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What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your

area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one

per region? My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I

think that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am currently

having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism specialist (now

that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin

ISD) and they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to

develop behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works

for our son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role

at our school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one

shadow and teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and

provide new ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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I would ask your son's teacher or whoever is conducting the evaluation who the

autism specialist is and tell them you want to make sure they are on your son's

team to lend their expertise in autism. I am a proactive type and would call

everyone you've been dealing with to make your wishes known. You can even call

the front office to ask for the autism specialist. Once you find out that

person's name, reach out to them personally and let them know your concerns and

ask how they can help. You might request a meeting with the autism specialist

so you can bring them up to speed on your son's special needs, ask them to

observe him in the class and follow up to see what suggestions they might have.

Then evaluate their ideas with your own and make sure they are implemented in

his daily routine. How old is your son again?

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am

currently having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism

specialist (now that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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Hello,

My name is Fisher and I am an OT who is looking for a shadow for one of

my clients 3-4 hours per day 5 dyas per week. Does anyone have any resources or

people they know who might be interested?

Thanks,

Michele McCants wrote:

How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am

currently having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism

specialist (now that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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Where are you located?

Maggie

Fisher wrote:

Hello,

My name is Fisher and I am an OT who is looking for a shadow for one of my

clients 3-4 hours per day 5 dyas per week. Does anyone have any resources or

people they know who might be interested?

Thanks,

Michele McCants wrote:

How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am currently

having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism specialist (now

that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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I am located in Bellaire. My client lives and goes to school near Fondren and S.

Braeswood.

Maggie Everts wrote:

Where are you located?

Maggie

Fisher wrote:

Hello,

My name is Fisher and I am an OT who is looking for a shadow for one of my

clients 3-4 hours per day 5 dyas per week. Does anyone have any resources or

people they know who might be interested?

Thanks,

Michele McCants wrote:

How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am currently

having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism specialist (now

that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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He's 3, going on 4 in December. Thanks for your help!

Michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

I would ask your son's teacher or whoever is conducting the evaluation

who the autism specialist is and tell them you want to make sure they are on

your son's team to lend their expertise in autism. I am a proactive type and

would call everyone you've been dealing with to make your wishes known. You can

even call the front office to ask for the autism specialist. Once you find out

that person's name, reach out to them personally and let them know your concerns

and ask how they can help. You might request a meeting with the autism

specialist so you can bring them up to speed on your son's special needs, ask

them to observe him in the class and follow up to see what suggestions they

might have. Then evaluate their ideas with your own and make sure they are

implemented in his daily routine. How old is your son again?

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

How do you get the autism specialist to be a part of the ARD? I am currently

having my son evaluated by the AU team and would like the autism specialist (now

that I know there is one!) to be involved.

Thanks!

michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

There are several autism specialists in our school district (Austin ISD) and

they work with the teachers (gen ed, spec ed, music, art, PE, etc) to develop

behavioral charts, reward systems and a customized schedule that works for our

son. We are lucky to have an experienced autism specialist in a new role at our

school as counselor so she is able to consult with Tyler's one-on-one shadow and

teachers on a regular basis as well as observe Tyler routinely and provide new

ideas for working with him all the time.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

What is this autism specialist and what is their role? There is one per region?

My son is in the middle of an AU evaluation on the Ft. Worth area (I think

that's region 11?). Should this autism specialist be involved with his

evaluation???

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

The autism specialist at the local ESC should know of them in your area

if you don't get enough response from the list.

http://autism.esc2.net/consult.asp

Tonya

Question?

My name is Telfeyan, I work for Bluebonnet Trails MHMR as a

Service Coordinator for the Autism program. Many of the parents of my

consumers are looking for Psychiatrists or psychologists that specialize

in Autism and/or Aspergers. I know of two but there must be more. I

work the Round Rock, town, and Leander/Cedar Park areas, any help

would be great.

Thank you again,

Telfeyan

1009 N. town St.

Round Rock, TX 78664

jaimetelfeyan@...

Office: 244-8345

Cell:751-7004

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A good shadow is difficult to find as shadowing is one of the hardest things

to do well. Graham Garza maintains a FEAT-Houston therapist list that

may have some possibilities, but you should look for someone with

experience. She's on this list or you can contact her through the website

www.feathouston.org.

S.

RE: Question? Tonya

I am located in Bellaire. My client lives and goes to school near Fondren

and S. Braeswood.

