Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hi Bil, Not a difficult question for us. We discovered a few years ago that analogue signals in sinusoidal waveform were demonstrably superior in promoting healing and in microbe destruction. In our tests we only use analogue systems and only work with sine wave. Again, still about a year from publication, we are experiencing clear, repeatable, and dependable results which will not happen with a digital signal and is errtic with square, triangle, sawtooth and other modified waveforms. Let's remember this: Nature is analogue, sinusoidal in nature. All other waveforms or frequency sources such as square wave or digital are purely man made and a poor substitute for 'the real thing'. Warmest Regards, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. Bil Green wrote: It would be interesting to hear from people that have tried true analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. It's likely that one is better than the other for killing microbes or stimulating healing. So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear from people that got better using one or the other). Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a clue). Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Some manufactures claim old tubes are the only way to get a proper analog signal. Producing analog signals from a digital source is not a real problem. All that is needed is a DAC (digital to analog converter). If you want an instrument that outputs analog just ask the manufacture if their instrument outputs analog or digital. > Hi Bil, > > Not a difficult question for us. We discovered a few years ago that > analogue signals in sinusoidal waveform were demonstrably superior in > promoting healing and in microbe destruction. > > In our tests we only use analogue systems and only work with sine wave. > Again, still about a year from publication, we are experiencing clear, > repeatable, and dependable results which will not happen with a digital > signal and is errtic with square, triangle, sawtooth and other modified > waveforms. > > Let's remember this: Nature is analogue, sinusoidal in nature. All > other waveforms or frequency sources such as square wave or digital are > purely man made and a poor substitute for 'the real thing'. > > Warmest Regards, > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. > > Bil Green wrote: It would be > interesting to hear from people that have tried true > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > microbes or stimulating healing. > > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > from people that got better using one or the other). > > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > clue). > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > > > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers > through unrelenting search. > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on > new and used cars. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Ian MacLeod wrote: > Hi Bil, > > Not a difficult question for us. We discovered a few years ago > that analogue signals in sinusoidal waveform were demonstrably > superior in promoting healing and in microbe destruction. > > In our tests we only use analogue systems and only work with sine > wave. Again, still about a year from publication, we are > experiencing clear, repeatable, and dependable results which will not > happen with a digital signal and is errtic with square, triangle, > sawtooth and other modified waveforms. > > Let's remember this: Nature is analogue, sinusoidal in nature. All > other waveforms or frequency sources such as square wave or digital > are purely man made and a poor substitute for 'the real thing'. > > Warmest Regards, > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. Hi Ian, I know your research is still in progress, but can you tell us what your projected sample size is? How many different type of diseases will your test results cover? A digital signal can be made to approximate an analogue signal as close as you want. Any signal, whether analog or digital, will be shaped by the complex impedance of it's path. The current and voltage will be shifted slightly out of phase as it travels depending on the complex impedance of it's path. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Hi Ian, I think most of us want to believe that square wave is just as good as sine wave because of the multiple harmonics generated. This makes it easier to target pathogens of unknown MOR frequencies. With sine wave we would have to try specific MOR frequencies listed which would take too much time if your not sure. I found it interesting that you don't go above 15KHz when using your flyback type of coil. Quite a few MOR frequencies listed on the web go way above 15 KHz. Regards, It would be interesting to hear from people that have tried true > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > microbes or stimulating healing. > > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > from people that got better using one or the other). > > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > clue). > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > > > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Hi , Flyback transformers (they are not coils) are designed for 15kHz (for American TVs). Applying frequencies in he high kHz range may not work at all. They also have a pulsating DC output. Automobile ignition coils and almost every other type of transformer ever made has an AC output. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Hi Ian, m> I think most of us want to believe that square wave is just as good m> as sine wave because of the multiple harmonics generated. This makes m> it easier to target pathogens of unknown MOR frequencies. With sine m> wave we would have to try specific MOR frequencies listed which m> would take too much time if your not sure. m> I found it interesting that you don't go above 15KHz when using your m> flyback type of coil. Quite a few MOR frequencies listed on the web m> go way above 15 KHz. m> Regards, m> m> It would be interesting m> to hear from people that have tried true >> analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital >> signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. >> >> It's likely that one is better than the other for killing >> microbes or stimulating healing. >> >> So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear >> from people that got better using one or the other). >> >> Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better >> would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which >> type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a >> clue). >> >> Bil >> >> PC 1000 >> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >> http://magpulser.com >> Mammoth Lakes, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of m> answers through unrelenting search. >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & m> more on new and used cars. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Once you have wired the fly-back coil and provided for the frequencies desired, you can not change the frequencies any more. > wave we would have to try specific MOR frequencies listed which > would take too much time if your not sure. > I found it interesting that you don't go above 15KHz when using your > flyback type of coil. Quite a few MOR frequencies listed on the web > go way above 15 KHz. > > Regards, > > > > It would be interesting > to hear from people that have tried true > > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > > > > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > > microbes or stimulating healing. > > > > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > > from people that got better using one or the other). > > > > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > > clue). > > > > Bil > > > > PC 1000 > > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > > http://magpulser.com > > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of > answers through unrelenting search. > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & > more on new and used cars. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Hi Bil and , The novelity plasma ball mods that I have done, which utilizes a 28kHz flyback transformer see's the 28kHz signal as DC, but when the modification is performed, then the signal being transmitted from the plasma light is AC. http://www.heal-me.com.au/diy-frex-plasma.htm This page will show an oscilloscope image of this signal. Regards, Ken Uzzell Re: Re: DIGITAL OR ANALOG?? Hi , Flyback transformers (they are not coils) are designed for 15kHz (for American TVs). Applying frequencies in he high kHz range may not work at all. They also have a pulsating DC output. Automobile ignition coils and almost every other type of transformer ever made has an AC output. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Hi Ian, m> I think most of us want to believe that square wave is just as good m> as sine wave because of the multiple harmonics generated. This makes m> it easier to target pathogens of unknown MOR frequencies. With sine m> wave we would have to try specific MOR frequencies listed which m> would take too much time if your not sure. m> I found it interesting that you don't go above 15KHz when using your m> flyback type of coil. Quite a few MOR frequencies listed on the web m> go way above 15 KHz. m> Regards, m> m> It would be interesting m> to hear from people that have tried true >> analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital >> signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. >> >> It's likely that one is better than the other for killing >> microbes or stimulating healing. >> >> So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear >> from people that got better using one or the other). >> >> Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better >> would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which >> type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a >> clue). >> >> Bil >> >> PC 1000 >> M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >> http://magpulser.com >> Mammoth Lakes, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of m> answers through unrelenting search. >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & m> more on new and used cars. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Sine, square or Analog, analog or square, sine..........??? This all brings up for me that disturbing website of Bedini to be observed at: http://www.icehouse.net/john34/rife.html an excerpt: " Crane was a true mentor of Rife, and he understood everything Rife understood because Rife trained him. To quote Crane precisely, " Rife told me the secret to the machine, and I know how to build it. " So we know Crane understood that a simple square wave generator would not cure anything . I got Crane to admit this to me when one day I asked him, " Why are you selling these simple square wave generators? " Crane responded by saying, " It works on some people...that's good enough. " Strecker told Crane, " That's not a good thing to do with people that have cancer or another debilitating disease. " And then Crane would say, " I have given the list of frequencies. " So right there, Crane admitted that the machine he was selling may have worked for some, but not for others. Dr. Strecker, at this point, would just shake his head and walk away, but he was not about to give up his hope to make this technology work. " doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Bill, I like your idea about modulating the carrier derived from a flyback transformer. I am contemplating working on something simular to that. Right now I am testing a flyback transformer pulsing it as high as 30 KHz creating an arc across a sparkplug. I believe it will work much higher in frequency but don't recall what my limit was. With it set at around 20 KHz, looking at my spectrum analyzer which measures from 30 KHz to 1.8 GHz. I can pick up harmonics about 2 to 3 KHz apart which would be about 600 million harmonics between 30 KHz and 1.8 GHz. The average signal level I measure two inches away from the spark gap is about -20 dbm as measured from the spark gap. The pickup antenna is centered around 500 mhz and not at all a dependable measurment across the entire spectrum. I am curious if you had measured the radiated RF on your MWO, so I can get an idea of what level might be effective. It would be interesting > >> to hear from people that have tried true > >> > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > >> > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > >> > > >> > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > >> > microbes or stimulating healing. > >> > > >> > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > >> > from people that got better using one or the other). > >> > > >> > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > >> > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > >> > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > >> > clue). > >> > > >> > Bil > >> > > >> > PC 1000 > >> > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > >> > http://magpulser.com > >> > Mammoth Lakes, CA > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of > >> answers through unrelenting search. > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi , Actually, I don't necessarily recommend using a (TV) flyback at all. As I said recently a TV (or monitor) flyback has a DC (not AC) output. The famous EMEM plasma tube units use an ignition coil which of course has a AC output. It would seem smart to stay with what works, unless you have enough evidence that something else is as good or better. Some AC current will pass through insulators, such as the glass of a plasma tube DC current will be far less (the proper current flow is essential when using an EMEM in the contact mode) High voltage DC would be good for building a negative ion generator, but the output must be negative DC (and a flyback has a positive HV DC output). The flyback in those plasma balls (such as the Thunderball) use a flyback that probably has an AC output, but the voltage and current is much lower than a TV flyback (obvious due to the very small size and low current power supply). (My name is spelled with one L) Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... m> Hi Bill, m> I like your idea about modulating the carrier derived from a flyback m> transformer. I am contemplating working on something simular to m> that. Right now I am testing a flyback transformer pulsing it as m> high as 30 KHz creating an arc across a sparkplug. I believe it will m> work much higher in frequency but don't recall what my limit was. m> With it set at around 20 KHz, looking at my spectrum analyzer which m> measures from 30 KHz to 1.8 GHz. I can pick up harmonics about 2 to m> 3 KHz apart which would be about 600 million harmonics between 30 m> KHz and 1.8 GHz. The average signal level I measure two inches away m> from the spark gap is about -20 dbm as measured from the spark gap. m> The pickup antenna is centered around 500 mhz and not at all a m> dependable measurment across the entire spectrum. m> I am curious if you had measured the radiated RF on your MWO, so I m> can get an idea of what level might be effective. m> m> It would be interesting >> >> to hear from people that have tried true >> >> > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried m> digital >> >> > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. >> >> > >> >> > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing >> >> > microbes or stimulating healing. >> >> > >> >> > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to m> hear >> >> > from people that got better using one or the other). >> >> > >> >> > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work m> better >> >> > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know m> which >> >> > type you are using (the model or name of your device would m> be a >> >> > clue). >> >> > >> >> > Bil >> >> > >> >> > PC 1000 >> >> > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >> >> > http://magpulser.com >> >> > Mammoth Lakes, CA >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit m> of >> >> answers through unrelenting search. >> >> > m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 On the contrary, Bil+ The flyback transformer supplies the HV and high frequency post accelerator voltage (AC), for the CRT's horizontal scan component. /ChuckD.... http://roshi.com/ Re: Re: DIGITAL OR ANALOG?? > >Hi , > >Actually, I don't necessarily recommend using a (TV) flyback at >all. As I said recently a TV (or monitor) flyback has a DC (not >AC) output. > >The famous EMEM plasma tube units use an ignition coil which of >course has a AC output. > >It would seem smart to stay with what works, unless you have >enough evidence that something else is as good or better. > >Some AC current will pass through insulators, such as the glass >of a plasma tube > >DC current will be far less (the proper current flow is essential >when using an EMEM in the contact mode) > >High voltage DC would be good for building a negative ion >generator, but the output must be negative DC (and a flyback has >a positive HV DC output). > >The flyback in those plasma balls (such as the Thunderball) use a >flyback that probably has an AC output, but the voltage and >current is much lower than a TV flyback (obvious due to the very >small size and low current power supply). (My name is spelled >with one L) > >Bil > >PC 1000 >M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >http://magpulser.com >Mammoth Lakes, CA > > >mailto:magpulser@... > >m> Hi Bill, > >m> I like your idea about modulating the carrier derived from a flyback >m> transformer. I am contemplating working on something simular to >m> that. Right now I am testing a flyback transformer pulsing it as >m> high as 30 KHz creating an arc across a sparkplug. I believe it will >m> work much higher in frequency but don't recall what my limit was. >m> With it set at around 20 KHz, looking at my spectrum analyzer which >m> measures from 30 KHz to 1.8 GHz. I can pick up harmonics about 2 to >m> 3 KHz apart which would be about 600 million harmonics between 30 >m> KHz and 1.8 GHz. The average signal level I measure two inches away >m> from the spark gap is about -20 dbm as measured from the spark gap. >m> The pickup antenna is centered around 500 mhz and not at all a >m> dependable measurment across the entire spectrum. > >m> I am curious if you had measured the radiated RF on your MWO, so I >m> can get an idea of what level might be effective. > >m> > >m>          It would be interesting >>> >> to hear from people that have tried true >>> >> >  analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried >m> digital >>> >> >  signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. >>> >> > >>> >> >  It's likely that one is better than the other for killing >>> >> >  microbes or stimulating healing. >>> >> > >>> >> >  So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to >m> hear >>> >> >  from people that got better using one or the other). >>> >> > >>> >> >  Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work >m> better >>> >> >  would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know >m> which >>> >> >  type you are using (the model or name of your device would >m> be a >>> >> >  clue). >>> >> > >>> >> >  Bil >>> >> > >>> >> >  PC 1000 >>> >> >  M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >>> >> >  http://magpulser.com >>> >> >  Mammoth Lakes, CA >>> >> >  >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit >m> of >>> >> answers through unrelenting search. >>> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 You're both correct .. Most flyback transformers nowdays have a HV rectifier built inside them, and the HV output is essentially pulsed DC, and charges up the picture tube capacitor to anywhere from 18KV to over 30KV. With the internal diode, it's not appropriate for EMEM use. Without the internal diode such devices can be used (but are a pain in the tail to figure out what leads are what.. a lot of different windings come out of the flybacks with different signals, some are indeed AC high voltages, but not usually the thousands of volts we want for EMEMs) but have their own difficulties. Lousy for the low frequencies for example... Any of you guys familiar with capacitive discharge ignition systems? That's a good avenue to be looking, but again the high frequencies are a problem. Dave Felt ---------------------------- roshicorp@... wrote: > On the contrary, Bil+ > > The flyback transformer supplies the HV and high frequency > post accelerator voltage (AC), for the CRT's horizontal scan > component. > > /ChuckD.... > http://roshi.com/ > > Re: Re: DIGITAL OR ANALOG?? >> >>Hi , >> >>Actually, I don't necessarily recommend using a (TV) flyback at >>all. As I said recently a TV (or monitor) flyback has a DC (not >>AC) output. >> >>The famous EMEM plasma tube units use an ignition coil which of >>course has a AC output. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I have always had positive results from using analogue square and sine wave signals, but have no experience at all with digital. Miles. Bil Green wrote: >It amazes me that no individual wants to give their experience >using digital or analog frequencies for Rifing. > >It's so important to know if digital signals are working very >well for some people (especially after Ian reported that his >research group has had much better results using only analog >signals). > >If you have a very inexpensive frequency generator it likely >produces only digital waveforms. > >Bil > >PC 1000 >M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator >http://magpulser.com >Mammoth Lakes, CA > > >mailto:magpulser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 > > It amazes me that no individual wants to give their experience > using digital or analog frequencies for Rifing. The question is not that simple. As someone pointed out previously in this thread. A digitaly generated (sampled) wave form can be made to be indistinguishable from a completely analog (crystal referenced) generated wave form . The trick is to use a high enough sample rate (to minimize jitter) and a low pass analog filter to remove aliasing. Certainly generating sampled sine waves and passing them thru a properly designed anti-aliasiing filter will make them identical to crystal referenced analog sine waves. Same can be done for square waves using a PLL (phase locked loop) after the digital (DDS) circuit. That is the reason most frequency generator and oscilloscope manufacturers have adopted digital instrumentation and droped analog models. Look at the Techtronix line for example. > If you have a very inexpensive frequency generator it likely > produces only digital waveforms. Actualy, it is the opposite. It is very simple and cheap in parts count to generate a common analog wave form (square,sine). Ex: 555 timer with a potentiometer for square. On the other hand, producing sampled wave forms requires much more complex digital circuits. And producing them with high quality requires very fast sampling rates, fast processors and lots of memory for samples plus an anti-alias analog filter. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 I can't imagine that a stepped digital signal to make a sine wave is much different then a analog generated sine wave. When both signals enter the medium meaning your body, they both should have the same effect. The signal would reinforce the oscillations that the cells already have, like striking a bell. So far I have tried digital (square wave)and sine wave signals, but couldn't tell you what has worked better at this point in time. I have only 4 months experience with this, which doesn't compare to the years of experience that others have. I have a question for Bil. How have you and other people responded so far to your MWO? How much power do you think the secondary of your transformer is delivering. > > > > It amazes me that no individual wants to give their experience > > using digital or analog frequencies for Rifing. > > The question is not that simple. As someone pointed out previously in > this thread. A digitaly generated (sampled) wave form can be made to > be indistinguishable from a completely analog (crystal referenced) > generated wave form . The trick is to use a high enough sample rate > (to minimize jitter) and a low pass analog filter to remove aliasing. > Certainly generating sampled sine waves and passing them thru a > properly designed anti-aliasiing filter will make them identical to > crystal referenced analog sine waves. Same can be done for square > waves using a PLL (phase locked loop) after the digital (DDS) circuit. > That is the reason most frequency generator and oscilloscope > manufacturers have adopted digital instrumentation and droped analog > models. Look at the Techtronix line for example. > > > If you have a very inexpensive frequency generator it likely > > produces only digital waveforms. > > Actualy, it is the opposite. It is very simple and cheap in parts > count to generate a common analog wave form (square,sine). Ex: 555 > timer with a potentiometer for square. > > On the other hand, producing sampled wave forms requires much more > complex digital circuits. And producing them with high quality > requires very fast sampling rates, fast processors and lots of memory > for samples plus an anti-alias analog filter. > > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Dear , Fact is, there is considerable difference between stepped digital and analogue. We have experimented with all forms of digital of itself and in attempts to successfully duplicate the analogue signal and, after a lot of experments with the aid of some very clever and resourceful men we rested with analogue. On paper, at first glance, your theory is not a bad one and seems to hold up well. In practice, however, it does not. We have found that cells and molecular groups respond more readily, predictably, and repeatably to an analogue sine wave than any other signal source. I can only relate the Natural Resonance Theory as an explanation for this. Yours, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 When comparing digital sampled sine waves with analog ones, one needs to apply proper anti-alias filtering to remove any remnants of the sampling frequency or else the frequency spectrum of the sampled wave form will not be pure. There should be no " steps " left in the output of course. The fact is that with proper design and