Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Hi Horacio, Thanks for the link to this article. We should be concerned if it's really true that the attorneys general in Minnesota and Wisconsin have banned Rife devices. This is a big step backward if more states follow this trend. ***************************************************************** http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-medicine5feb05,0,7142470,full.story?coll\ =la-home-headlines " Rife machines, which have existed on the fringes of alternative medicine for several decades, are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration. The agency not only prohibits marketing of the machines, it has denounced them as ineffective in curing cancer. The attorneys general in Minnesota and Wisconsin have also banned the devices; one called the machines " medical quackery, pure and simple. " " Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... HL> Hi all: HL> Take a look to this press case and it would be nice to make some HL> comments to the writers. It mentions Rife treatment. HL> 7:26 PM PST, February 4, 2006 HL> latimes.com : California HL> Life and Death on Fringes of Medicine HL> # a and Clive McLean turned to alternative therapy to beat his HL> cancer, but he died. Still, it's a practice gaining widespread acceptance. HL> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-medicine5feb05,0,5292328.story?page=1 & co\ ll=la-home-headlines HL> By Shari Roan, Times Staff Writer HL> Horacio HL> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 >> The attorneys general in Minnesota and Wisconsin have also banned > the devices; one called the machines " medical quackery, pure and > simple. " " Can attorneys ban anything? What would Rife do in todays climate? Would he be able to invent anything? Would Edison be in Jail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Edison was the one doing the suing in many cases .. The case in Minnesota was some form of contact device the practitioners called a " Rife " device, and according to the authorities, they were promoting " cures " , a no-no in today's world. Even MDs usually stay away from the " cure " word. Rife would not have gotten anywhere to today's world; he had next to no formal education (apparently any degrees he had were honorary) and only because he did automotive support and mechanical inventing services for a millionaire (Timkin) was he supported and able to tinker - inventing the microscope and Ray Machine. -Dave missourinaturegirl wrote: >>>The attorneys general in Minnesota and Wisconsin have also banned >> >>the devices; one called the machines " medical quackery, pure and >>simple. " " > > Can attorneys ban anything? What would Rife do in todays climate? > Would he be able to invent anything? Would Edison be in Jail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Dave wrote: <snip> > Rife would not have gotten anywhere to today's world; he had next to no > formal education (apparently any degrees he had were honorary) <snip> This is not true; Rife was studying medicine at s Hopkins, but gave it up to go into research. This is what he said on the Rife CDs. His specialty was surgery. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Sorry, , but my comments stands. Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in today's degree-happy world. Rife's honorary degree from Heidelburg may have been real, but in any event was honorary. He was turned down for an honorary degree from NorthWestern University (letter of rejection from Arthur Kendall), and apparently never accepted the offered honorary degree from USC (letter from Milbank ) leading to the difficulty that Dr. had with Rife. In today's world, in the Medical Community the door-opener is the MD. Even a Ph.D degree or multiple Ph.D's doesn't count in Medicine today. It's amazing how many MDs go on and get a Ph.D ... but the number of Ph.D's who then get an MD is almost non-existent. Dave Felt Ringas wrote: > Dave wrote: > <snip> > >>Rife would not have gotten anywhere to today's world; he had next to no >>formal education (apparently any degrees he had were honorary) > > <snip> > > > This is not true; Rife was studying medicine at s Hopkins, but gave > it up to go into research. This is what he said on the Rife CDs. His > specialty was surgery. > > Regards, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Dave wrote: > Sorry, , but my comments stands. > > Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no > advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in > today's degree-happy world. > Your comment was that " he had next to no formal education " . Not having a degree certainly does not mean that a person has no formal education, and I doubt he would have been able to work at the level he did without the formal education he had. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 DAVE: >>Rife would not have gotten anywhere to today's world; he had next to no >>formal education (apparently any degrees he had were honorary) JASON: > This is not true; Rife was studying medicine at s Hopkins, but gave > it up to go into research. This is what he said on the Rife CDs. His > specialty was surgery. DAVE: > Sorry, , but my comments stands. > > Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no > advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in > today's degree-happy world. > > Rife's honorary degree from Heidelburg may have been real, but in any > event was honorary. He was turned down for an honorary degree from > NorthWestern University (letter of rejection from Arthur Kendall), and > apparently never accepted the offered honorary degree from USC (letter > from Milbank ) leading to the difficulty that Dr. had > with Rife. Dave, I think the point here is what the word " honorary " means and implies. An honorary PhD or other academic credential is generally given to someone who did not study at the university that's giving the award -- but instead, did so much independent research that it's as if the person studied at an " accredited " institution. But just because a degree is honorary, it doesn't mean that the person isn't brilliant or lacks things of value to contribute. I must say that when I first read your posts, it sounded as though you were implying that Rife was not a real scientist or didn't contribute anything valid because he didn't get a " real " degree. And then defended Rife. I understand your point that today's market emphasizes academic degrees as both a measure of success and as a gold standard of whether or not something is valid. But this approach is incredibly stupid and narrow. It keeps the power elite in control because they are the ones making up the rules and the laws as to what's " real " and valuable -- while denigrating