Maggie Everts wrote:

Where are you located?

Maggie

Fisher wrote:

Hello,

My name is Fisher and I am an OT who is looking for a shadow for one

of my clients 3-4 hours per day 5 dyas per week. Does anyone have any

resources or people they know who might be interested?

Thanks,

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Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he said

that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like making sure

they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is only one of her

for the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that she does not get involved

on a personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on which

region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many in each region.

Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he basically has the

role that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU evaluation

of my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a speech class) is

that he told me when we met to go over some of the questionnaires that I filled

out that he cannot diagnose him if he is diagnosable, only identify what his

eduational needs are based on the testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How

can he not diagnose him if he has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have

him tested independently right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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I'm posting this again, because this is a very subtle concept to grasp. In

Texas there is no such limitation as there is in Georgia, however, the

limitation of school personnel only determining educational need still

applies.

S.

Diagnosis vs. Eligibility:

What is the difference?

This article was recently published in the

Autism Interest Group of ABA's Newsletter

The issue of Diagnosis vs. Eligibility comes up from time to time.

It is very frustrating for parents because, in my experience, neither

the schools nor the physicians do a particularly good job of

explaining either and none do a good job of explaining both. I must

say that as a clinical psychologist starting out years ago consulting

on school issues the question of Eligibility and all the issues

relating to it was very confusing for me. After having participated

in hundreds of IEPs over the past 10+ years and having done many ASD

evaluations I can say that most often confusion on this issue arises

from miscommunication.

To diagnose ASDs in Georgia one needs to be either a Licensed

Psychologist or a Physician. Since nearly none of the school systems

in Georgia employ either it is nearly impossible for them to have

diagnosed a child with an ASD (or to offer an alternative

diagnosis). What schools do is determine Eligibility via the IEP

Committee process. Just as the schools can not diagnose legally -

physicians and psychologists can not " order " or dictate eligibility

to the schools. The two are distinct and have completely different

meanings and purposes. A child can hold a legitimate diagnosis of

Autism and not have the Autism Eligibility. Usually the alternative

is SDD. While I know many have expressed concern with that

eligibility it remains a legitimate Federally defined eligibility

category that quite often a child with a diagnosis of Autism

qualifies under according to the regulations. The debate over the

use of SDD as an option is a political issue that is outside the

scope of this article. The functional question is whether or not the

child is receiving appropriate services to meet all their identified

needs.

The schools charge is to determine a child's needs and place them

into an eligibility based on the identification of needs and services

appropriate to meet those needs. Remember, a diagnosis is a label

that covers thousands of people none of whom is the same as your

child. A diagnosis of Autism (or any ASD) alone is never sufficient

to determine what combination of services a specific child actually

needs. This means that often when given a diagnosis by a

pediatrician or other physician they have insufficient information in

the report (often just a letter) to meet the school's obligation to

identify all the child's needs. The schools answer when confronted

by insufficient information is often to provide an evaluation by

their staff. One issue that arises when this offer is made is that

many school staff do a poor job of telling the parent that this does

NOT mean they are 'rejecting' the diagnosis offered - which leads to

misunderstandings and mistrust. It can mean that they need a great

deal more specific information to provide appropriate services on an

ongoing basis than they were provided with by the physician. It has

been my experience that psychologists can also provide reports with

insufficient information but this seems to have occurred less often

in my experience - principally because we conduct testing and usually

offer more than our diagnosis based on an interview with parents and

a single limited observation. The bottom line is that very specific

and clear information on the nature of the child's needs, skills,

deficits, and strengths is absolutely essential to developing the

best IEP possible. By doing so the chances that the child will

benefit from the services offered by the school increase dramatically.

If the school conducts their evaluation(s) and makes recommendations

this is the point at which clear and penetrating assessment of the

nature of the reports is essential. If the parent reviews the

reports (which must be provided to them AND the person that wrote the

report and conducted the evaluation must offer to explain the

contents) and finds it does not adequately reflect the issues that

they see in their child they have the absolute right to contest the

information and request an Independent Educational Evaluation (IEE).

This means that you and the schools must agree on an independent

professional who has the appropriate training and the legal right to

independently conduct the evaluation that you are asking for on your

child. The essential idea is that the person doing the IEE is paid

for by the schools (like how your insurance company pays your

physicians) but that they are working for your child (not for the

parents). Again, the idea here is to provide clear and

comprehensive information on the needs of the child so that the

adults can agree on what the child needs and how to proceed with

providing the indicated services.

