Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend (http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html) Neu's beCALM'd (http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/) Native Remedies' BrightSpark (http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Hi , I have tried Native Remedies and BeCalmed with my son and did not have success with either one. I know that some children and adults have had success, but not my 12 year old son. I have started using a liquid supplement that helps with allergies, gastrointestinal problems, MS, arthritis, and several other ailments. I have seen results. I have just started as a distributor because I believe in the product. If anyone wants to check out my website and learn about this great product you can @ www.vemma.com/valarie. I wish I could give you more information about other products, but I can only tell you what I have experienced. I'll be praying for you and your child. " Do not cast away your confidence for it will be richly rewarded. " Hebrews 10:35 Keep the faith! Valarie Raphael wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend (http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html) Neu's beCALM'd (http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/) Native Remedies' BrightSpark (http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 - do you have a DAN doctor?.....My son (almost 5) is on several supplements everyday to help him stay calm and focused....One in particular is called Calm PRT.....Not sure if it's that alone, or the combination of all - but, something has certainly helped him calm down...Additionally, a Casein free diet seems to help calm him down as well. Debbie Vasquez Coca-Cola North America Region Media Director West Central Region Tel: Email: devasquez@... Valarie Sharp Sent by: Texas-Autism-Advocacy 09/29/2006 12:54 PM Please respond to Texas-Autism-Advocacy To Texas-Autism-Advocacy cc Subject Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? Hi , I have tried Native Remedies and BeCalmed with my son and did not have success with either one. I know that some children and adults have had success, but not my 12 year old son. I have started using a liquid supplement that helps with allergies, gastrointestinal problems, MS, arthritis, and several other ailments. I have seen results. I have just started as a distributor because I believe in the product. If anyone wants to check out my website and learn about this great product you can @ www.vemma.com/valarie. I wish I could give you more information about other products, but I can only tell you what I have experienced. I'll be praying for you and your child. " Do not cast away your confidence for it will be richly rewarded. " Hebrews 10:35 Keep the faith! Valarie Raphael wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend (http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html) Neu's beCALM'd (http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/) Native Remedies' BrightSpark (http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Is this during a teaching session that your children are not paying attention or while you they are suppose to be engaged in previously learned task completion? Is it when expected to pay attention to auditory stimuli alone? I might be able to help if I knew more about the circumstances during which there is the apparent lack of attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Both. All. Some. My daughter generally requires constant prompting to complete even tasks that she's already mastered. We've been trying to fade the prompting, obviously. msdiannecan wrote: Is this during a teaching session that your children are not paying attention or while you they are suppose to be engaged in previously learned task completion? Is it when expected to pay attention to auditory stimuli alone? I might be able to help if I knew more about the circumstances during which there is the apparent lack of attention. 'Don't be humble. You're not that great.' --- Golda Meir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend (http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html) Neu's beCALM'd (http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/) Native Remedies' BrightSpark (http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Just had to throw this in here. I am on an Advocacy Board in New Braunfels for Children with Autism. Our son, now 8, used to have autism. He was diagnosed at age 4 with Asperger's Syndrome by the public school diagnostician, and then formally diagnosed by a Neuropsychologist as Semantic/Pragmatic Disorder (SPD) a variation of Asperger's/Autism (mid-spectrum essentially) . Anyway, we sought the Lord completely at that point and he has brought provision to us (while he taught us in the Spirit) through MannaRelief Ministries. www.mannarelief.org <http://www.mannarelief.org/> - the HOPE program. Today, we no longer deal with " autism " or the ADHD symptoms. That is a factual statement. Praise God. It took 3 years, but we're finally here. It would be terribly sad for me to keep this to myself, so I share this, and I offer encouragement and HOPE to everyone dealing with autism at all levels. Children more severe than mine have enjoyed the same success. The main key here is mass production of plural position stem cells made by the person's own body through