Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 What is more interesting is the number of pre vet's who flunk out and go on to become successful MD's. Makes me want to have my vet do more work on me. Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/) He remembered my FMS and arthritis, and took me next door to his daughter, a naturopath. Cutting the conversation short re arthritis and borax, http://www.upnaway.com/~poliowa/Away%20with%20Arthritis.html www.farcourt.co.uk www.acnem.org/journal/pdf_files/ 24-1_april_2005/24-1_arthritis-newnham.pdf www.acnem.org/journal/24-1_ april_2005/cure_for_arthritis.htm - dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles ahead. " R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles ahead. " OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I was a pre-vet major back in the '70s at MU in Columbia, Missouri girl, and I didn't get in! My take on this is that those two professions are more popular with a higher application population than med schools with the young college set. The perception is that it is easier to treat animals and pull teeth than go through Med school, internship, etc. Cuddly puppies are a draw too. It is true, vets have to be able to treat many species, but I guarantee that their level of concentration for each is not as intense as an MD's. Also, after all, all animals are somewhat similar and it is really not a big deal to quickly understand where they may differ. I have dealt with vets all my life in a professional relationship, and I am hardly ever impressed by one. Like all of their irk, they are more into less labor intensive practices, less thinking, less farm (home) calls, and more pill popping prescribing. They are just as jealously guarding their practice profits as MDs. They would like to see farriers, lay equine dentists, etc under their domain. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. doug Re: Veterinary science Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles ahead. " OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I know a lot of old farmers who said when they got real sick they just injected themselves with animal penicillin, from what I have been told most animal medicine is the same as human when the shelf life gets close they switch it over to animal use. Terry Re: Veterinary science Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles ahead. " OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 The reason the vets are miles ahead as they can't be in the business for " SHOW ME THE MONEY " if they are working on large animals as if you tell a farmer that it will cost him $4000 to save a $400 cow, he will kick you off of his property. If vet is a small animal doctor and you tell him that it will cost you $4000 to save old Fido and old Fido is 17 and you paid $400 for old Fido as a pup, you may decide to put old Fido down rather than spend $4000 for another year or two for old Fido. Also, vets have to be a lot smarter than MD's as they are working multi species all of whom do not speak English or normal human languages. You will note I did not assume they could not talk. Man can tell the MD what hurts and the MD can go Ah HAH and write patient a script. If it does not work, MD can tell patient it is all in patients head. Vet can't tell Fido that his problem is all in his head. Instead vet has to fix Fido as Fido has his dad an mom monitoring carefully with an eye on Fido as viewed through their pocket book. Old Fido does not have Medicare or health insurance and so it is not nearly as easy to extract money for Fido as it is with a human patient. Since a vet has a hard time getting rich, he has a lot more reason to look to less expensive alternative treatments for his patients. I absolutely believe that we would have better health care if vets could work on one more species ------- homo sapien. Harvey missourinaturegirl wrote: > > Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about > Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ > <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) > dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles > ahead. " > > > > > OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? > Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by > big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off > selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going > to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving > money. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Where I think Vets are better is that they look at symptoms and do testing and make a determination of what is going on, doctors these days are like mechanics I go to, they listen to what you tell them is wrong and then fix it, you tell your mechanic that you think the alternator is making a noise so they replace it, most don't even check for the real or supposed problems this is what doctors are doing, my wife's cancer would have been caught a lot earlier if the doctor had done some simple x-rays of her shoulder in the first place instead of take some ibuprofen and go home, this went on for months before the cancer was detected by a simple x-ray, why won't doctors do the simple things first what happened to yearly chest x-rays and a physical, it has all been swept aside as outside interests have taken over