray instrument looked like it is very easy to see

the difference of these instruments and Aubrey's Vern

instrument. They look nothing alike. Also from the documents we are

told the Beam Ray instrument had a fixed carrier and the photos show

us that the Beam Ray instrument had two oscillators on the front of

it. The AZ-58 and Aubrey's instrument only have one oscillator on the

front of it, not two.

The 60 hertz gating feature that Aubrey mentioned on his site, I

quote: " However, in addition, the AC cathode connection causes a

further modulation at 60Hz. In effect the modulated wave is chopped

into chunks or burst that are one period of a 60 Hz cycle apart. And

the envelope of the wave is effectively the first quarter cycle of a

60Hz cosine wave. In some respects this is like a very crude

approximation to a damped wave. I believe that the latter is not a

design flaw but rather a feature " . We had a difficult time getting

Aubrey Scoons instrument we built to do this and when we did I was

difficult to get it to work properly. Jim Berger sent me a paper from

an old electronics book which defined this as a " motor boating effect "

and that it only happened in a circuit that was malfunctioning. So we

do not believe that it was a design feature but a design flaw and was

later removed by Vern in the 1950's when he update this type

of instrument to the AZ-58.

The bottom line here I believe is how well did the instruments work.

Henry Siner, Rife's lab assistant went to England to demonstrate the

Beam Ray instrument and microscope reported that the Beam Ray

instrument would kill the organisms under microscope observation. No

one has ever been able to get the AZ-58 or the Aubrey Scoon Vern

instrument to do this. Aubrey told me that he had done some

testing and was not able to kill anything either. He did tell me that

he had left the instrument running with a culture and when he came

back it was dead but that he could not duplicate this again. Having

worked now with two doctors and a bacteriologist I know how easy it is

for organisms to die from the heat of the lamp of the microscope.

These men have been testing these ray tube instruments on

microorganisms for the past several months without any success. They

are now ready to move on to higher frequencies and want to use a

faraday cage.

I want you to know that I am not trying to be critical of what Aubrey

has done. I believe that the information that he obtained from the

Vern 's 1940's instrument is very valuable. But what we want

is a real Beam Ray instrument and to know that we really have one and

not just hope we do. Many people like Jim Berger and I have built this

instrument believing it to be a real Beam Ray instrument and then not

getting the result we expected. A real Beam Ray instrument will kill

microorganisms under microscope observation and also would cure

cancer. Dr. Couche could consistently cure cancer a feat our modern

instruments have not been able to do yet. Many people have had good

results but what I am talking about is consistent results of at least

nine out of ten people being cured. Rife said on the Rife CD's that

the clinic lasted about 70 days and they were able in that amount of

time to cure 14 out of 16 people. Rife said on CD's the patients had

tuberculosis and cancer but the majority of the patients had cancer.

The other two continued their treatments over about the next 60 days

and were also pronounced clinically cured. I don't expect a 100% cure

rate like they had but nine out of ten would be nice.

Best wishes

Jeff

July 24, 2006

Alan,

Those of us who have built the M.O.P.A design AZ-58 and Aubrey's

1940's Vern Thomson instrument know how unstable they are. The

carrier frequency can fluctuate + or – as much as 40,000 hertz.

Rife's earlier instruments were M.O.P.A designs also and I am sure

they had the same problem. This creates a real problem for us today.

Rife's high frequencies for cancer (1,604,000, 11,780,000, and

17,033,000) are only ball park frequencies. The higher the frequency

range in these old instruments the greater the error in the frequency.

So we have to ask ourselves what is the real M.O.R. frequency for the

BX.

Testing on organisms will be the only way to find out what the correct

frequencies are. When these doctors start testing the high frequencies,

later this year or early next spring, they are going to start with e

coli, staph and streph. These organisms can be seen with a standard

microscope. E coli is motile so it will be easy to see if a frequency

has killed it. Staph and streph are non-motile so the only way to test

them is to culture them. This is very easy to do. Rife had to do the

same thing. On the Rife CD's he said that with many organisms they

could see no change in them at all when looking at them under the

microscope. Rife said the only way they could tell if they devitalized

them is by culturing them. Many viruses can be cultured today because

since Rife's day several good virus culturing media have been

discovered. Also we have Kendalls media which also can be made. If a

virus grows in the test tube media it will go cloudy. Viruses can be

treated with frequencies over a range of 50 to 100,000 hertz and then

cultured to see if they grow. As soon as the media shows no growth you

will then know which frequency range has the M.O.R. This way, even

without a microscope like Rife's, the M.O.R. of an organism can be

found. This is the method Rife would have had to use to find the M.O.R.

of any non-motile organism whether it be a virus or a bacteria.

You can contact me off list about Bedini.

Jeff Garff

jgarff@...

>Thanks Jeff

>It was very good to read that .And to remember crucial

>Rife facts and stick to them.

>Congratulations you seems very close in rebuilding the

>real Beam Ray.

>How then will you get the Rife virus and °see° it?

>Alan

>Hi jeff

>I also duplicated the Aubrey Beam ray and it appeared

>to be of very bad design, unstable and inconsistent.

>I came to the same conclusion as you and your friends

>i\e working in a faraday environment with modulated

>power,freq. carrier and sine waves.

>Since you agree to get to the same Results Rife got is

>to do exactly like him how then will you see his

>°viruses° and how will you culture them?

>You have an °advantage° in knowing Bedini.I have heard

>many times of him. And I would be very glad to talk

>with him. Could you help me in getting in touch with

>him?

>Your post was a real reawakening refresher.

>Alan

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