and punishing anyone who's outside of their box. People who use frequency devices tend to know, more than do their mainstream I'll-do-whatever-my-doctor-tells-me counterparts, what thinking outside the box means. I think there are more important things to discuss than whether or not Rife was approved by the establishment (and got " real " degrees). We already know he wasn't (approved by the establishment). But that's partly what made him so brilliant. He wasn't bound by any narrow little discipline or study format. And, as pointed out, he did get plenty of formal education. It just wasn't part of a college degree program that he finished. His apprenticeships probably brought him more learning than any sitting-in-a-classroom course could have. I appreciate knowing Rife's history. But I also value pragmatic information on how the machines work, what to do if I'm sick, and where to find a device that suits my needs. ly, I don't care what establishment scientists, doctors, or academics thought of Rife. To my way of thinking, focusing on this keeps us in the past and diverts energy and attention from what's really needed. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD http://www.nenahsylver.com New email address nenahsylver@... * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy * products and services for wellness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Dave, perhaps you should spend the time you write emails with to study Royal Rife¹s life and work. You seem to have mastered demeaning understatements. With his ³tinkering², he developed the world¹s most powerful microscope and he cured cancer at a 100% rate. I guess you consider a Ph.D. In bacteriology no formal education? lee > Edison was the one doing the suing in many cases .. > > The case in Minnesota was some form of contact device the practitioners > called a " Rife " device, and according to the authorities, they were > promoting " cures " , a no-no in today's world. Even MDs usually stay away > from the " cure " word. > > Rife would not have gotten anywhere to today's world; he had next to no > formal education (apparently any degrees he had were honorary) and only > because he did automotive support and mechanical inventing services for > a millionaire (Timkin) was he supported and able to tinker - inventing > the microscope and Ray Machine. > -Dave > > * > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 In my business (I am a certified computer and network tech) I have worked with people with full Master degrees who knew about the technology LESS than what my kids do. The idea that only a certain school title makes you appropriate for a certain job is so wrong it's sad. Most of the hackers and virus writers at work these days for example are youngsters with barely a high school education. I have gotten to believe that the current educational system is designed to limit one's view on life instead of forcing one to learn to look for or at as much of the pie as possible. So that instead of asking oneself all kinds of truly interesting questions, one winds up merely functioning within the status quo. I am quite sure that Rife is spinning in his grave... Luigi Re: Cancer case in LA > Dave wrote: >> Sorry, , but my comments stands. >> >> Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no >> advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in >> today's degree-happy world. >> > > > Your comment was that " he had next to no formal education " . Not having > a degree certainly does not mean that a person has no formal education, > and I doubt he would have been able to work at the level he did without > the formal education he had. > > Regards, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 What is more interesting is the number of pre vet's who flunk out and go on to become successful MD's. Makes me want to have my vet do more work on me. If you want to find out how little MD's know today, read 'The China Study " . You guys keep speaking about right and wrong and that has nothing to do with anything. " Show me the Money " . Many of our billionaires today have no advanced degrees. Many could not stand high school. If you get enough money, you can thumb your nose at the establishment. When you absolutely do not care what other people think, you are ready to think and work outside the box. It is too bad that Rife could not have hooked up with a billionaire or two and continued to work " outside the box " . Come to think of it, would Albert have been accepted in today's society?. I think he had a degree in math but I am not sure if it was very advanced and I don't think he could hold a job in the math area and may have been the reason he was dumped in the patent office. Harvey. Dave wrote: > Sorry, , but my comments stands. > > Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no > advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in > today's degree-happy world. > > Rife's honorary degree from Heidelburg may have been real, but in any > event was honorary. He was turned down for an honorary degree from > NorthWestern University (letter of rejection from Arthur Kendall), and > apparently never accepted the offered honorary degree from USC (letter > from Milbank ) leading to the difficulty that Dr. had > with Rife. > > In today's world, in the Medical Community the door-opener is the MD. > Even a Ph.D degree or multiple Ph.D's doesn't count in Medicine today. > It's amazing how many MDs go on and get a Ph.D ... but the number of > Ph.D's who then get an MD is almost non-existent. > > Dave Felt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I agree if all inventions and achievements of men who didn't have college or even HS diplomas were removed this world would be a very dark and cold place, I personally place no stock in college diplomas, as most of the people I meet with them haven't enough sense to come in out of the rain, this is not meant to insult anyone just an opinion. Terry Re: Re: Cancer case in LA In my business (I am a certified computer and network tech) I have worked with people with full Master degrees who knew about the technology LESS than what my kids do. The idea that only a certain school title makes you appropriate for a certain job is so wrong it's sad. Most of the hackers and virus writers at work these days for example are youngsters with barely a high school education. I have gotten to believe that the current educational system is designed to limit one's view on life instead of forcing one to learn to look for or at as much of the pie as possible. So that instead of asking oneself all kinds of truly interesting questions, one winds up merely functioning within the status quo. I am quite sure that Rife is spinning in his grave... Luigi Re: Cancer case in LA > Dave