the doctors office, a Vet is still pretty much in charge of this office, people wonder why we are changing over to alternative medicine, I can tell you why, people in alternative medicine, talk to you, they touch you, they listen to you, the doctor no longer has the time or patience for such things. Terry Re: Re: Veterinary science The reason the vets are miles ahead as they can't be in the business for " SHOW ME THE MONEY " if they are working on large animals as if you tell a farmer that it will cost him $4000 to save a $400 cow, he will kick you off of his property. If vet is a small animal doctor and you tell him that it will cost you $4000 to save old Fido and old Fido is 17 and you paid $400 for old Fido as a pup, you may decide to put old Fido down rather than spend $4000 for another year or two for old Fido. Also, vets have to be a lot smarter than MD's as they are working multi species all of whom do not speak English or normal human languages. You will note I did not assume they could not talk. Man can tell the MD what hurts and the MD can go Ah HAH and write patient a script. If it does not work, MD can tell patient it is all in patients head. Vet can't tell Fido that his problem is all in his head. Instead vet has to fix Fido as Fido has his dad an mom monitoring carefully with an eye on Fido as viewed through their pocket book. Old Fido does not have Medicare or health insurance and so it is not nearly as easy to extract money for Fido as it is with a human patient. Since a vet has a hard time getting rich, he has a lot more reason to look to less expensive alternative treatments for his patients. I absolutely believe that we would have better health care if vets could work on one more species ------- homo sapien. Harvey missourinaturegirl wrote: > > Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about > Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ > <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) > dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles > ahead. " > > > > > OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? > Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced > by big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off > selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only > going to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and > saving money. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Excellent comments Harvey, Over 30 years ago I started consulting with VETs for all my health concerns (thankfully only minor). when my rather amazing family M.D. retired. The VETs would recommended old fashioned, effective methods as you mentioned. Since I was in the diagnostic medical field and I knew that most animals are free of common human health conditions like aneurisms that could kill humans instantly. Most VET took care of this in aminals with diet and missing minerals, etc. I asked my VET friend why don't M.D.s treat with natural remidies and diet as VETs do? He said; " because you have health insurance and the animals don't : ) " .. You don't want to hear what else he said. Well stuff like would you take a million dollar race car to a mechanic that could change out the engine (hear of liver) but didn't have a clue what type of formula gas to use? Ooops. And most folks (like 99%) take better care of their autos (oil changes, etc) then their own family in America, oops. Gee don't we get issued 5 to 10 bodies before death? Ok I'll stop. BTW my family M.D. before him retired and was able to see all his patients Auras (energy fields, all natural of course we're all designed to do the same if we choose) in living color with a complete and 100% accurate diagnoses in seconds. He was so effective that his practice was closed to new patients about 10 years before he retired and I then called a VET friends after that. He was a heart and internal med specialist and would ask me the few times I saw him if I wanted a blood test or just want him to Rx on what he could see in my energy field? Since he knew I could sometimes see them we had great chats as he couldn't even tell many of his clients about his work. He also told me he was always 100% correct but some people would ask for an expensive blood test until they found that out. Anyone wanting more information about researching energy fields or finding very specific frequency sets can contact Dr. Sutherland at; jeff.sutherland@... or go to his site at; www.FrequencyResearch.org , this is all pure research and no medical claims are made. It's designed around requests to teach Dr. Sutherland's methods of research by his clients and fellow researchers just in case a few of you missed learning about it, sort of a 'how to hands on' workshop with Dr. Loyd, Dr. Kenney, DVM, Ph.D., M.S. and N.D. I believe (yep a world renowned VET and frequency researcher working with Dr. Sutherland no less) and many others teaching the lastest and greatest research in A.K. and Frequency Research. Many of whom are top presenters at the yearly Rife Conference as many of you know. Very few openings left him for more info if you are interested or e-mail me off this List for an updated Agenda. Cheers, Dale dale.fawcett@... " Harvey P. Metzler " wrote: The reason the vets are miles ahead as they can't be in the business for " SHOW ME THE MONEY " if they are