Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 > > > > I tend to think it is more a deterioration of society. > L.< > > ~~~That's true too, but maybe I'm the only one old enough, (at least in this group), to be able to remember all the things that got dropped from education. The elimination of phonetics itself was a big loss. (Sorry, if I'm ruffling some teacher's feathers.) > Carol > True, true! I think lots of people never actually learn to read. I've seen it happen many times, where someone will look at a word, but what they say has nothing to do with the letters in the word. It seems that almost everyone is dyslexic these days. But when did that happen? When I was a kid, people just learned to read words by means of letters. Now I really wonder if the methods of teaching cause dyslexia. I know some experts think so. I'm teaching my own daughter with the Alpha-Phonics primer. But I'm also hearing about how her friends are learning to read in school, and it makes me cringe. They have a list of words for them to know by sight by the end of the year, and they're noticing the sounds at the beginnings and ends of words. Why don't they just teach them to read words? It's really quite simple. Carol, you really need to stop saying things that get me going! I'm trying to stay off this thread. Aven > > ____________________________________________________________ _____ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ~~~I think they were being dropped about the time I was in grade school, (which was the 1950s), because the students who came after me learned the 'new' math and all new methods. I noticed all this, because I have nieces and nephews who were just a few years younger than me, and they were instructed with all the new methods. -Carol ----------- Carol, you might be pleased to know that those of us homeschooling our children in the classical approach have brought phonics back. Actually, it has made a comeback in elementary education as of late, I believe. But then, my kids could read before I ever tried teaching them. Hyperlexia is common among autistics, btw. I was instructed in new math a couple of decades after you were in school. Sets, sets and more sets. Fortunately, I made it through and came to love mathematics, completing two years of calculus and differential equations with linear algebra with flying colors. I guess it's like Yoda from Star Wars fame said, " You must unlearn what you have learned. " In this world, I focus mainly on math and science. These skills are sorely lacking and sorely needed in the public at large. Language has just changed so much with technology. Now, we do basic writing of stories, reports, persuasive essays and all of that. I actually give my children blank pages to fill, which is unheard of in most public schools these days. No TV screens with bright colors and flashing lights to numb their brains, I tell you. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 >>> It seems that almost everyone is dyslexic these days. But when did that happen?<<< When more and more people ate highly processed foods and stopped getting the essential fatty acids they need. http://www.dyslexic.org.uk/aboutdyslexia11.htm " Many people with dyslexia or related conditions (such as dyspraxia or ADHD) show signs of being deficient in essential (unsaturated) fatty acids. Deficiency of these may be due to their replacement by high levels of saturated fats in the typical modern Western diet, and to the decline in consumption of fish. The modern high incidence of cardiovascular and other serious diseases has been linked to this deficiency. It may also help to cause dyslexic problems because these fatty acids play an important part in the proper functioning of the brain cells involved in reading.. If so, the lack of fatty acids in our modern diet could have a particularly noticeable impact on dyslexics. We are currently researching the relationship between fatty acids and dyslexia. " ****************** Cheers, Tas'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 >Carol, you might be pleased to know that those of us homeschooling our children in the classical approach have brought phonics back. Actually, it has made a comeback in elementary education as of late, I believe. But then, my kids could read before I ever tried teaching them. Deanna< That is really great to hear! Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 > In a message dated 11/8/04 8:16:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > twyllightmoon@y... writes: > > > It would be nice if there was a spellchecker built into > > the posting program. I couldn't see myself cutting and > > pasting every post I write somewhere else so I could > > spellcheck it. Personally, I'd rather have people feel free > > to communicate here without being self-conscious about > > spelling & grammar. > ____ > > ~~~~> Your email client doesn't have a spellchecker? > Chris Don't know - I never really looked for one. Aven > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them > make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, > which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of > the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray > ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those > who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 It's not just in the classical approach.... We are unschoolers here. My 11 year old is working on teaching the 4 year old phonics right now...he wants to learn. What's funny is when the 21 month old comes out doing phonetic sounds! Of course he's learning the letters too! LOL! He'll be SO easy when he gets to school age! heehee! L. > > >Carol, you might be pleased to know that those of us homeschooling our >children in the classical approach have brought phonics back. Actually, >it has made