I hope that this helps. I hope that this note may help some who are

as confused about the differences (very real ones) between diagnoses

and eligibility as I was years ago. If I can answer any questions on

this topic please contact me.

W. Montgomery, Ph.D.

Director, Autism Spectrum Assessment Program

Licensed Psychologist & Board Certified Behavior Analyst

P. O. Box 1572

335 Parkway 575 - Suite 220

Woodstock, GA 30188

http://www.behavior-consultant.com

- Fax

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RE: Question? Tonya

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he

said that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like

making sure they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is

only one of her for the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that she

does not get involved on a personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on

which region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many in

each region. Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he

basically has the role that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU

evaluation of my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a

speech class) is that he told me when we met to go over some of the

questionnaires that I filled out that he cannot diagnose him if he is

diagnosable, only identify what his eduational needs are based on the

testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How can he not diagnose him if he

has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have him tested independently

right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good

answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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,

Thanks so much for posting this...again! I think I am grasping it now! I

don't, however, know what " SDD " , stands for. Also, what do you mean that Texas

has no such limitation. Can you explain that? (I'm very concrete, can ya tell?

lol)

Thanks so much!

Michele

Singleton wrote:

I'm posting this again, because this is a very subtle concept to

grasp. In

Texas there is no such limitation as there is in Georgia, however, the

limitation of school personnel only determining educational need still

applies.

S.

Diagnosis vs. Eligibility:

What is the difference?

This article was recently published in the

Autism Interest Group of ABA's Newsletter

The issue of Diagnosis vs. Eligibility comes up from time to time.

It is very frustrating for parents because, in my experience, neither

the schools nor the physicians do a particularly good job of

explaining either and none do a good job of explaining both. I must

say that as a clinical psychologist starting out years ago consulting

on school issues the question of Eligibility and all the issues

relating to it was very confusing for me. After having participated

in hundreds of IEPs over the past 10+ years and having done many ASD

evaluations I can say that most often confusion on this issue arises

from miscommunication.

To diagnose ASDs in Georgia one needs to be either a Licensed

Psychologist or a Physician. Since nearly none of the school systems

in Georgia employ either it is nearly impossible for them to have

diagnosed a child with an ASD (or to offer an alternative

diagnosis). What schools do is determine Eligibility via the IEP

Committee process. Just as the schools can not diagnose legally -

physicians and psychologists can not " order " or dictate eligibility

to the schools. The two are distinct and have completely different

meanings and purposes. A child can hold a legitimate diagnosis of

Autism and not have the Autism Eligibility. Usually the alternative

is SDD. While I know many have expressed concern with that

eligibility it remains a legitimate Federally defined eligibility

category that quite often a child with a diagnosis of Autism

qualifies under according to the regulations. The debate over the

use of SDD as an option is a political issue that is outside the

scope of this article. The functional question is whether or not the

child is receiving appropriate services to meet all their identified

needs.

The schools charge is to determine a child's needs and place them

into an eligibility based on the identification of needs and services

appropriate to meet those needs. Remember, a diagnosis is a label

that covers thousands of people none of whom is the same as your

child. A diagnosis of Autism (or any ASD) alone is never sufficient

to determine what combination of services a specific child actually

needs. This means that often when given a diagnosis by a

pediatrician or other physician they have insufficient information in

the report (often just a letter) to meet the school's obligation to

identify all the child's needs. The schools answer when confronted

by insufficient information is often to provide an evaluation by

their staff. One issue that arises when this offer is made is that

many school staff do a poor job of telling the parent that this does

NOT mean they are 'rejecting' the diagnosis offered - which leads to

misunderstandings and mistrust. It can mean that they need a great

deal more specific information to provide appropriate services on an

ongoing basis than they were provided with by the physician. It has

been my experience that psychologists can also provide reports with

insufficient information but this seems to have occurred less often

in my experience - principally because we conduct testing and usually

offer more than our diagnosis based on an interview with parents and

a single limited observation. The bottom line is that very specific

and clear information on the nature of the child's needs, skills,

deficits, and strengths is absolutely essential to developing the

best IEP possible. By doing so the chances that the child will

benefit from the services offered by the school increase dramatically.