glyconutrients. It is a huge science and all the good education takes place in the Houston area at the Glycomics Conference every year. www.endowmentmed.org <http://www.endowmentmed.org/> God bless you, Dena LaRoux New Braunfels Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Hi Dena, I am so happy for your success. Please tell us more! The link you sent had a lot of information about their conferences, but not much about what they actually do. Did you participate in one of their " pilot " studies? What is the protocol? Are they seeking FDA approval? Any additional informaiton would be appreciated. Aliza Dena LaRoux wrote: Just had to throw this in here. I am on an Advocacy Board in New Braunfels for Children with Autism. Our son, now 8, used to have autism. He was diagnosed at age 4 with Asperger's Syndrome by the public school diagnostician, and then formally diagnosed by a Neuropsychologist as Semantic/Pragmatic Disorder (SPD) a variation of Asperger's/Autism (mid-spectrum essentially) . Anyway, we sought the Lord completely at that point and he has brought provision to us (while he taught us in the Spirit) through MannaRelief Ministries. www.mannarelief.org <http://www.mannarelief.org/> - the HOPE program. Today, we no longer deal with " autism " or the ADHD symptoms. That is a factual statement. Praise God. It took 3 years, but we're finally here. It would be terribly sad for me to keep this to myself, so I share this, and I offer encouragement and HOPE to everyone dealing with autism at all levels. Children more severe than mine have enjoyed the same success. The main key here is mass production of plural position stem cells made by the person's own body through glyconutrients. It is a huge science and all the good education takes place in the Houston area at the Glycomics Conference every year. www.endowmentmed.org <http://www.endowmentmed.org/> God bless you, Dena LaRoux New Braunfels Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Communication can take the shape of lack of attention at times. Could it be non-verbal communication of intent rather than a neurological problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Ok, maybe it's just Monday morning fog, but what does that mean????? msdiannecan wrote: Communication can take the shape of lack of attention at times. Could it be non-verbal communication of intent rather than a neurological problem? 'Don't be humble. You're not that great.' --- Golda Meir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Hi Aliza, Thank you, we are truly walking in the blessing. We never participated in any studies (The Endowment is fairly new, about 2 years old.) The Scripps Institute was given a $53 million grant by NIH about 3 or 4 years ago to do research on glyconutrients and impacts on health, disease conditions and disorders. -by the way Oxford University has their own Glycobiology school and they do allow access to many of their papers - http://glycob.oxfordjournals.org/ To get your feet wet here, you can go to www.glycoscience.org <http://www.glycoscience.org/> and start with the introductory papers to learn what this is all about. There are tons of tapes, CD's, DVD's, videos, books, you name it at www.glycotools.com <http://www.glycotools.com/> . This science is discussed in detail in Chapter 53 of the Harper's Biochemistry textbook used by many medical schools now, but this is way more mainstream " medically " in the UK and Europe and Japan and even Australia. Big pharma does not welcome this new technology in the US. MIT's February, 2003 edition of Technology Review Magazine called " Glycomics " one the ten top emerging technologies that will change the world. There is a reason for that statement. If you see the picture here, you'll know there is something worth looking into. FDA has already passed on this for two reasons. They only regulate DRUGS. Not food supplements. These micronutrients are not going to kill you EVER. If you are going to go through FDA drug trials you have to establish 2 things, and LD-50 rating and P450 activity. Well the LD-50 rating means (Lethal dose 50% percentile) You have to keep elevating the doses you give test subjects (usually animals, except for in the case of vaccines, then it is our children) until half of them die, that is your " Lethal dose, 50% percentile " , then the FDA knows you can back off so much on the dose to have your " therapeutic dose " , the P450 activity is the drug interaction activity. Well with glyconutrients, phytonutrients, phytosterols, etc, this could never be established. The more give, the more the " animal " or person thrives. Okay, enough science there, sorry. There is so much to this. We got our child's supplements through MannaRelief's HOPE program. (online application or download the PDF and fax it) The medical director is Dr. Reg Mc also head of Fisher Institute for Medical Research in Dallas. All their case studies, restrospective, etc is published at the Fisher's website. Anyway, it costs us $125 per month to get everything our child needed (whatever they determined that to be when we applied.) You can sign up for sponsorship if you can't afford it, your child goes to a waiting list (they have that list online so people can review and sponsor kids). We have always sponsored our own child, it is done in 6 month increments, you fax in a status report that you fill out, and you can keep