a comeback in elementary education as of late, I believe. >But then, my kids could read before I ever tried teaching them. > >Deanna< > >That is really great to hear! >Carol > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Just a general remark about phonics, learning to read, etc.... Actually, to be honest, I have no idea what " phonics " even refers to in this thread or in general, but I'm assuming it's some kind of artificial educational tool relating to reading and pronunciation... I have absolutely no memory whatsoever of my early learning experiences, either inside or outside of school, except that I remember taking turns in class reading a story or something in, say, 1st grade, and that there were different levels of ability, which fed (stuffed) my ego, a trend which spiralled out of control in ensuing years. As far as I know or can remember, reading is something that is just learned spontaneously and subconsciously by exposure to text and spoken text. The idea of using explicit, conscious systems, like I presume " phonics " to be, sounds like an absurdity to me, a delusional preoccupation of overzealous educators. The way the human brain learns things hasn't yet been successfully systematized to the point where we can write computer programs to simulate it or write curricula to explicitly instill it, two tasks which are essentially equivalent. My best guess about how I personally learned to read is that my parents read to me while I viewed the source text, a typical parent-child scenario. I doubt there was any other activity involved in learning to read, and I know for sure I could read before I ever stepped foot into a classroom. The fact is that there probably have always been and continue to be many parents who don't do this, so in our cultures where an historically unusually high percentage of children are submitted to formal education, schoolteachers attempt to compensate with superficial methods wherein they explicitly convey the patterns of text-sound mappings, a hopelessly complex task that has largely stumped the best scientific minds to date. My parents were not especially well-educated or intelligent, more or less average, but valued human-text interactions to an extent typical of their culture and the result was successful learning of reading through routine, unforced activities that I seriously doubt involved any explicit teaching of text-sound relationships. Some of the comments in this thread suggest the common error of thinking language should be taught. It's not that it can't, but that it rarely needs to be. Any language in any culture is learned spontaneously and naturally by children without any teaching of any kind, from mere exposure to language use. The kinds of things being talked about here, specifically reading, are not part of language, but rather secondary, artificial appendages to language, on par with any number of other arbitrary symbol systems people learn for various reasons at various stages of life. To be clear, *written language* does not equal *language*. The former is an arbitrary symbol system some cultures have supplemented their languages with. As such, these systems are learned differently, and much less naturally, which justifies special educational activities like reading to children, but does not inherently justify the kind of explicit teaching of *theories of these systems*, such as <fill in the blank for your favorite theory of sound-text mappings geared towards young children>. I don't think it's necessary to teach reading at all beyond teaching in the sense of " implementing learning opportunities " , e.g. parent/child joint-reading sessions. People who attempt to " teach " their kids reading via analytical systems are just deluding themselves and wasting their and their kids' time. In cases like Chris' probably was, the kids learned it via the inscrutable complex ways of the human brain interacting with an informational domain in unsystematic and subconscious ways, just like most other things are learned, not via being " taught " . His distaste for these " attempted being taught " experiences probably results from their baroque absurdity, superfluity, and displacement of more valuable activities. On the matter of " grammar " , that it something properly understood as a part of language, which, like all parts of language, is automatically learned without any teaching of any kind, and barring rare neurological defects or the like, it's essentially impossible to learn " incorrect " grammar. I think what some of you in this thread are talking about is learning **theories of grammar**, which do not equal *grammar* itself, the sorts of half-assed and profoundly flawed theories typical of schoolteachers, and most conspicuously, theories of grammars for dialects that 1) don't actually exist outside of the fantasies of a tiny subculture of pedants, or 2) that are not native to the students, or 3) conflate language and written language, which, being deeply separate systems, cannot be said to both have " grammars " in the same sense. These are just brief, stream-of-consciousness comments and unfortunately I don't have the time or interest to really express my thoughts clearly on these tired topics... Mike SE Pennsylvania The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 >>>These are just brief, stream-of-consciousness comments and<<< Define 'brief'. >>>unfortunately I don't have the time or interest to really express my thoughts clearly on these tired topics...