working on large animals as if you tell a farmer that it will cost him $4000 to save a $400 cow, he will kick you off of his property. If vet is a small animal doctor and you tell him that it will cost you $4000 to save old Fido and old Fido is 17 and you paid $400 for old Fido as a pup, you may decide to put old Fido down rather than spend $4000 for another year or two for old Fido. Also, vets have to be a lot smarter than MD's as they are working multi species all of whom do not speak English or normal human languages. You will note I did not assume they could not talk. Man can tell the MD what hurts and the MD can go Ah HAH and write patient a script. If it does not work, MD can tell patient it is all in patients head. Vet can't tell Fido that his problem is all in his head. Instead vet has to fix Fido as Fido has his dad an mom monitoring carefully with an eye on Fido as viewed through their pocket book. Old Fido does not have Medicare or health insurance and so it is not nearly as easy to extract money for Fido as it is with a human patient. Since a vet has a hard time getting rich, he has a lot more reason to look to less expensive alternative treatments for his patients. I absolutely believe that we would have better health care if vets could work on one more species ------- homo sapien. Harvey missourinaturegirl wrote: > > Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about > Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ > <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) > dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles > ahead. " > > > > > OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? > Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by > big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off > selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going > to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving > money. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 My impression with dentists has always been that they care more about your teeth than a doctor cares about your body. I think this tends to make some of them more open minded about alternative treatments. My dentist insists that mercury fillings are not that harmful (even though he uses only plastic because it lasts longer), but when I asked him if I could uses my CES ( " Brain Tuner " ) device instead of Novocain he had no problem with that. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about m> Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ m> <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) m> dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles m> ahead. " m> OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? m> Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by m> big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off m> selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going m> to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving m> money. m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I was a pre-vet major back in the '70s at MU in Columbia, Missouri girl, and I didn't get in! My take on this is that those two professions are more popular with a higher application population than med schools with the young college set. The perception is that it is easier to treat animals and pull teeth than go through Med school, internship, etc. Cuddly puppies are a draw too. It is true, vets have to be able to treat many species, but I guarantee that their level of concentration for each is not as intense as an MD's. I disagree with this entirely. The level of concentration is at least equal to or exceeds that of a physician at least in my experience. Also, after all, all animals are somewhat similar and it is really not a big deal to quickly understand where they may differ. I also disagree with this as well. There are marked differences in medicine, surgery and pharmacology of many species. For example, Ivermectin in any dosage will kill a turtle.. This is perhaps the one good reason for specialization in veterinary medicine.small, exotics, equine, large animals, etc. One cannot possibly keep up to date with every species and do it right. I have dealt with vets all my life in a professional relationship, and I am hardly ever impressed by one. Like all of their irk, they are more into less labor intensive practices, less thinking, WRONG! less farm (home) calls, and more pill popping prescribing. They are just as jealously guarding their practice profits as MDs. They would like to see farriers, lay equine dentists, etc under their domain. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I DON'T KNOW OF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO WANTS TO SHOE HORSES, AND MOST EQUINE PRACTITIONERS HATE FLOATING TEETH. DENTRISTRY OTHER THAN FLOATING, SUCH AS EXTRACTIONS ARE OUT OF THE REALM OF LAYMEN ANYWAY. doug Dr. Dave Re: Veterinary science Called on my dentist the other day, the one who first told me about Rife, to lend him the Rife tapes (http://www.zerozerotwo.org/ <http://www.zerozerotwo.org/> ) dentist ended up saying, " Watch what the vets do - they're miles ahead. " OK, Why is it that dentists and veterinary doctors are so knowledgeable? Are they taught the pleomorphic germ theory? Are they not influenced by big pharma? I have had the same experience. Our MFA is cutting off selling supplies to people off the street, and told me it is only going to Veternary Doctors. I was using some of the things there and saving money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Sorry Doc, Didn't mean to offend you. There are, of course, many good veterinarians out there that know their stuff, but I still stand by what I said on all counts. For one thing, how can the level of concentration in vet school be at least equal per species as a human study program in med school? Impossible, considering the years spent by each student in school. You can only study so much in 4 years. This is certainly why you have vet specialists out there to help combat this unique problem of a multi-species practice. Few cow vets can really compete with your average equine vet specialist and vice a versa. Mistakes made by specialists when they try to go into another species can be very glaring. Few cow vets can remotely pinpoint a lameness problem in a race horse, etc, etc. Yes, there can be marked differences in species metabolism, but those differences can be easily itemized and studied rather quickly which will produce a reasonably astute veterinary practitioner. A good course in comparative anatomy will show any one how amazingly similar we all are. An old college professor once told me that we are academically dead after about 3 years of post college time. This is probably true on all counts and degrees. Vets seem to be less likely to keep up with all species after school and that can cause major problems. Most vets tend to slide into a form of specialization exactly for that reason! Lastly, you are right in posting that most vets do not want to do equine teeth or horseshoe. However, this has not stopped the Florida and California Veterinary Commissions from trying to exert control over such lay practices. There has been a general movement in the veterinary hierarchy to exert control on such lay practitioners in the past few years. California Veterinary Medical Board (CVMB) in 2004 brought charges against a dog groomer for using a metal scraping instrument to clean teeth. The Calif judge ruled: " In his judgment, Dash writes that , who trains independent contractors in a anesthesia-free teeth cleaning in videos and seminars, should cease all lectures involving lay dentistry: " There is no doubt the method she teaches for pet teeth cleaning falls squarely within the statutory definition of a dental operation set forth above. She should be permanently enjoined from this practice. However, on the state of record in these proceedings, there is no basis for issuance of an order of abatement as the violations alleging were not proven. " The same type of Vet board mentality could be found in Florida with regard to farrier and equine dental practices. True, most vets don't want to go to horse shoeing school or sweat, floating teeth, but they do seem to want their clinics to have control over who practices shoeing or dentistry. Also, I have seen an increasing trend of vets wanting more of the equine tooth pie, particularly with the advent of new, expensive mechanical floats that tend to cut down on old fashion arm fatigue and sweat. The extraction of caps, temporary incisors, and wolf teeth are quite commonly done by lay dentists, no big deal. The extraction of permanent molars or incisors can be a bit more tricky, but in most cases, such needed surgery is very rare in the work-a-day world and most lay dentists will automatically refer that horse to a appropriate clinic, no big deal, again. doug RE: Re: Veterinary science I disagree with this entirely. The level of concentration is at least equal to or exceeds that of a physician at least in my experience. I also disagree with this as well. There are marked differences in medicine, surgery and pharmacology of many species. For example, Ivermectin in any dosage will kill a turtle.. This is perhaps the one good reason for specialization in veterinary medicine.small, exotics, equine, large animals, etc. One cannot possibly keep up to date with every species and do it right. I DON'T KNOW OF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO WANTS TO SHOE HORSES, AND MOST EQUINE PRACTITIONERS HATE FLOATING TEETH. DENTRISTRY OTHER THAN FLOATING, SUCH AS EXTRACTIONS ARE OUT OF THE REALM OF LAYMEN ANYWAY. doug Dr. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I think you could equate a vet and the difference in his varied patients to an GP MD who sees a tremendous scope of human problems, doesn't have adequate training to deal with them and doesn't wish to refer you to a specialist because he looses his fees, I think a good field now for doctors to set up is someone who checks a person out, makes an educated diagnosis of their problem and then refers them to a specialist in the field, doesn't write prescriptions only does simple x-rays or blood work, enough to make this diagnosis and generally moves on, more patients could be seen at a cheaper cost and those with serious problems could be into a specialist quicker, too many lay doctors are fooling with problems they have no training or business dealing with either thru inexperience or greed. Terry Re: Re: Veterinary science Sorry Doc, Didn't mean to offend you. There are, of course, many good veterinarians out there that know their stuff, but I still