If the school conducts their evaluation(s) and makes recommendations

this is the point at which clear and penetrating assessment of the

nature of the reports is essential. If the parent reviews the

reports (which must be provided to them AND the person that wrote the

report and conducted the evaluation must offer to explain the

contents) and finds it does not adequately reflect the issues that

they see in their child they have the absolute right to contest the

information and request an Independent Educational Evaluation (IEE).

This means that you and the schools must agree on an independent

professional who has the appropriate training and the legal right to

independently conduct the evaluation that you are asking for on your

child. The essential idea is that the person doing the IEE is paid

for by the schools (like how your insurance company pays your

physicians) but that they are working for your child (not for the

parents). Again, the idea here is to provide clear and

comprehensive information on the needs of the child so that the

adults can agree on what the child needs and how to proceed with

providing the indicated services.

I hope that this helps. I hope that this note may help some who are

as confused about the differences (very real ones) between diagnoses

and eligibility as I was years ago. If I can answer any questions on

this topic please contact me.

W. Montgomery, Ph.D.

Director, Autism Spectrum Assessment Program

Licensed Psychologist & Board Certified Behavior Analyst

P. O. Box 1572

335 Parkway 575 - Suite 220

Woodstock, GA 30188

http://www.behavior-consultant.com

- Fax

Copyright C 1996-2006 Reinforcement Unlimited . All Rights Reserved

RE: Question? Tonya

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he

said that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like

making sure they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is

only one of her for the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that she

does not get involved on a personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on

which region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many in

each region. Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he

basically has the role that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU

evaluation of my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a

speech class) is that he told me when we met to go over some of the

questionnaires that I filled out that he cannot diagnose him if he is

diagnosable, only identify what his eduational needs are based on the

testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How can he not diagnose him if he

has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have him tested independently

right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good

answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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I believe educators do not feel qualified to diagnose a medical condition and

reserve that for physicians. They will evaluate him to recommend his

educational needs.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he said

that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like making sure

they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is only one of her for

the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that she does not get involved on a

personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on which

region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many in each region.

Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he basically has the role

that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU evaluation of

my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a speech class) is that

he told me when we met to go over some of the questionnaires that I filled out

that he cannot diagnose him if he is diagnosable, only identify what his

eduational needs are based on the testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How

can he not diagnose him if he has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have

him tested independently right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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I'm not sure, but it may be the Georgia term for what we call SED in Texas,

Serious Emotional Disturbance, or it could also be SDD Speech Delay and

Development.

Often kids who the school doesn't think have the educational need under

autism

are given services for kids with speech delay--especially at a young age.

S.

RE: Question? Tonya

,

Thanks so much for posting this...again! I think I am grasping it now! I

don't, however, know what " SDD " , stands for. Also, what do you mean that

Texas has no such limitation. Can you explain that? (I'm very concrete,

can ya tell? lol)

Thanks so much!

Michele

Singleton wrote:

I'm posting this again, because this is a very subtle concept to

grasp. In

Texas there is no such limitation as there is in Georgia, however, the

limitation of school personnel only determining educational need still

applies.

S.

Diagnosis vs. Eligibility:

What is the difference?

This article was recently published in the

Autism Interest Group of ABA's Newsletter

The issue of Diagnosis vs. Eligibility comes up from time to time.

It is very frustrating for parents because, in my experience, neither

the schools nor the physicians do a particularly good job of

explaining either and none do a good job of explaining both. I must

say that as a clinical psychologist starting out years ago consulting

on school issues the question of Eligibility and all the issues

relating to it was very confusing for me. After having participated

in hundreds of IEPs over the past 10+ years and having done many ASD

evaluations I can say that most often confusion on this issue arises

from miscommunication.

To diagnose ASDs in Georgia one needs to be either a Licensed

Psychologist or a Physician. Since nearly none of the school systems

in Georgia employ either it is nearly impossible for them to have

diagnosed a child with an ASD (or to offer an alternative

diagnosis). What schools do is determine Eligibility via the IEP

Committee process. Just as the schools can not diagnose legally -

physicians and psychologists can not " order " or dictate eligibility

to the schools. The two are distinct and have completely different

meanings and purposes. A child can hold a legitimate diagnosis of

Autism and not have the Autism Eligibility. Usually the alternative

is SDD. While I know many have expressed concern with that

eligibility it remains a legitimate Federally defined eligibility

category that quite often a child with a diagnosis of Autism

qualifies under according to the regulations. The debate over the

use of SDD as an option is a political issue that is outside the

scope of this article. The functional question is whether or not the

child is receiving appropriate services to meet all their identified

needs.

