Re: POLITICS history of the Glutenator

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In a message dated 11/19/04 2:13:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@...

writes:

> Oh, I cringe when Arnie says " girly man " almost as much as when Bush

> says " nucular. "

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~~~~> He says " girly man " in his political speeches? Really? LOL! That's

awesome.

Chris

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Oopsie, my post was treading in the political muck, wasn't it. Thanks

for the tag, Chris. You can hear him call the democrats " girlie-men "

apparently for the first time publicly, as governor, here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3602003

Of course, I do believe he said it at the Republican Nat'l Convention as

well, if memory serves me.

Awesome? Oh, I don't know. I lived in Minnesota when Ventura was

elected. I promptly moved out of the state out of disgust. I find that

kind of immaturity sad, personally. Ventura was a blithering idiot to boot.

Deanna

ChrisMasterjohnwrote:

> In a message dated 11/19/04 2:13:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> hl@...

> writes:

>

> > Oh, I cringe when Arnie says " girly man " almost as much as when Bush

> > says " nucular. "

> ____

>

> ~~~~> He says " girly man " in his political speeches? Really? LOL!

> That's

> awesome.

>

> Chris

>

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In a message dated 11/20/04 6:48:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@...

writes:

> Awesome? Oh, I don't know. I lived in Minnesota when Ventura was

> elected. I promptly moved out of the state out of disgust. I find that

> kind of immaturity sad, personally. Ventura was a blithering idiot to

boot.

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~~~~> Yeah, I think it's awesome. Mostly because it's funny, especially with

the Arnold accent. I don't see why politics should be mature, since there's

nothing particularly mature about stealing from other people or running an

organized crime ring, which is what politics is by definition. It would be

better to make a mockery of such an institution than to treat it with a false

and

undeserved respect.

Chris

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heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:04:43 EST

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:

> ~~~~> Yeah, I think it's awesome. Mostly because it's funny, especially with

> the Arnold accent. I don't see why politics should be mature, since there's

> nothing particularly mature about stealing from other people

Oh no, you didn't really say that, did you? Don't you know that it is

not okay to steal *except* by majority vote?

or running an

> organized crime ring, which is what politics is by definition.

Yikes! Didn't St. Augustine say that? No, wait, he called the state a

group of thugs, or something like that. Pretty close.

It would be

> better to make a mockery of such an institution than to treat it with a false

and

> undeserved respect.

Blessed Augustine also said that if something is ridiculous it is worthy

of ridicule.

Despite my dislike of most things Augustinian, left or right, Reformed

or Roman, he did have a few good things to say here and there and I'm

quite sure he would be greatly displeased as to where some of his

musings have led since everyone from feminist nuns on the left to

hypercalvinistic protestants on the right have been greatly influenced

by him.

But I wonder what he would have thought of this passage that is a

powerful illustration of what you say above about politics:

'It is true that the theory of our Constitution is, that all taxes are

paid voluntary; that our government is a mutual insurance company,

voluntarily entered into by the people with each other....

" But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical

fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a

man: " Your money or your life. " And many, if not most, taxes are paid

under the compulsion of that threat.

" The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring

upon him from the roadside, and holding a pistol to his head, proceed to

rifle his pockets. But the robbery is nonetheless a robbery on that

account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.

" The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger,

and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful

claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit.

He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired

impudence enough to profess to be merely a " protector, " and that he

takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to " protect "

those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect

themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He

is too sensible a man to make such professions as these.

" Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to

do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will,

assuming to be your rightful 'sovereign'; on account of the 'protection'

he affords you.

" He does not keep 'protecting' you, by commanding you to bow down and

serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that;

by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or

pleasure to do so; and by branding you a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy

to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his

authority, or resists his demands.

" He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and

insults, and villainies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to

robbing you attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.

" The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves

'the government,' are directly the opposite of those of the single

highwayman. "

Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority, No. VI,

pp.12-13

Methinks he would be nodding in approval.

" Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through

a deeper factual analysis. "

Murray Rothbard

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> ~~~~> Yeah, I think it's awesome. Mostly because it's funny, especially

> with

> the Arnold accent. I don't see why politics should be mature, since there's

> nothing particularly mature about stealing from other people or running an

> organized crime ring, which is what politics is by definition. It would be

> better to make a mockery of such an institution than to treat it with a

> false and

> undeserved respect.

>

> Chris

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Hey

I just wanted to say I agree with you 100% on this and I think you

nailed it down pretty well.

Mike

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