filtering, a digital sampled sine wave can be produced to have a frequency spectrum that is as pure as one wants and identical to a pure sine wave. Raising the sampling rate to values much higher than the Nyquist rate to say, 10,50 or even 1000 times the target frequency simplifies the design of the low pass anti-alias filter by reducing the digital noise in the spectrum. An extreme case as an example, generating a 1000 HZ wave form with a DDS circuit running at say 180MHZ sampling rate with a low pass filter at 10000 HZ, you will have absolutely no indication looking at the spectrum that it was generated digitaly. This can be done with DDS chips such as the AD9851 Maybe the analog wave forms you are using are not that pure or are drifting and it may help/influence the results. That also can be reproduced digitaly. It is a matter of narrowing down what exactly causes good results and then reproducing it. Digital generation gives you reproducible results, be it drift, resolution and precision of frequency or a specific non-pure wave form that are easier to control in an experiment. With analog, unless you are producing a pure sine wave, you cannot reproduce it twice to verify your results unless you record it and play it back and even then, analog recording will not give very reproducible results. DDS and DSP as come a long way in the past 20 years. We cannot make blanket statements such as " analog is better than digital " anymore without giving more details about the experiment such as equipement used, exact design of analog filters, sampling rate etc. The analog vs digital argument may have some merit in the audio digital world because we know the parameters: audio is normaly sampled at twice the max frequency = 48 KHZ. THat is a very low sampling rate and audio equipement is of very low quality compared to what can be done with custom circuits in a lab. There is a world of difference between a DDS chip such as the AD9851 running at 180MHZ or even higher and a typical high end sound card running at 96 KHZ. Robin > > Dear , > > Fact is, there is considerable difference between stepped digital and analogue. We have experimented with all forms of digital of itself and in attempts to successfully duplicate the analogue signal and, after a lot of experments with the aid of some very clever and resourceful men we rested with analogue. > > On paper, at first glance, your theory is not a bad one and seems to hold up well. In practice, however, it does not. > > We have found that cells and molecular groups respond more readily, predictably, and repeatably to an analogue sine wave than any other signal source. I can only relate the Natural Resonance Theory as an explanation for this. > > Yours, > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. > > > Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 While I like digitally-generated signals, Dr. MacLeod knows what he's talking about, and this subject was also discussed offline at one of the Rife Conferences long ago.. The discussion centered around how tiny could one get the steps of a digitally-generated frequency. If we were using, as example, the 10th octave of a given frequency (and it is actually far higher than that), a frequency generator having a 1 hertz step at 880 hertz output would be stepping 512 hertz at the 10th octave for every single hertz step. At the high octave multipliers we are probably using, the step error is way, way wider. A true analog generator would have no step function, and would be generating the frequencies in a continuous sweep from, as example 880 hertz and 885 hertz. No steps, just a gradual change in the actual frequency generated. Trying to hit the exact MOR? Analog probably is the way to go. A digital generator which can directly generate and filter the high frequencies needed might work wonders, but the digitally synthized generators most of us have available still produce their signals digitally, meaning that they have the step-function error built into them even though they have filtering and produce a " sine " wave. One possible help for this would be using the highest frequency the generator can produce while delivering a decent signal into the Bare-Rife or EMEM device. Dr. Bare's OM-1 (?) unit has a very high bandwidth and can handle signals over 300,000 hertz, so that's one possibility. Jimmie Holman's PPET can handle very high frequencies signals also (way over 100,000 hertz) and is probably the only " EMEM " type of unit to do so. (No, it's not really an EMEM anymore...) Dave Felt http://www.dfe.net martin7730 wrote: > I can't imagine that a stepped digital signal to make a sine wave is > much different then a analog generated sine wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Ian and Dave, thank you for the reply. This also makes me think again about how accurate the MOR frequencies need to be. I don't know but would hope that you could sweep around the MOR frquency hitting it right on. The only question is just how long it would have to be on the specific frequency. > > > I can't imagine that a stepped digital signal to make a sine wave is > > much different then a analog generated sine wave. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 > > While I like digitally-generated signals, Dr. MacLeod knows what he's > talking about, and this subject was also discussed offline at one of the > Rife Conferences long ago.. > > The discussion centered around how tiny could one get the steps of a > digitally-generated frequency. If we were using, as example, the 10th > octave of a given frequency (and it is actually far higher than that), a > frequency generator having a 1 hertz step at 880 hertz output would be > stepping 512 hertz at the 10th octave for every single hertz step. At > the high octave multipliers we are probably using, the step error is > way, way wider. 1 hz steps for a DDS generator is very coarse. One can easily acheive ..001 or as little as one needs with today's chips. For the chip I mentioned before, simply decreasing the samlping frequency gives a finer resolution and one can easily achieve .0001 or .00001 HZ or even less. You also need to take into account limitations of the driving xtal source. That will introduce analog drift into the digitaly generator signal. PR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hi , Time required is directly proportional to the amplitude of the frequency. In laboratory tests many MORs required less than 60 seconds at voltages of less than 3V to achieve total organic destruction of various bacteria and other simple organisms. The actual amplitude required varies with the frequency and is applicable in specific areas ... FSA (Frequency Specific Application). Warmest Regards, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. martin7730 wrote: Ian and Dave, thank you for the reply. This also makes me think again about how accurate the MOR frequencies need to be. I don't know but would hope that you could sweep around the MOR frquency hitting it right on. The only question is just how long it would have to be on the specific frequency. > > > I can't imagine that a stepped digital signal to make a sine wave is > > much different then a analog generated sine wave. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 This is something from my files... sorry ...dont know where it came from:- WHAT WAVEFORM WORKS BEST. Square wave, the clear winner. with the tube on for 90% of the time...All dead in less than 5minutes. Sine Waves, some die-off after 30minutes Triangle Waves, some strange behavior, mor-like but little else after 30 minutes. 50% duty cycle AC essentially the same as the 50% duty ref above: after 30 minutes barely achieves the die-off achieved @1minute using the 10% duty cycle. 50% duty at full DC offset (positive/negative create same waveform) kills colony in <5minutes. " ...Dr. Becker's studies with human fibrosarcoma cells in cultures speeded up cell growth by over 300 percent through the use of both positive and negative current... " page 150 " ...cancer cells are now known to proliferate rapidly with both positive and negative electricity... " Regarding pulsed electromagnetic fields: " The growth rate of tumor cells in cultures greatly increased in some studies. " ....Happy hunting ..Noel > > It would be interesting to hear from people that have tried true > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > microbes or stimulating healing. > > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > from people that got better using one or the other). > > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > clue). > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > mailto:magpulser@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hi Noel, Thank you for sharing this. It appears from your files that pulsed DC is the way to go, suggesting Hulda 's regime displays valid comments with regard to positive DC offset wave forms for contact pads. Regards, Ken Uzzell Re: DIGITAL OR ANALOG?? This is something from my files... sorry ...dont know where it came from:- WHAT WAVEFORM WORKS BEST. Square wave, the clear winner. with the tube on for 90% of the time...All dead in less than 5minutes. Sine Waves, some die-off after 30minutes Triangle Waves, some strange behavior, mor-like but little else after 30 minutes. 50% duty cycle AC essentially the same as the 50% duty ref above: after 30 minutes barely achieves the die-off achieved @1minute using the 10% duty cycle. 50% duty at full DC offset (positive/negative create same waveform) kills colony in <5minutes. " ...Dr. Becker's studies with human fibrosarcoma cells in cultures speeded up cell growth by over 300 percent through the use of both positive and negative current... " page 150 " ...cancer cells are now known to proliferate rapidly with both positive and negative electricity... " Regarding pulsed electromagnetic fields: " The growth rate of tumor cells in cultures greatly increased in some studies. " ...Happy hunting ..Noel > > It would be interesting to hear from people that have tried true > analog waves (sine or square) and those that have tried digital > signals when using Rife or Rife/Crane devices. > > It's likely that one is better than the other for killing > microbes or stimulating healing. > > So what works better, analog or digital? (would be nice to hear > from people that got better using one or the other). > > Whether positive offset (pulsating DC) or AC signals work better > would be good to know also. Many of you probably don't know which > type you are using (the model or name of your device would be a > clue). > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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