The schools charge is to determine a child's needs and place them

into an eligibility based on the identification of needs and services

appropriate to meet those needs. Remember, a diagnosis is a label

that covers thousands of people none of whom is the same as your

child. A diagnosis of Autism (or any ASD) alone is never sufficient

to determine what combination of services a specific child actually

needs. This means that often when given a diagnosis by a

pediatrician or other physician they have insufficient information in

the report (often just a letter) to meet the school's obligation to

identify all the child's needs. The schools answer when confronted

by insufficient information is often to provide an evaluation by

their staff. One issue that arises when this offer is made is that

many school staff do a poor job of telling the parent that this does

NOT mean they are 'rejecting' the diagnosis offered - which leads to

misunderstandings and mistrust. It can mean that they need a great

deal more specific information to provide appropriate services on an

ongoing basis than they were provided with by the physician. It has

been my experience that psychologists can also provide reports with

insufficient information but this seems to have occurred less often

in my experience - principally because we conduct testing and usually

offer more than our diagnosis based on an interview with parents and

a single limited observation. The bottom line is that very specific

and clear information on the nature of the child's needs, skills,

deficits, and strengths is absolutely essential to developing the

best IEP possible. By doing so the chances that the child will

benefit from the services offered by the school increase dramatically.

If the school conducts their evaluation(s) and makes recommendations

this is the point at which clear and penetrating assessment of the

nature of the reports is essential. If the parent reviews the

reports (which must be provided to them AND the person that wrote the

report and conducted the evaluation must offer to explain the

contents) and finds it does not adequately reflect the issues that

they see in their child they have the absolute right to contest the

information and request an Independent Educational Evaluation (IEE).

This means that you and the schools must agree on an independent

professional who has the appropriate training and the legal right to

independently conduct the evaluation that you are asking for on your

child. The essential idea is that the person doing the IEE is paid

for by the schools (like how your insurance company pays your

physicians) but that they are working for your child (not for the

parents). Again, the idea here is to provide clear and

comprehensive information on the needs of the child so that the

adults can agree on what the child needs and how to proceed with

providing the indicated services.

I hope that this helps. I hope that this note may help some who are

as confused about the differences (very real ones) between diagnoses

and eligibility as I was years ago. If I can answer any questions on

this topic please contact me.

W. Montgomery, Ph.D.

Director, Autism Spectrum Assessment Program

Licensed Psychologist & Board Certified Behavior Analyst

P. O. Box 1572

335 Parkway 575 - Suite 220

Woodstock, GA 30188

http://www.behavior-consultant.com

- Fax

Copyright C 1996-2006 Reinforcement Unlimited . All Rights Reserved

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that makes sense, but this is a psychologist (and can't pychologists diagnose

autism???) and he's on a team of two different diagnosticians, an OT, 2 STs, and

who knows who else? This is a very thorough evaluation. They have 60 days to

complete it and it's looking like they are going to use every one of those days!

lol I believe it is much more throrough than an evaluation I could have done

through a developmental pediatrician or psychologist.

Just my thoughts!

Michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

I believe educators do not feel qualified to diagnose a medical

condition and reserve that for physicians. They will evaluate him to recommend

his educational needs.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he said

that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like making sure

they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is only one of her for

the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that she does not get involved on a

personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on which

region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many in each region.

Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he basically has the role

that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU evaluation of

my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a speech class) is that

he told me when we met to go over some of the questionnaires that I filled out

that he cannot diagnose him if he is diagnosable, only identify what his

eduational needs are based on the testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How

can he not diagnose him if he has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have

him tested independently right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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What is saying is true, schools can only determine educational

need, BUT the psychologist our school used DID diagnose our son with

autism. The psychologist wasn't EMPLOYED by the school though so that

may be the difference. I know staff from ESC-17 regularly diagnose too.

That's part of what makes Texas schools so much fun; they're all

INDEPENDENT and make the most of it!