wrote: >> Sorry, , but my comments stands. >> >> Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no >> advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in >> today's degree-happy world. >> > > > Your comment was that " he had next to no formal education " . Not having > a degree certainly does not mean that a person has no formal education, > and I doubt he would have been able to work at the level he did without > the formal education he had. > > Regards, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Look at it this way: I have a full BS in Biochemistry with a Physics minor and 4.0 GPA, although my title is from a non " top of the list " university. I have studied computers and networking on my own and received enough certifications that I have worked for almost 15 years as a Tech for Rent (and my Bosses charged $256 per hour MINIMUM for my services) for places like Sloan Kettering, Pfizer, Cisco, IBM and in fact most of the top 500 Firms worldwide. ALL these places had people with titles from better institutions than what I came from, whom therefore should have been more than able to get the job done. Yet they paid for ME to go fix, build or rebuild. This is the reason why I prefer to take my doctors' advice with a grain of salt and instead listen very carefully to people like those on this message board, to Dr. 's advice and to the guys on the 's forum: my chances of survival are far greater at that level! Luigi Re: Cancer case in LA > > >> Dave wrote: >>> Sorry, , but my comments stands. >>> >>> Rife may or may not have had an undergraduate degree, but he had no >>> advanced degree of any kind, and would not have gotten anywhere in >>> today's degree-happy world. >>> >> >> >> Your comment was that " he had next to no formal education " . Not having >> a degree certainly does not mean that a person has no formal education, >> and I doubt he would have been able to work at the level he did without >> the formal education he had. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 In the old days, when America was a free country and a model for the world, only the Congress could enact laws thus banning things. Unfortunately, we are no longer free ... and yes, Virginia ... there is an Adolf Hitler ... today. Yours, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. missourinaturegirl wrote: >> The attorneys general in Minnesota and Wisconsin have also banned > the devices; one called the machines " medical quackery, pure and > simple. " " Can attorneys ban anything? What would Rife do in todays climate? Would he be able to invent anything? Would Edison be in Jail? Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Yes, The fact is that our country as well as western Europe has been so conditioned to degree-sickness that one cannot function in the world without one to some extent. I too know people with degrees who can't figure out 'up from down' in their fields. I do not say this as a layman, but as one with a few degrees of my own floating around. Fact: In some fields, qualified people use the doctorate to fund advanced research. In some fields, charlatans use the doctorate to make more money than they are worth. In yet others they enter the management training programme of a major discount retailer. Hmmm, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. Luigi Farina wrote: In my business (I am a certified computer and network tech) I have worked with people with full Master degrees who knew about the technology LESS than what my kids do. The idea that only a certain school title makes you appropriate for a certain job is so wrong it's sad. Most of the hackers and virus writers at work these days for example are youngsters with barely a high school education. I have gotten to believe that the current educational system is designed to limit one's view on life instead of forcing one to learn to look for or at as much of the pie as possible. So that instead of asking oneself all kinds of truly interesting questions, one winds up merely functioning within the status quo. I am quite sure that Rife is spinning in his grave... Luigi Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Hi all, Time for me to disagree with vigour: You are talking about folks who invented the electric light, telephone, etc., and this is all wonderful. However, when I was looking for a person to help us in the aspects of microbiology and organic chemistry as they relate to our study I would have been hard pressed to find someone who could do the job without the years of formal education and yes ... the degrees ... required. In today's advanced world, where even the Universal Microscope is not particularly complex, the need for formal training is absolutely essential. The odds of a backyard experimenter who works an entry-level job developing the techniques and formulae needed to factor conductivity of a plasmated noble gas are about 1:1000000. I am just guessing at the statistic, but all bets are I'm pretty close or being overly optimistic. This doesn't mean that there aren't idiots out there sporting degrees from reputable schools. Always, Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D. Luigi Farina wrote: Look at it this way: I have a full BS in Biochemistry with a Physics minor and 4.0 GPA, although my title is from a non " top of the list " university. I have studied computers and networking on my own and received enough certifications that I have worked for almost 15 years as a Tech for Rent (and my Bosses charged $256 per hour MINIMUM for my services) for places like Sloan Kettering, Pfizer, Cisco, IBM and in fact most of the top 500 Firms worldwide. ALL these places had people with titles from better institutions than what I came from, whom therefore should have been more than able to get the job done. Yet they paid for ME to go fix, build or rebuild. This is the reason why I prefer to take my doctors' advice with a grain of salt and instead listen very carefully to people like those on this message board, to Dr. 's advice and to the guys on the 's forum: my chances of survival are far greater at that level! Luigi Dr. Ian MacLeod, Ph.D., Liao Ning Research Group. In pursuit of answers through unrelenting search. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Understanding, insight, and enough education to apply the former two, is the creative force that drives innovation. Where one is educated - often has much to do with how far one rises in society. What one creates, keeps society reaching upwards. Jim Bare >ALL these places had people with titles from better institutions than what I >came from, whom therefore should have been more than able to get the job >done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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