renewing every six months if you choose until they are 18. (You will see the Blessings program on that site as well, that is for missions and orphanages overseas). It is tax-deductible because they are a non-profit (which is nice if you itemize your taxes.) Aside from children who are medically fragile (which is who qualifies for HOPE program, ADD qualifies) adults and the rest of us can buy directly from the company that developed and patented this supplement, Advanced Ambrotose. Mannatech, Inc. in Coppell is the company. I usually only tell people about MannaRelief because most of the people I am trying to help are families like mine was and I want them to be clear that I just want to help them, I am not trying 'TO SELL " anything. In fact, so that people understand my motive is true. I prefer that you go straight to Mannatech and not through me, I don' t refuse people, I just encourage them to ignore me and get the stuff that works! I care not about making money on this other than, if one day I am blessed financially because of it I can finally give it to everyone in my family that can't afford it. It is way important that we be eating these nutrients (we used to eat decades ago) until the food was corrupted and lifestyles got crazy. There is a new magazine that went on the shelves in September I believe. Here's that link http://breakthroughsinhealth.com/glyco/ you might slide into a and Noble and read through it to get some education (it also has a CD in it from what I understand.) Also, Mannatech associates put on FREE trainings and bring in doctors and researchers all over the US and are super active in the Houston Area. The best contact I know in Houston is Joe Woolsey, he is head of one of those groups - his email address is: askjoe@... (you simply go for the education, there is much to learn). Okay, I know I have probably overwhelmed you and I apologize for the long post, but hopefully that will get you and anyone interested steered in the right direction. Let me encourage you and everyone, that if you are " dealing " with any health issue at all, don't settle for it, decide that " it " is a trespasser and it is time to run it off. I used to have severe bone spurs on my spine (X-ray before and now I have the MRI that shows they are gone), I knew they were gone because all the back pain left). My dad who has had 3 heart attacks and two triple bypass surgeries and several angioplasties, etc. has been on $300 worth of meds for 20+ years for high cholesterol and you name it, he takes ZERO meds now, mows the lawn as needed, his last bypass surgery was in 1993 and his cholesterol is TOTALLY NORMAL and he was 70 this year. This is only 2 of about 30 major things that have happened in our family. It has truly CHANGED OUR LIVES to not slave to a medical world that is not here to get us well, but instead just keep us alive long enough to make more money. Sorry if that sounds a bit rude, but we can honestly say now we know that was what was happening to all of us. NO MORE, Praise God!! Blessings, Dena Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> > ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> > ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> > ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 a child sitting and looking away while at task may have a neurological problem that directly causes him to respond to stimuli other than the task or the child has learned that looking away and 'not doing' causes something more desireable to occur such as task removal/prompts that get him through, a shorter task, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Right. Basic ABA principle. This seems to be a universal problem with our kids. Whatever is the underlying etiology- whether neurological or behavioral- the resulting behavior is what needs to be addressed. msdiannecan wrote: a child sitting and looking away while at task may have a neurological problem that directly causes him to respond to stimuli other than the task or the child has learned that looking away and 'not doing' causes something more desireable to occur such as task removal/prompts that get him through, a shorter task, etc. 'Don't be humble. You're not that great.' --- Golda Meir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Thank you for the information. I am wondering if anybody else has had success similar to yours, particularly with a lower functioning child. I always wonder where all of these " cured " kids are?! We hear it all the time, and yet their parents don't shout it from the rooftops as you might imagine they would. I know I would. If my child were cured, you couldn't shut me up for a second. You understand that we have to be very skeptical and cautious since most of us are already stretched to the limit trying this and that, some therapies work, some do not, etc. We spend every last dollar to help our children. It's not just money that is not well spent, it's hope that's dashed. It's an emotional investment for us. Here's another barrage of questions for you: How long did you do this " protocol " for your child before you started seeing results? Can you tell us how high functioning he was prior to this treatment? What had you used before? Were you doing any other simultaneous treatments, such as ABA? What were the specific improvements? Has your child been reevaluated and has lost his diagnosis? Regards, Aliza