Tonya

RE: Question? Tonya

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and

he

said that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like

making sure they know about autism training, etc. He said since there

is

only one of her for the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that

she

does not get involved on a personal level with children and families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on

which region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many

in

each region. Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that he

basically has the role that I was referring to (of the AU specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU

evaluation of my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a

speech class) is that he told me when we met to go over some of the

questionnaires that I filled out that he cannot diagnose him if he is

diagnosable, only identify what his eduational needs are based on the

testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How can he not diagnose him

if he

has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have him tested

independently

right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good

answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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Yes, psychologists can diagnose autism. The hang-up may be because they

are employed by the school. Go to the ARD and see what they offer. If

it's not sufficient, you can always ask for an IEE (Independent

Educational Evaluation). Schools don't like it though; cost them money

because they have to contract with someone in private practice.

Tonya

RE: Question? Tonya

that makes sense, but this is a psychologist (and can't pychologists

diagnose autism???) and he's on a team of two different diagnosticians,

an OT, 2 STs, and who knows who else? This is a very thorough

evaluation. They have 60 days to complete it and it's looking like they

are going to use every one of those days! lol I believe it is much

more throrough than an evaluation I could have done through a

developmental pediatrician or psychologist.

Just my thoughts!

Michele

Maggie Everts wrote:

I believe educators do not feel qualified to diagnose a

medical condition and reserve that for physicians. They will evaluate

him to recommend his educational needs.

Maggie

Michele McCants wrote:

Tonya,

I asked the pyschologist about the AU specialist in our region 11 and he

said that her role is just basically as a resource for the staff, like

making sure they know about autism training, etc. He said since there is

only one of her for the whole region (which includes Ft. Worth), that

she does not get involved on a personal level with children and

families.

I find it strange how this specialist's role is different depending on

which region they are in and also strange how there can be one or many

in each region. Is it a funding issue? The psychologist also said that

he basically has the role that I was referring to (of the AU

specialist).

Another thing that I found strange (we are in the middle of an AU

evaluation of my 3 1/2 year old son that I requested...he's already in a

speech class) is that he told me when we met to go over some of the

questionnaires that I filled out that he cannot diagnose him if he is

diagnosable, only identify what his eduational needs are based on the

testing. Is this normal? Is this right? How can he not diagnose him if

he has a diagnosis? I couldn't afford to go to have him tested

independently right now, so that is what I went through the school!

Thanks!

Michele

Tonya Hettler UA wrote:

Michele, sorry I missed your question. Looks like you got good answers

though. The link I provided was for the ESC Autism Specialists. The

ESCs function as a training resource for both schools AND families

although some don't make the family part very known. I'm lucky; ESC-17

is one of the good ones!

Some of the larger school districts also have Autism Specialists on

staff. I know Lubbock ISD does, but Idalou ISD, where my kids attend

doesn't.

Whether it's a school specialist or the ESC specialist, you're

completely within your rights to ask for their involvement.

Take care,

Tonya

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Part of the issue here is that many, if not most, school psychologists

are NOT PhD. level psychololgists. They are master's level LSSP's

(licensed specialist in school psychology).

Master's level LSSP's are allowed to practice psychology WITHOUT

SUPERVISION. Anywhere outside of school districts in Texas, master's

level psychologists are not allowed to diagnose or even test without

the SUPERVISION of a licensed psychologist. That is one reason why

many school districts cannot and will not " diagnose " but will test for

educational need. Sometimes, in districts where they actually have a

licensed, Ph.D. level psychologist, they think they can diagnose.

I think that is where the confusion is.

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thanks! That makes a lot of sense!

nna Bond wrote: Part of the issue

here is that many, if not most, school psychologists

are NOT PhD. level psychololgists. They are master's level LSSP's

(licensed specialist in school psychology).

Master's level LSSP's are allowed to practice psychology WITHOUT

SUPERVISION. Anywhere outside of school districts in Texas, master's

level psychologists are not allowed to diagnose or even test without

the SUPERVISION of a licensed psychologist. That is one reason why

many school districts cannot and will not " diagnose " but will test for

educational need. Sometimes, in districts where they actually have a

licensed, Ph.D. level psychologist, they think they can diagnose.

I think that is where the confusion is.

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Thanks nna! That was new info for me. Is the certification for

life or does it have to be renewed?

Tonya

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Master's level LSSP's are allowed to practice psychology WITHOUT

SUPERVISION. Anywhere outside of school districts in Texas, master's

level psychologists are not allowed to diagnose or even test without

the SUPERVISION of a licensed psychologist. That is one reason why

many school districts cannot and will not " diagnose " but will test for

educational need. Sometimes, in districts where they actually have a

licensed, Ph.D. level psychologist, they think they can diagnose.

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