<<< So why did you start it? *** [*note to all the awful people who constantly misspell " lose " that this is the real word " loose " that is spelled with two " o " s... This error has been driving me crazy in the past year or two since I noticed it occurring **constantly** and even from very well-educated people.... My message to everyone: PLEASE STOP MISSPELLING " lose " !!!I have not even began to vent on this here!] Mike SE Pennsylvania *** Cheers, Tas'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 You people really make me feel old. I can remember back before phonetics was the rage! > When was phonetics eliminated? I know that geography was dropped before I > had any classes in that. I enjoy homeschooling my kids because of all the > things I get to learn! I can't wait for jr.high! LOL! Of course, this is one > of thew reasons I homeschool. I want my children to learn all the basics, > not just pass a test. > L. > > > > > >I tend to think it is more a deterioration of society. > > L.< > > > >~~~That's true too, but maybe I'm the only one old enough, (at least in > >this group), to be able to remember all the things that got dropped from > >education. The elimination of phonetics itself was a big loss. (Sorry, if > >I'm ruffling some teacher's feathers.) > >Carol > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Deanna " > Carol, you might be pleased to know that those of us homeschooling our > children in the classical approach have brought phonics back. Yep, yep. When I read to my children, we discuss what words and letters sound like. I had to laugh yesterday when my oldest tried to spell " house " and produced the classic " howse " a la Pooh. It led to an interesting discussion. Actually, > it has made a comeback in elementary education as of late, I believe. > But then, my kids could read before I ever tried teaching them. > Hyperlexia is common among autistics, btw. Here, too. Even my 4 yo, who I considered to be language delayed, is starting to demonstrate word recognition. > I was instructed in new math a couple of decades after you were in > school. Sets, sets and more sets. Fortunately, I made it through and > came to love mathematics, completing two years of calculus and > differential equations with linear algebra with flying colors. I guess > it's like Yoda from Star Wars fame said, " You must unlearn what you have > learned. " Oh, Gawd! I remember that. Terribly confusing and my parents had *no* clue as to how to help me. I still suffer from math anxiety. Your words give me hope! Looking back, I can see what they were *trying* to do with new math, but I think that they were trying it on an age group before the appropriate physical brain maturation.....wasted effort and debilitating, actually. With my children, we play math games and look for patterns and rhythms in math. I'd rather they learn the principle behind the process than memorize the facts.....I figure they can do that later. My favorite math tool are cuisinaire rods. > In this world, I focus mainly on math and science. These skills are > sorely lacking and sorely needed in the public at large. Language has > just changed so much with technology. Now, we do basic writing of > stories, reports, persuasive essays and all of that. I actually give my > children blank pages to fill, which is unheard of in most public schools > these days. No TV screens with bright colors and flashing lights to > numb their brains, I tell you. Well, we use quite a bit of electronic media here, but I'm selective about our poisons. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...> > ~~~~~> No, but your ruffling the feathers of a former first-grader! Ugh, > phonics was such a waste of time... I should have burned my phonics workbook. > > Chris The educational philosopher in me says it was the workbook that was the waste of time, not the phonics. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: " " > >>> It seems that almost everyone is dyslexic these days. But when did that happen?<<< > > When more and more people ate highly processed foods and stopped getting the essential fatty acids they need. > > http://www.dyslexic.org.uk/aboutdyslexia11.htm > > " Many people with dyslexia or related conditions (such as dyspraxia or ADHD) show signs of being deficient in essential (unsaturated) fatty acids. <nodding> It is currently becoming popular in Autism Spectrum groups (of which ADHD is classified) to use CLO supplements as part of the regimen. I'm afraid it might end up being faddish, like the original Feingold diet..... --s, who really needs to buy stock in RxOmega's parent company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lillig " > It's not just in the classical approach.... We are unschoolers here. My 11 > year old is working on teaching the 4 year old phonics right now...he wants > to learn. What's funny is when the 21 month old comes out doing phonetic > sounds! Of course he's learning the letters too! LOL! He'll be SO easy when > he gets to school age! heehee! > L. Been peeking in our windows, ? My youngest isn't really talking yet and still goes around warbling the tunes to the learning songs the olders are singing...LOL! --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ------------------ > Looking back, I can see what they were *trying* to do with new math, > but I think that they were trying it on an age group before the > appropriate physical brain maturation..... -- s ---------------------- My dad has a tizzy every time he speaks to me of the new math, and how its creator - some guy, I forget- was some idiot all into teaching the world can be broken into sets, subsets, intersecting sets, unions, blah, blah, blah, rant, rant, rant. My father taught college level physics courses, until retirement, btw. I have a friend in grad school now. She is planning to teach high school biology in the public sector. She tells me her educational experience is all about classroom management, psychology of the classroom, and other lame-brained ideas that actually take away from the teaching of a vitally important subject. I think Mike made some very good points along these