Dena LaRoux wrote: Hi Aliza, Thank you, we are truly walking in the blessing. We never participated in any studies (The Endowment is fairly new, about 2 years old.) The Scripps Institute was given a $53 million grant by NIH about 3 or 4 years ago to do research on glyconutrients and impacts on health, disease conditions and disorders. -by the way Oxford University has their own Glycobiology school and they do allow access to many of their papers - http://glycob.oxfordjournals.org/ To get your feet wet here, you can go to www.glycoscience.org <http://www.glycoscience.org/> and start with the introductory papers to learn what this is all about. There are tons of tapes, CD's, DVD's, videos, books, you name it at www.glycotools.com <http://www.glycotools.com/> . This science is discussed in detail in Chapter 53 of the Harper's Biochemistry textbook used by many medical schools now, but this is way more mainstream " medically " in the UK and Europe and Japan and even Australia. Big pharma does not welcome this new technology in the US. MIT's February, 2003 edition of Technology Review Magazine called " Glycomics " one the ten top emerging technologies that will change the world. There is a reason for that statement. If you see the picture here, you'll know there is something worth looking into. FDA has already passed on this for two reasons. They only regulate DRUGS. Not food supplements. These micronutrients are not going to kill you EVER. If you are going to go through FDA drug trials you have to establish 2 things, and LD-50 rating and P450 activity. Well the LD-50 rating means (Lethal dose 50% percentile) You have to keep elevating the doses you give test subjects (usually animals, except for in the case of vaccines, then it is our children) until half of them die, that is your " Lethal dose, 50% percentile " , then the FDA knows you can back off so much on the dose to have your " therapeutic dose " , the P450 activity is the drug interaction activity. Well with glyconutrients, phytonutrients, phytosterols, etc, this could never be established. The more give, the more the " animal " or person thrives. Okay, enough science there, sorry. There is so much to this. We got our child's supplements through MannaRelief's HOPE program. (online application or download the PDF and fax it) The medical director is Dr. Reg Mc also head of Fisher Institute for Medical Research in Dallas. All their case studies, restrospective, etc is published at the Fisher's website. Anyway, it costs us $125 per month to get everything our child needed (whatever they determined that to be when we applied.) You can sign up for sponsorship if you can't afford it, your child goes to a waiting list (they have that list online so people can review and sponsor kids). We have always sponsored our own child, it is done in 6 month increments, you fax in a status report that you fill out, and you can keep renewing every six months if you choose until they are 18. (You will see the Blessings program on that site as well, that is for missions and orphanages overseas). It is tax-deductible because they are a non-profit (which is nice if you itemize your taxes.) Aside from children who are medically fragile (which is who qualifies for HOPE program, ADD qualifies) adults and the rest of us can buy directly from the company that developed and patented this supplement, Advanced Ambrotose. Mannatech, Inc. in Coppell is the company. I usually only tell people about MannaRelief because most of the people I am trying to help are families like mine was and I want them to be clear that I just want to help them, I am not trying 'TO SELL " anything. In fact, so that people understand my motive is true. I prefer that you go straight to Mannatech and not through me, I don' t refuse people, I just encourage them to ignore me and get the stuff that works! I care not about making money on this other than, if one day I am blessed financially because of it I can finally give it to everyone in my family that can't afford it. It is way important that we be eating these nutrients (we used to eat decades ago) until the food was corrupted and lifestyles got crazy. There is a new magazine that went on the shelves in September I believe. Here's that link http://breakthroughsinhealth.com/glyco/ you might slide into a and Noble and read through it to get some education (it also has a CD in it from what I understand.) Also, Mannatech associates put on FREE trainings and bring in doctors and researchers all over the US and are super active in the Houston Area. The best contact I know in Houston is Joe Woolsey, he is head of one of those groups - his email address is: askjoe@... (you simply go for the education, there is much to learn). Okay, I know I have probably overwhelmed you and I apologize for the long post, but hopefully that will get you and anyone interested steered in the right direction. Let me encourage you and everyone, that if you are " dealing " with any health issue at all, don't settle for it, decide that " it " is a trespasser and it is time to run it off. I used to have severe bone spurs on my spine (X-ray before and now I have the MRI that shows they are gone), I knew they were gone because all the back pain left). My dad who has had 3 heart attacks and two triple bypass surgeries and several angioplasties, etc. has been on $300 worth of meds for 20+ years for high cholesterol and you name it, he takes ZERO meds now, mows the lawn as needed, his last bypass surgery was in 1993 and his cholesterol is TOTALLY NORMAL and he was 70 this year. This is only 2 of about 30 major things that have happened in our family. It has truly CHANGED OUR LIVES to not slave to a medical world that is not here to get us well, but instead just keep us alive long enough to make more money. Sorry if that sounds a bit rude, but we can honestly say now we know that was what was happening to all of us. NO MORE, Praise God!! Blessings, Dena Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> > ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> > ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> > ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I believe that whatever is generating thee behavior needs to be addressed. Motivating a learner to participate in the learning process is the key to most any child, right? The greatest challenge we face is to make/modify the material that will carry the concept through. Teachers in our classrooms, most often, are not able to provide the individualized learning materials that the choosy learner needs to help him become and stay engaged. Learner specific tasks geared to preference and ability are necessary for our kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Great questions - I am very interested in hearing the responses, as well......My son has been seeing Dr. Rao, DAN doctor in Carrollton for a while now, and has been on a number of bio-medical supplements, chelation, etc.......Not sure we are seeing any differences - anyone having success with this??...Thanks Debbie Vasquez Coca-Cola North America Region Media Director West Central Region Tel: Email: devasquez@... Aliza Ratterree Sent by: Texas-Autism-Advocacy 10/02/2006 11:23 AM Please respond to Texas-Autism-Advocacy To Texas-Autism-Advocacy cc Subject RE: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? Thank you for the information. I am wondering if anybody else has had success similar to yours, particularly with a lower functioning child. I always wonder where all of these " cured " kids are?! We hear it all the time, and yet their parents don't shout it from the rooftops as you might imagine they would. I know I would. If my child were cured, you couldn't shut me up for a second. You understand that we have to be very skeptical and cautious since most of us are already stretched to the limit trying this and that, some therapies work, some do not, etc. We spend every last dollar to help our children. It's not just money that is not well spent, it's hope that's dashed. It's an emotional investment for us. Here's another barrage of questions for you: How long did you do this " protocol " for your child before you started seeing results? Can you tell us how high functioning he was prior to this treatment? What had you used before? Were you doing any other simultaneous treatments, such as ABA? What were the specific improvements? Has your child been reevaluated and has lost his diagnosis? Regards, Aliza Dena LaRoux wrote: Hi Aliza, Thank you, we are truly walking in the blessing. We never participated in any studies (The Endowment is fairly new, about 2 years old.) The Scripps Institute was given a $53 million grant by NIH about 3 or 4 years ago to do research on glyconutrients and impacts on health, disease conditions and disorders. -by the way Oxford University has their own Glycobiology school and they do allow access to many of their papers - http://glycob.oxfordjournals.org/ To get your feet wet here, you can go to www.glycoscience.org <http://www.glycoscience.org/> and start with the introductory papers to learn what this is all about. There are tons of tapes, CD's, DVD's, videos, books, you name it at www.glycotools.com <http://www.glycotools.com/> . This science is discussed in detail in Chapter 53 of the Harper's Biochemistry textbook used by many medical schools now, but this is way more mainstream " medically " in the UK and Europe and Japan and even Australia. Big pharma does not welcome this new technology in the US. MIT's February, 2003 edition of Technology Review Magazine called " Glycomics " one the ten top emerging technologies that will change the world. There is a reason for that statement. If you see the picture here, you'll know there is something worth looking into. FDA has already passed on this for two reasons. They only regulate DRUGS. Not food supplements. These micronutrients are not going to kill you EVER. If you are going to go through FDA drug trials you have to establish 2 things, and LD-50 rating and P450 activity. Well the LD-50 rating means (Lethal dose 50% percentile) You have to keep elevating the doses you give test subjects (usually animals, except for in the case of vaccines, then it is our children) until half of them die, that is your " Lethal dose, 50% percentile " , then the FDA knows you can back off so much on the dose to have your " therapeutic dose " , the P450 activity is the drug interaction activity. Well with glyconutrients, phytonutrients, phytosterols, etc, this could never be established. The more give, the more the " animal " or person thrives. Okay, enough science there, sorry. There is so much to this. We got our child's supplements through MannaRelief's HOPE program. (online application or download the PDF