Re: Radio Frequency

[Guest guest]

Ken, Essentially, yes. It does not have to be, however, as some high

frequency generators will do square waves and other more exotic

waveforms, but for the Ham community, yes, RF is essentially sine wave

since it's usually generated by resonant tuned circuits which produce

sine waves.

When the energy gets to the tube, it becomes a square wave since the

tube conducts and becomes a low-impedance load.

Rife's first Ray Machine was almost certainly a " standard " (all these

things were experimental in 1931) RF transmitter of the day (unknown who

built it, certainly not Rife who didn't know anything about transmitters

(confirmed later by Philip Hoyland, who built all of the later Ray

Machines until 1939.) The early transmitting tube catalogs had

schematics of what was almost certainly the first " Rife Machine. "

Hoyland added modulation and perhaps later on another carrier.

Dave Felt

http://www.dfe.net

Ken Uzzell wrote:

> Greetings,

>

> I was speaking with a ham radio operator the other day, he just got

interested in Rife technology.

>

> We were discussing RF, in which he commented that all RF is sine waves.

>

> I found this strange to my way of thingking (I'm obviously not a ham

radio person), but my RF plasma machine has its RF generated by a 250kHz

square wave. Question: Is true RF a sine wave, or doesn't it really matter?

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

Your ham friend is right from his and the commercial radio

world's point of view.

I've been a ham the last 36 years and had the commercial ticket some years

before that.

But you need to understand that both a square and a sine wave can be the same

frequency, while in the audio range you would not consider them differently,

except for harmonic generation, such as the output of Frex.

As you go up in frequency, at some much higher point people start calling the

signal radio frequency, in different bands. But that frequency is wave form

independent.

The main thing here is that the typical transmitter has an output wave form of

sine wave, beside the fact of the final amplifier stage driven by a sine wave

from prior stages in the amplifier chain, you have the tank circuit in the

output stage of inductance and capacitance and a flywheel effect. (you will note

if you strike a bell and listen to the output (your ears can tell) or scope it

from a microphone, it is a sine wave. Never heard a square wave bell, yet.

However, I could make an oscillator that goes into the range you and most people

call Radio Frequency, say 250 kHz, that was square wave. In rife service, I

would consider that, in communications, I would not.

Either wave form which has the same Rep rate and time between peaks is of the

same frequency, low, medium or high. In RF, the traditional usage, especially

for harmonic rejection, is the sine wave.

How you define where is the line RF begins is generally fixed in normal usage

but there are rare exceptions.

For example, most people would add a qualifier that the signal should also be at

a frequency which radiates off an antenna.

But an exception would be, where you would very likely say any signal from a

sound card is audio only and in the mechanical vibratory speaker rate, you would

be right. In pads or EMEM or R/B, you would still call that frequency, at least

the fundamental one, an audio signal.

Technically, any frequency you can get to resonate on an antenna of enough

length and that power of the signal which does not remain or return within the

near field and is radiated outward, thus defining the far field,

is a radio wave.

So, even though you would certainly consider frequencies within a range from

your sound card as pure audio,

frequencies in that range are pumped into hugely long antennas miles long, in

the megawatt region, that the submarines can hear if they are not too deep. If

radio equals wireless and if wireless usually infers RF then you would have to

call the frequency of submarine communication as RF, in that it was radiated.

Mike

Radio Frequency

Greetings,

I was speaking with a ham radio operator the other day, he just got interested

in Rife technology.

We were discussing RF, in which he commented that all RF is sine waves.

I found this strange to my way of thingking (I'm obviously not a ham radio

person), but my RF plasma machine has its RF generated by a 250kHz square wave.

Question: Is true RF a sine wave, or doesn't it really matter?

Another question :-)

A client has been diagnose with Ross River Fever, believed to be a virus. In

the past, for a quick cure, Aussie's just grab hold of an electric cattle fence,

and if you survive the shock, then you will be cured.

I noticed there isn't any frequency sets for the Australia Ross River Fever,

would anyone have any ideas what would be a good frequency set to look at or

try. I had thought Lyme disease, but know the bacteria here is probably very

different from a virus. Any thoughts or feed back appreciated.

Regards,

Ken

http://heal-me.com.au

Frex - CHIamp

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

I agree with most of what you said to Ken, I also made reply.

I do not agree that the wave form is changed from sine to square in the tube,

however.

First, we have to agree that the impedance of the tube is a function of the

voltage and current

at any given time, but impedance alone does not effect the waveform status, nor

does it rectify.

If a signal is, at it's peak voltage, just at the threshold of tube ignition,

that being a function

of pressure, gas fill type used and electrode spacing within the tube, then

there will be some

clipping of the sine wave. Slightly clipped sine wave is not a square wave.

But, as in the case of a R/B system or RF based system modulated with additional

information

( I will not say just audio here because the new R/B units have passbands /

basebands in the RF area, too)

the tube is still ionized from the last cycle, especially at 27 MHz and also the

driving voltage is often

more than well over the low pressure initial conduction point of the gas.