lines. ----------------------- >> No TV screens with bright colors and flashing lights to numb their brains, I tell you. - Deanna > > Well, we use quite a bit of electronic media here, but I'm selective > about our poisons. -s -------------------- Yes, well, we have the *educational* software, videos and the like. I was meaning to comment on their use in the classroom. I feel they are entertaining and very distracting to learning language and symbol based learning. They are for after school. The internet has its place for research and current events. Television is not ever viewed in this house. I have been personally insulted by the lack of intelligent programming since 1983, when I gave it up for good. I see, on occasional visits to places where TVs are blaring, that it has gotten progressively vile and worthless. No offense is intended to anyone. It's just my opinion and responsibility as a parent to guide my children towards proper growth physically, mentally, etc. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 He'll be SO easy when he gets to school age! heehee! - L. What do you mean WHEN he gets to school age? Isn't every age an age to learn? An eager learner is fun to engage! , he's learning now. And we never get too old either... at least not for learning. Years ago my son's well-meaning preschool teacher instructed me that if I homeschooled my children, their knowledge base would never exceed mine. As a young mother these words scared me for awhile. But I got over it, because this sort of thinking is flawed for at least 2 reasons: 1. Kids can and do learn about many things all by themselves. 2. My ability to learn is still intact, thank you very much. My brain can actually handle more, the ol' memory bank ain't full yet. I can continue to convey ideas as well. Thanks be to God. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 , >>So why did you start it? Cheers, Tas'. << ~~~Plus, you mentioned " pendants " with their " half-assed and profoundly flawed theories " - and yet, I believe it was you who pedantically started the whole issue in the first place, with " lose " and " loose " . :-) Carol *** [*note to all the awful people who constantly misspell " lose " that this is the real word " loose " that is spelled with two " o " s... This error has been driving me crazy in the past year or two since I noticed it occurring **constantly** and even from very well-educated people.... My message to everyone: PLEASE STOP MISSPELLING " lose " !!!I have not even began to vent on this here!] Mike SE Pennsylvania *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 >>You people really make me feel old. I can remember back before phonetics was the rage!<< ~~~Unless, you're over 100 years old, I don't think so! (Bet I'm older than you, if you think that, because you're probably thinking of the more recent revival of Phonetics with the advertisements on TV some years ago, for a product that's based on phonetics......now I can't remember the name of it, but it's still around, I think.) Phonetics evidently started in 1891 in Finland! See below. Carol a.. 1891: Hugo Pipping was appointed Docent of Phonetics. a.. 1903: A phonetic laboratory was established. The laboratory got new equipment, which implies the unofficial establishment of the Department of Phonetics. The laboratory had early connections with physiology and language studies, especially with those of Finnish and Saami. http://www.helsinki.fi/hum/hyfl/history.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 In a message dated 11/9/04 1:01:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, michaelantonparker@... writes: > The idea of using explicit, conscious systems, like I > presume " phonics " to be, sounds like an absurdity to me, a delusional > preoccupation of overzealous educators. ____ ~~~~~> Same here. Of course, I'm biased by my own experience-- I started reading when I was 2, and was writing around 2 1/2 (pretty sloppily!). My mother didn't really " teach " me to read, methodically. She just read to me constantly, and would usually read with her finger under the text she was reading, so that if I was looking, I was making an association with the text I saw and the words she was speaking. Common and easy words like " and " and " it, " etc, she would ask me in the middle of reading, and when I would get them right consistently she'd ask me other words. It seems to me that making sound-text associations within the context of sensible sentences would quite obviously be vastly superior to dissociated syllables that have no context to be associated with whatsoever. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 >Looking back, I can see what they were *trying* to do with new math, but I >think that they were trying it on an age group before the appropriate >physical brain maturation.....wasted effort and debilitating, actually. >With my children, we play math games and look for patterns and rhythms in >math. I'd rather they learn the principle behind the process than memorize >the facts.....I figure they can do that later. My favorite math tool are >cuisinaire rods. I found an old math text at a garage sale, from MY childhood, and we are using that. She loves it. Step by step, lots of examples, and both of us like knowing where we've been and where we are going. We do games too, but she's always had an issue with the basics and getting in the habit of writing things down neatly. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 In a message dated 11/9/04 8:03:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, snoakes@... writes: > The educational philosopher in me says it was the workbook that was the > waste of time, not the phonics. ____ ~~~~~> If you mean phonics is not a waste of time in the sense that we can't speak without making sounds, I agree. Otherwise, I think " teaching phonics " is probably counter-productive in the sense that it displaces more valuable ways of learning to read, is very boring, and causes the retention of traumatic memories. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 In a message dated 11/9/04 9:46:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, hl@... writes: > He'll be SO easy when he gets to school age! heehee! - L. > > What do you mean WHEN he gets to school age? Isn't every age an age to > learn? An eager learner is fun to engage! , he's learning now. > And we never get too old either... at least not for learning. ____ ~~~~~> You know, I'd consider the possibility that he'll be that much more difficult when he gets to school age, if he goes to school. I was an early learner of all sorts of things, and public school was nothing other than a torturous hell for me until I got to eighth grade and made it a point to make lots of trouble, which was the only fun I got out of school. I was put into many " excelling " sections of classes, where me and one or two others would do work ahead of the class. Unfortunatley, these were usually much too easy and boring, and it got worse when in third grade I was doing remedial work even in the excel group, limited either by the capabilities of the other person in the group or the teachers expectations or whatever. After that, I was with the rest of the class until sixth grade science. I don't think I ever learned any math throughout all of elementary school. Unfortunately, I had maxed out my mother's knowledge of math at around first grade, and neither the school nor the family offered me the opportunity to learn more until years later when I'd lost interest in academics for a period. I wrote a letter to the principal and had a meeting with him in fifth or sixth grade to raise concerns about the curriculum. He said not to worry and promised me I'd be put into pre-algebra in seventh grade. I'm so glad he understood! *rolls eyes* Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Deanna, Sorry, I must not have been clear. I simply meant when he got to " public school age " ! (Or possibly an age where I would " formally " introduce " book learning " to him.) I chose to unschool for those exact reasons. School does not have a beggining of the year for us, as we " school " every day. Of course I am modeling the behavior that learning does not stop at any age either. (Otherwise what would I be doing on this list! LOL) I am simply impressed with the fact that in a family with multiple children, the younger children seem to " do " things earlier than " normal " (check the pediatric charts, not that I agree with them, but it gives an idea of what to expect other people to expect.) I mean he is only 21 months old, and he knows his colors, numbers through 10, learning letter names, and phonetic sounds, and he can recognize his name (because it starts with 'A' he says) and his brother's name (by the first letter. We often get two of the same thing and write teir names on them.) My oldest is going to be 12 in a few weeks, and that is how long I have been homeschooling! And the day that I stop learning, is the day I die! Life is full of wonders to be learned about! L. > > He'll be SO easy when he gets to school age! heehee! - L. > >What do you mean WHEN he gets to school age? Isn't every age an age to >learn? An eager learner is fun to engage! , he's learning now. >And we never get too old either... at least not for learning. > >Years ago my son's well-meaning preschool teacher instructed me that if >I homeschooled my children, their knowledge base would never exceed >mine. As a young mother these words scared me for awhile. But I got >over it, because this sort of thinking is flawed for at least 2 reasons: > >1. Kids can and do learn about many things all by themselves. > >2. My ability to learn is still intact, thank you very much. My brain >can actually handle more, the ol' memory bank ain't full yet. I can >continue to convey ideas as well. Thanks be to God. > >Deanna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Too true. Unless you have a child that needs gold stars to show everyone else...then they come in handy! LOL L. > > > ~~~~~> No, but your ruffling the feathers of a former first-grader! >Ugh, > > phonics was such a waste of time... I should have burned my phonics >workbook. > > > > Chris > >The educational philosopher in me says it was the workbook that was the >waste of time, not the phonics. > >--s > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hear! Hear! (Do you think typing tutor and Zaboomafoo are poison? -being sarcastic...) L. > >Well, we use quite a bit of electronic media here, but I'm selective about >our poisons. > >--s > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lillig " > Hear! Hear! (Do you think typing tutor and Zaboomafoo are poison? -being > sarcastic...) > L. Yeah, we've got Zaboomafoo and a huge file of other edutainment software. My kids have absorbed an amazing amount of information from just playing. My oldest has the learning style that the programmers had in mind when they designed these games.....he will wring every bit of information out of each one. And my 4 yo will sit endlessly and watch him play or try to wrestle with programs that are waaay over his head. But it is paying off, since the oldest is functioning significantly above age/grade and the 4 yo is starting to do 1st grade math.... Scary. And I agree that tv media isn't all that it could be, but when I see the kids watching Life of Mammals, The Magic School Bus, and Blue/Dinosaur Planet over and over and over and over.....well, it's hard for me to say " no " to that. I regularly, however, say " no " to Cartoon Network. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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