and fax it) The medical director is Dr. Reg Mc also head of Fisher Institute for Medical Research in Dallas. All their case studies, restrospective, etc is published at the Fisher's website. Anyway, it costs us $125 per month to get everything our child needed (whatever they determined that to be when we applied.) You can sign up for sponsorship if you can't afford it, your child goes to a waiting list (they have that list online so people can review and sponsor kids). We have always sponsored our own child, it is done in 6 month increments, you fax in a status report that you fill out, and you can keep renewing every six months if you choose until they are 18. (You will see the Blessings program on that site as well, that is for missions and orphanages overseas). It is tax-deductible because they are a non-profit (which is nice if you itemize your taxes.) Aside from children who are medically fragile (which is who qualifies for HOPE program, ADD qualifies) adults and the rest of us can buy directly from the company that developed and patented this supplement, Advanced Ambrotose. Mannatech, Inc. in Coppell is the company. I usually only tell people about MannaRelief because most of the people I am trying to help are families like mine was and I want them to be clear that I just want to help them, I am not trying 'TO SELL " anything. In fact, so that people understand my motive is true. I prefer that you go straight to Mannatech and not through me, I don' t refuse people, I just encourage them to ignore me and get the stuff that works! I care not about making money on this other than, if one day I am blessed financially because of it I can finally give it to everyone in my family that can't afford it. It is way important that we be eating these nutrients (we used to eat decades ago) until the food was corrupted and lifestyles got crazy. There is a new magazine that went on the shelves in September I believe. Here's that link http://breakthroughsinhealth.com/glyco/ you might slide into a and Noble and read through it to get some education (it also has a CD in it from what I understand.) Also, Mannatech associates put on FREE trainings and bring in doctors and researchers all over the US and are super active in the Houston Area. The best contact I know in Houston is Joe Woolsey, he is head of one of those groups - his email address is: askjoe@... (you simply go for the education, there is much to learn). Okay, I know I have probably overwhelmed you and I apologize for the long post, but hopefully that will get you and anyone interested steered in the right direction. Let me encourage you and everyone, that if you are " dealing " with any health issue at all, don't settle for it, decide that " it " is a trespasser and it is time to run it off. I used to have severe bone spurs on my spine (X-ray before and now I have the MRI that shows they are gone), I knew they were gone because all the back pain left). My dad who has had 3 heart attacks and two triple bypass surgeries and several angioplasties, etc. has been on $300 worth of meds for 20+ years for high cholesterol and you name it, he takes ZERO meds now, mows the lawn as needed, his last bypass surgery was in 1993 and his cholesterol is TOTALLY NORMAL and he was 70 this year. This is only 2 of about 30 major things that have happened in our family. It has truly CHANGED OUR LIVES to not slave to a medical world that is not here to get us well, but instead just keep us alive long enough to make more money. Sorry if that sounds a bit rude, but we can honestly say now we know that was what was happening to all of us. NO MORE, Praise God!! Blessings, Dena Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> > ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> > ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> > ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Very good questions, Aliza. We began the MannaRelief protocol in August of 2003. We started seeing " new " things happen in September (late September), I will explain further down. Where he was functionally at age 2-3 was this: Screamed and cried most of the time that he was not in our care. I never let anyone keep him after we figured out " something was wrong " . To back up he was fine until 9 months of age. Slept great, age great, laughed, babbled, crawled, was trying to walk, everything was great until about 9 ? months old (we had three shots at 9 months by the way). Progressively life got very difficult. No more sleeping, mostly I had a very unhappy child. He didn't begin to get physically ill until about 12 months of age (adding cow's milk didn't help) but we didn't know yet, started having chronic diarrhea, adding probiotics in his milk helped some, but it never completely went away all the way to age 6. Lots of ear infections, although we never did tubes, we got through those, but he was always dealing with allergies, and a cold and pretty short tempered. Physcially he could be impossible to handle if got too angry. He could talk, he used some sentences correctly, but other times, the words came out weird, he would speak quite literally, he said " My brain is hot " a LOT when he was 3. He could not be outside in the heat for long at all. We poured water down him and over time he began to crave water (clean water). We moved back to Texas from Tucson in 2000 and at age 3 ? finally got him