stand by what I said on all counts. For one thing, how can the level of concentration in vet school be at least equal per species as a human study program in med school? Impossible, considering the years spent by each student in school. You can only study so much in 4 years. This is certainly why you have vet specialists out there to help combat this unique problem of a multi-species practice. Few cow vets can really compete with your average equine vet specialist and vice a versa. Mistakes made by specialists when they try to go into another species can be very glaring. Few cow vets can remotely pinpoint a lameness problem in a race horse, etc, etc. Yes, there can be marked differences in species metabolism, but those differences can be easily itemized and studied rather quickly which will produce a reasonably astute veterinary practitioner. A good course in comparative anatomy will show any one how amazingly similar we all are. An old college professor once told me that we are academically dead after about 3 years of post college time. This is probably true on all counts and degrees. Vets seem to be less likely to keep up with all species after school and that can cause major problems. Most vets tend to slide into a form of specialization exactly for that reason! Lastly, you are right in posting that most vets do not want to do equine teeth or horseshoe. However, this has not stopped the Florida and California Veterinary Commissions from trying to exert control over such lay practices. There has been a general movement in the veterinary hierarchy to exert control on such lay practitioners in the past few years. California Veterinary Medical Board (CVMB) in 2004 brought charges against a dog groomer for using a metal scraping instrument to clean teeth. The Calif judge ruled: " In his judgment, Dash writes that , who trains independent contractors in a anesthesia-free teeth cleaning in videos and seminars, should cease all lectures involving lay dentistry: " There is no doubt the method she teaches for pet teeth cleaning falls squarely within the statutory definition of a dental operation set forth above. She should be permanently enjoined from this practice. However, on the state of record in these proceedings, there is no basis for issuance of an order of abatement as the violations alleging were not proven. " The same type of Vet board mentality could be found in Florida with regard to farrier and equine dental practices. True, most vets don't want to go to horse shoeing school or sweat, floating teeth, but they do seem to want their clinics to have control over who practices shoeing or dentistry. Also, I have seen an increasing trend of vets wanting more of the equine tooth pie, particularly with the advent of new, expensive mechanical floats that tend to cut down on old fashion arm fatigue and sweat. The extraction of caps, temporary incisors, and wolf teeth are quite commonly done by lay dentists, no big deal. The extraction of permanent molars or incisors can be a bit more tricky, but in most cases, such needed surgery is very rare in the work-a-day world and most lay dentists will automatically refer that horse to a appropriate clinic, no big deal, again. doug RE: Re: Veterinary science I disagree with this entirely. The level of concentration is at least equal to or exceeds that of a physician at least in my experience. I also disagree with this as well. There are marked differences in medicine, surgery and pharmacology of many species. For example, Ivermectin in any dosage will kill a turtle.. This is perhaps the one good reason for specialization in veterinary medicine.small, exotics, equine, large animals, etc. One cannot possibly keep up to date with every species and do it right. I DON'T KNOW OF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO WANTS TO SHOE HORSES, AND MOST EQUINE PRACTITIONERS HATE FLOATING TEETH. DENTRISTRY OTHER THAN FLOATING, SUCH AS EXTRACTIONS ARE OUT OF THE REALM OF LAYMEN ANYWAY. doug Dr. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I think a good field now for doctors to set up is someone who checks a person out, makes an educated diagnosis of their problem and then refers them to a specialist in the field, doesn't write prescriptions only does simple x-rays or blood work, enough to make this diagnosis and generally moves on, more patients could be seen at a cheaper cost and those with serious problems could be into a specialist quicker.............. When i got into the medical field i was to understand there would be more PAs to preform these general tasks. I have yet to see them..In most hospital settings this would be " standing orders " , to get the general yearly data. There is no reason a GP should have to keep wasting his time on this, when the nurses can have it ready for him. My problem is than any blood test that is not the usual never gets back in the chart even if you have the doc to order it, as the labs cannot handle anything but the ordinary tests. I just read an article that there in no $ in GP, and we are losing them fast. One solution was to have the doctor email his clients for trivial things, as well as scripts, which can be done by a PA or NP. If we lost the GP, we lose more that we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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