The gas has certain fall back times to ground state and this is slower than high

frequency RF.

In an air mixture, for example, in a discharge of low pressure such as the

northern lights or sprites over thunder storms, the glow that can be seen at ~

70 kilometers, of N2 gas in our air has a fall back time of ~ 6 microseconds.

That is to say, once the forcing voltage that took it to the glow mode is

removed, it is 2/3 of the way back to ground state in 6 microseconds and another

ionizing voltage (or energy) will need to drive it back up to higher orbits and

glow.

As these are operated in the arc discharge, thermalized mode, following the

initial firing of the tube, it is even easier to keep ionized. You can see this

low frequency effect as " flutter " on very low frequency signals, where the fall

back time and the cooling down time of the plasma channel is combined, to be

longer than or closer to the combined fall back time of the gas plus the cooling

of the arc channel.

A great example of this is in Tesla coils, where the prior pulse heats the

channel for the next discharge and the arc length grows each time, to the point

of over 35 feet (and counting).

But if you shorten the pulse rate, the channel cools, the path is not ionized

(at sea level pressure) and you get wimpy sparks.

In both cases, Tesla and discharge tube, the wave form will pass sine.

But, as the gas is nonlinear, it does make a great mixer / harmonic generator.

In that case of this mixing and harmonic generation, interesting products and

beats of both the sine wave RF carrier and the square wave audio (where used)

can be produced.

Regards,

Mike

Re: Radio Frequency

Ken, Essentially, yes. It does not have to be, however, as some high

frequency generators will do square waves and other more exotic

waveforms, but for the Ham community, yes, RF is essentially sine wave

since it's usually generated by resonant tuned circuits which produce

sine waves.

When the energy gets to the tube, it becomes a square wave since the

tube conducts and becomes a low-impedance load.

Rife's first Ray Machine was almost certainly a " standard " (all these

things were experimental in 1931) RF transmitter of the day (unknown who

built it, certainly not Rife who didn't know anything about transmitters

(confirmed later by Philip Hoyland, who built all of the later Ray

Machines until 1939.) The early transmitting tube catalogs had

schematics of what was almost certainly the first " Rife Machine. "

Hoyland added modulation and perhaps later on another carrier.

Dave Felt

http://www.dfe.net

Ken Uzzell wrote:

> Greetings,

>

> I was speaking with a ham radio operator the other day, he just got

interested in Rife technology.

>

> We were discussing RF, in which he commented that all RF is sine waves.

>

> I found this strange to my way of thingking (I'm obviously not a ham

radio person), but my RF plasma machine has its RF generated by a 250kHz

square wave. Question: Is true RF a sine wave, or doesn't it really matter?

[Guest guest]

Dear Ken,

Yes, true RF and true Audio Frequency are always sine wave. Fact. Please

feel free to refer to my previous postings under " sinewave v. square wave " .

Yours,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D.

Ken Uzzell wrote: Greetings,

Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through

unrelenting search.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

I like the electric fence fix. If maximum available current is

considerably less than 10mA then I would expect most people to

survive (if they don't have an electronic implant).

The HV output of TV flybacks is ~24,000V on up. At least with 27 "

and smaller sets this should be limited to less than 5mA.

I do Not recommend that anyone shock themselves. Just comparing

an electric fence to a flyback. Some of the lower voltages in TVs

can be deadly (much more available current).

Bil

PC 1000

M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator

http://magpulser.com

Mammoth Lakes, CA

mailto:magpulser@...

KU> Greetings,

KU> I was speaking with a ham radio operator the other day, he just got

interested in Rife technology.

KU> We were discussing RF, in which he commented that all RF is sine waves.

KU> I found this strange to my way of thingking (I'm obviously not a ham radio

person), but my RF plasma machine has its RF generated by a 250kHz square wave.

Question: Is true RF a sine wave, or

KU> doesn't it really matter?

KU> Another question :-)

KU> A client has been diagnose with Ross River Fever, believed to be a virus. In

the past, for a quick cure, Aussie's just grab hold of an electric cattle fence,

and if you survive the shock, then

KU> you will be cured.

KU> I noticed there isn't any frequency sets for the Australia Ross River Fever,

would anyone have any ideas what would be a good frequency set to look at or

try. I had thought Lyme disease, but know

KU> the bacteria here is probably very different from a virus. Any thoughts or

feed back appreciated.

KU> Regards,

KU> Ken

KU> http://heal-me.com.au

KU> Frex - CHIamp

KU>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Mike ..

In Ken's case, he's using an ignition coil system (EMEM) and the

frequencies used are generally where they'll be converted to what is a

dirty square wave with lots of noise as the gas ionizes. I ran across a

site where someone appeared to have what could turn into a detector for

" Rife Effect " energy .. have to find that again, and explore the idea.

We really need a detector for this!

Dave

Mike wrote:

> Hi Dave,

> I agree with most of what you said to Ken, I also made reply.

> I do not agree that the wave form is changed from sine to square in the tube,

however.