potty trained (we thought we did quite well here), used the M & M rewards system and it just worked for him. The other thing you should know, at age 18 months he knew all his letters upper and lower case out of order. Not because we forced him to he would bring us a block and say " what " and we'd say " s, or m or whatever the letter was " and from them on he KNEW IT. The Montessori school in Tucson was quite impressed with him as far as his ability to learn; but they had to learn the HARD way how to work with him. He did have a temper. Anyway in June of 2001 (age 3) I put him in a private church school and he did great during the summer session - he went from 9-3 and had a ball (but of course I had to pack his lunch as he would eat very limited foods. PBJ mostly. The fall session is where we crashed. In October he turned 4 and by Christmas the school was asking us to pull him out, that " they couldn't handle a behavior problem child. " He got in so much trouble every day and it was all due to inability to communicate and his intolerance for certains textures, sounds, face to face contact, this seemed to be increasing and getting more severe with age. His " awareness " made his world harder for him to tolerate. The following spring we put him into Anger Management Therapy (play therapy) with an LPC and this did improve his behavior some and explained a lot to us, then the public school got involved and that is where the diagnosis came for Asperger's and then he was enrolled in PPCD / PreK class. A miserable experience for the first semester. In October of that year he turned 5 and just before the Christmas break we decided the Asperger's interventions (along with the school staff) were not working. So we went to Dr ph Eubanks at the Texas Neuroscience Institute in San for formal testing and evaluation. That is where the Semantic Pragmatic Disorder diagnosis came in and a WHOLE NEW LIST of interventions (totally different from Asperger's interventions) and they worked like a charm in school. The school put Dr. ph on their list of MAJOR CONTACTS at that point for all the other kids having the same troubles as our Cade. This was Dec, 2002. (During this whole time, all we had done was listen to the pediatrician who helped us NOT ONE BIT, and did Anger Management Therapy. We didn't do anything to change diet really (we were already " natural " people in a certain sense. NO SODAS, NO ARTIFICAL SWEETENERS OR ANYTHING, reduce sugar, reduce sugar, reduce sugar, that type of stuff.) We were not savvy about MILK, were not educated at all on the missing nutrients in the good food, had no clue about all the metal in processed foods, I still had a mouth full of amalgam fittings at that time, we were STILL VACCINATING just like the doctor told us to. Then in June of 2003, family friends came to our door (after much prayer on our part) and told us about MannaRelief. That August we started taking the stuff (we debated for sometime about this, because we were very uneducated in this area) and in September, my son who NEVER transitions smoothly (we have to take the same route home everyday to avoid a meltdown) shocked me. We had just put our house on the market, I went in to tell him someone had called and we needed to get out of the house quickly so they could come look (just as I was about to offer to go get ice cream as my bargaining tool to avoid a fit) my son turns around and looks at me and says, " okay Mommy where are my shoes? " I have a hard time typing this right now, because those were they most beautiful words I had ever heard come out of his mouth. I turned around so he wouldn't see the tears welling up in my eyes and cleared my throat and I said- " I am not sure let's see if we can find them. " I can't tell you guys what this moment was like, you just have to know or you just can't know, and you Mom's dealing with these special kids I feel certain know what this means. Anyway, that was the glimmer of hope I had to have to see what all had been happening in his little body for the past month he'd been taking these sugars. There is a reason our kids want sugar so bad, but it is the wrong kind of sugar they are getting. Their bodies can convert sucrose (table sugar) into the 8 biological sugars- glucose, mannose, fucose, xylose, galactose, n-acetylglucosamine, n-acetylgalatctosamine and n-acetylneuraminic acid. (or NANA) it takes a lot of enzymatic reactions to make this happen and lots of energy so lots of sucrose is required to do this, but no wonder they want sugar!!!! They need these 8 biological sugars that are the blueprint for life. You don't replicate DNA to RNA without them and when they are missing you make bad cells with poor DNA quality and it just keeps repeating itself over and over. Anyway, slowly over the next 2 years, we watched him bloom. No more illness and I do mean NONE, no more 12-15 days of sick time from school. Now were missing 1 or 2 days per year maybe and making friends and writing legibly and going places and eating out and laughing and having healthy bowel movements (the BM's normalized within 2 months) we added some GI-Zyme - digestive enzymes with glyconutrients in them for red meat and dairy especially because after experimenting we learned that the proteins were hard for him to digest and he would get a little anxious with those things in his system. Enzymes made that completely disappear. Now mind you the entire time, God was teaching us to speak over him THE WORD, " he has the mind of Christ " and believe in this and we learned how to invoke Mark 11:23 and 16:23 and 24 into our lives. But this provision he brought way before we started understanding the Lord's voice in Spirit and through His word. He is so merciful -and Jesus commanded us to pray " thy will be done ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN " - there is no autism in heaven because there is no agreement with it in heaven. We have to demand more here just like He told us to. Cade is a social creature. He bumps up against some challenges sometimes, but no more sagging shoulders. That depression is GONE. He knows who he is and he is empowered by the word, we make sure of that daily. We pray over him, with him and he prays over us and with us. He amazes me, but what he really does is he shows me so much about our Father in Heaven. We just don' t realize sometimes what is at our disposal. Anyway, I am getting off track here some. I have considered taking Cade back to Dr. Eubanks for re-evaluation and to get it in writing where he is neurologically. It cost money to do that, so I haven't done it yet. I can do it, but I would be spending money to prove to people what I already know. The Lord just hasn't led me to do that yet. If He does I will spend the money. Right now I am just loving my kids and having a ball and I pray and expect for everyone who has an ear to hear, LET HIM HEAR TRUTH. Seek and you shall find, that is what we did. Always have your " peace " meter on and never move out of fear in any direction. FAITH IS HOPE AND FAITH IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE, never be afraid to trust your creator. Truly I can say the best thing we learned was to " SPEAK THINGS THAT ARE NOT " YET " AS THOUGH THEY ARE, BECAUSE THEY WILL SOON BE. " God spoke the world into existence. Abraham had to say his name in order for IT TO COME TO PASS. Remember God had to change his name because after waiting 25 years, Abram still didn't 'SAY' I am Father of many nations. " But when God said now you are Abraham (which in Hebrew means Father of many nations) he had to go around and re-introduce himself to everyone speaking the fact that he was indeed FATHER OF MANY NATIONS, 3 months later Isaac was finally conceived. SPEAK IT, SPEAK IT AND EVENTUALLY YOU WILL BELIEVE IT. Didn't mean to preach friends, I am just very passionate about what the Lord has shown me. Bless you all! (I can't believe I just signed up for this group 2 days ago.) Re: ? Nutraceuticals / Natural Combination Supplements for ADD Symptoms ? I just took my son to an OT in Arlington last week who told me that a lot of kids like my son and also kids with ADHD have underdeveloped reflexes and that if the reflexes can be worked on, the ADHD significantly improves. The OT is so knowledgeable and I am very impressed with her. Michele Aliza Ratterree < alizaratterree@... <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> <mailto:alizaratterree%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi , We are in precisely the same situation. We've tried just about everything we could afford until it became clear that medications, at least for now, were the last, best option. I know many people would not agree with our decision to go the pharma route, but our daughter did not respond to anything- homeopathics/chelation/diet, etc. We tried Brightspark, there was no difference in our daughter, but I would encourage you to try their products, they have a money back policy if it doesn't work, and please share with the group improvements you see, if any. Best of luck, Aliza Raphael < michael@... <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> <mailto:michael%40deadseasouls.net> > wrote: Recently, it has become clear that one of the biggest problems for our 8 y/o son w/ Autism, is an inability to focus and pay attention. While this has always been a part of the problem, it now seems as if it is his biggest problem by far. We would prefer not to medicate him until we've exhausted all the alternatives. Today, I did a search for some Natural alternatives to ADD drugs, and found a lot of them out there, but 3 of them seemed to dominate. Vaxa's Attend ( http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> > < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> < http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html <http://www.nomoreadd.com/gaw3.html> > > ) Neu's beCALM'd ( http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> > < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> < http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/ <http://nutritionalaminoacids.com/> > > ) Native Remedies' BrightSpark ( http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> > < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> < http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml <http://www.nativeremedies.com/brightspark_for_add.shtml> > > ) Have any of you had any experience with these or other natural supplements? Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessed be, :-) www.DeadSeaSouls.net < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> < http://www.deadseasouls.net/ <http://www.deadseasouls.net/> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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