> First, we have to agree that the impedance of the tube is a function of the

voltage and current

> at any given time, but impedance alone does not effect the waveform status,

nor does it rectify.

> If a signal is, at it's peak voltage, just at the threshold of tube ignition,

that being a function

> of pressure, gas fill type used and electrode spacing within the tube, then

there will be some

> clipping of the sine wave. Slightly clipped sine wave is not a square wave.

> But, as in the case of a R/B system or RF based system modulated with

additional information

> ( I will not say just audio here because the new R/B units have passbands /

basebands in the RF area, too)

> the tube is still ionized from the last cycle, especially at 27 MHz and also

the driving voltage is often

> more than well over the low pressure initial conduction point of the gas.

> The gas has certain fall back times to ground state and this is slower than

high frequency RF.

> In an air mixture, for example, in a discharge of low pressure such as the

northern lights or sprites over thunder storms, the glow that can be seen at ~

70 kilometers, of N2 gas in our air has a fall back time of ~ 6 microseconds.

> That is to say, once the forcing voltage that took it to the glow mode is

removed, it is 2/3 of the way back to ground state in 6 microseconds and another

ionizing voltage (or energy) will need to drive it back up to higher orbits and

glow.

> As these are operated in the arc discharge, thermalized mode, following the

initial firing of the tube, it is even easier to keep ionized. You can see this

low frequency effect as " flutter " on very low frequency signals, where the fall

back time and the cooling down time of the plasma channel is combined, to be

longer than or closer to the combined fall back time of the gas plus the cooling

of the arc channel.

> A great example of this is in Tesla coils, where the prior pulse heats the

channel for the next discharge and the arc length grows each time, to the point

of over 35 feet (and counting).

> But if you shorten the pulse rate, the channel cools, the path is not ionized

(at sea level pressure) and you get wimpy sparks.

> In both cases, Tesla and discharge tube, the wave form will pass sine.

> But, as the gas is nonlinear, it does make a great mixer / harmonic generator.

> In that case of this mixing and harmonic generation, interesting products and

beats of both the sine wave RF carrier and the square wave audio (where used)

can be produced.

> Regards,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dave, Mike, Bil and Ian,

I've got a better grasp of what RF is now.

Regards,

Ken

[Guest guest]

I am sorry, but that is not the case.

RF, like in radio frequency, by meaning radio traffic (like the weather

report) is sinus.

But when we talk about RF from mobile phones, that is different.

We do have a sinus high frequency carrier, but the digital information is

hacked in very small pieces as lowfrequency pulses.

Those lowfrequency pulses are 10 Hz for Wlan, 17.6 Hz for TETRA, 217 Hz for

cellular phones, 1733 Hz for GSM base stations, and the pulsrate of the

organisation channel of 3G or UMTS is pulsed with 15.000 Hz.

The last one is a typical bioresonance frequency, and lies in between the

Royal Rife and Hulda frequency ranges.

So, when somebody is opposed to bioresonance therapy, one may state that the

goverments allow for this radiation around the clock for 24 hours a day, for

everybody, unvoluntary exposed.

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Re: Radio Frequency

> Thanks Dave, Mike, Bil and Ian,

>

> I've got a better grasp of what RF is now.

>

> Regards,

> Ken

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The acronym RF doesn't say anything about the wave form. It only

refers to a loosely defined range of the electro magnetic spectrum

used for radio communications. Also, a " square wave " is nothing but a

bunch of harmonic sine waves centered at the same frequency that, when

summed together, result in a square looking wave on an oscilloscope

screen. So a " square wave " does not exist in the physical world. It is

only a theoretical model of what would happen if an infinite bandwidth

signal would contain an infinite number of harmonic sine waves

centered at the same frequency. In the real physical world, we only

have square looking waves composed of real sine waves.

So yes square waves are possible in the RF spectrum buf they are

nothing but a bunch of harmonic sine waves centered at the same

frequency, all part of the RF spectrum. So in the real physical sense,

your friend is correct but in the abstract FFT sens, he is not quite

correct.

Robin

>

> Greetings,

>

> I was speaking with a ham radio operator the other day, he just got

interested in Rife technology.

>

> We were discussing RF, in which he commented that all RF is sine waves.

>

> I found this strange to my way of thingking (I'm obviously not a ham

radio person), but my RF plasma machine has its RF generated by a

250kHz square wave. Question: Is true RF a sine wave, or doesn't it

really matter?

>

> Another question :-)

>

> A client has been diagnose with Ross River Fever, believed to be a

virus. In the past, for a quick cure, Aussie's just grab hold of an

electric cattle fence, and if you survive the shock, then you will be

cured.

>

> I noticed there isn't any frequency sets for the Australia Ross

River Fever, would anyone have any ideas what would be a good

frequency set to look at or try. I had thought Lyme disease, but know

the bacteria here is probably very different from a virus. Any

thoughts or feed back appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Ken

> http://heal-me.com.au

> Frex - CHIamp

>

>