Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Dennis, I've just begun to grasp the potential of cream--haven't gotten to a quart/day, yet. I'm dairy-free while I await the casein-sensitivity results, but I will still experiment to see how it goes. I am drinking almost a pint of coco cream most days. *Cream--it's the new milk* B. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:07:51 -0000, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote: > > > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the top > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 -- Hello , Acc. to the label on a heavy cream carton there is 0.0 protein and 0.0 carbs in one serving. There is enuf fat calories in a tbsp(one serving) to scare me. The little pint box has 50 servings at 32 cals/serving. I am probably consuming a pint of cream(not heavy which is 30% milkfat) daily for 3 or 4 days weekly.The cal content is pretty scary but it is filling as I don't crave snack junk for a long time after drinking the cream. Dennis Kemnitz In , Blazey <teresa.blazey@g...> wrote: > Dennis, > I've just begun to grasp the potential of cream--haven't gotten to a > quart/day, yet. > > I'm dairy-free while I await the casein-sensitivity results, but I > will still experiment to see how it goes. I am drinking almost a pint > of coco cream most days. > > *Cream--it's the new milk* > B. > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:07:51 -0000, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the top > > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 @@@ > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the top > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas @@@ Hi Dennis, Nice to hear from you... Cream has casein, aka " little milk proteins " . Mike SE Pennsylvania The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 --Cream has mostly oil so very little protein would be dissolved in it. Probably mostly in the water. How much " little milk protein " do you suppose is in the cream(let's say 30% milkfat product)?BTW this cream sure tastes a lot better than the raw chicken liver smoothies someone was promoting last year. Dennis Kemnitz - In , Anton <michaelantonparker@g...> wrote: > @@@ > > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the top > > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas > @@@ > > Hi Dennis, > Nice to hear from you... > Cream has casein, aka " little milk proteins " . > > Mike > SE Pennsylvania > > The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Dennis, Are you overweight or *overfat*? If you are *concerned* about your weight, the cream will pack on the pounds if you keep eating the snacks/sweets. However, as you've noticed, it also works to quiet those cravings. If you're not overweight, then who cares? For me, if I eat more fat, I need to cut out more carbs or I'll gain fat. In fact, If I keep my carb counts pretty low, I have trouble eating enough calories in a day, b/c the creams are so filling and I have to push myself to consume more. B. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:54:31 -0000, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...> wrote: > > > -- Hello , Acc. to the label on a heavy cream carton there is > 0.0 protein and 0.0 carbs in one serving. There is enuf fat > calories in a tbsp(one serving) to scare me. The little pint box has > 50 servings at 32 cals/serving. I am probably consuming a pint of > cream(not heavy which is 30% milkfat) daily for 3 or 4 days > weekly.The cal content is pretty scary but it is filling as I don't > crave snack junk for a long time after drinking the cream. Dennis > Kemnitz > > In , Blazey > > > <teresa.blazey@g...> wrote: > > Dennis, > > I've just begun to grasp the potential of cream--haven't gotten to > a > > quart/day, yet. > > > > I'm dairy-free while I await the casein-sensitivity results, but I > > will still experiment to see how it goes. I am drinking almost a > pint > > of coco cream most days. > > > > *Cream--it's the new milk* > > B. > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:07:51 -0000, dkemnitz2000 > <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > > > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > > > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the > top > > > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > > > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > > > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > > > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars > in > > > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in > Kansas > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 ---I'm 55 yo so I'm ok with a little love handle. Seeems like I'm ok with weight tho. I'm sure I need to cut out snacks(those made mostly of simple sugars esp). Concern is about cholesterol and other problems fats are supposed to cause. Dennis Kemnitz In , Blazey <teresa.blazey@g...> wrote: > Dennis, > > Are you overweight or *overfat*? > If you are *concerned* about your weight, the cream will pack on the > pounds if you keep eating the snacks/sweets. However, as you've > noticed, it also works to quiet those cravings. > If you're not overweight, then who cares? > > For me, if I eat more fat, I need to cut out more carbs or I'll gain > fat. In fact, If I keep my carb counts pretty low, I have trouble > eating enough calories in a day, b/c the creams are so filling and I > have to push myself to consume more. > B. > > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:54:31 -0000, dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > -- Hello , Acc. to the label on a heavy cream carton there is > > 0.0 protein and 0.0 carbs in one serving. There is enuf fat > > calories in a tbsp(one serving) to scare me. The little pint box has > > 50 servings at 32 cals/serving. I am probably consuming a pint of > > cream(not heavy which is 30% milkfat) daily for 3 or 4 days > > weekly.The cal content is pretty scary but it is filling as I don't > > crave snack junk for a long time after drinking the cream. Dennis > > Kemnitz > > > > In , Blazey > > > > > > <teresa.blazey@g...> wrote: > > > Dennis, > > > I've just begun to grasp the potential of cream--haven't gotten to > > a > > > quart/day, yet. > > > > > > I'm dairy-free while I await the casein-sensitivity results, but I > > > will still experiment to see how it goes. I am drinking almost a > > pint > > > of coco cream most days. > > > > > > *Cream--it's the new milk* > > > B. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:07:51 -0000, dkemnitz2000 > > <dkemnitz2000@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone on this board ever consumed a quart of cream daily for any > > > > length of time? If so, how long? I've found cream to be my new > > > > convenient hi energy dish. All I have to do is skim it from the > > top > > > > of the jar, flavor it and run. I've been flavoring it with either > > > > blackberries or orange juice concentrate. I find it helps curb > > > > desires for coca-cola, candy and baked goods too. It's pretty > > > > filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars > > in > > > > the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in > > Kansas > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 >It's pretty >> filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in >> the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas When I first started NT, I was eating LOTS of cream and enjoying every bite! Then I noticed I started getting migraines more frequently, which prompted me trying NO dairy, and all my migraines went away. Cream doesn't have MUCH casein, so I'm not sure what the problem is ... it may be cow hormones (aren't hormones stored in the fat?). Today I found a decent substitute though, esp. for ice cream. I blended 1 cup of almonds with 3 cups milk, then cooked that with some sugar, cinnamon, cardamom, vanilla, and 2 packets of gelatine til dissolved. Then when cool, put it in the ice cream maker. Chai ice cream! It gets very thick when cool, like cream. (Egg yolks would work for a thickener too, but gelatine is easier). Anyway, I'm going to try it without the sugar and spices to keep in the fridge for a cream substitute. But, cream is good, I do like the concept! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 ---Hello Heidi, About 3 and a half years ago I drank lots of whole milk and about 2 years ago started getting the fuzzy brain feeling for the first time. I decided it might be the opiate like feeling from milk and/or wheat proteins you referenced or just a serious lack of sleep. For the last year I been getting more sleep and for a couple months been drinking quite a bit of cream with very little milk. I haven't had the fuzzy brain feeling but can only guess why. I still eat bread, both commercial and homemade. Thanks for the ice cream recipe. I am going to an auction next week to buy a commercial ice cream maker so I can keep hi fat nutrient dense ice cream on tap. Won't that be fun ,. Suppose the calf will eat it too.She's 5 months old now and likes green pasture better than milk from a bucket. I don't know about hormones in the fat. Dennis Kemnitz In , Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> wrote: > > >It's pretty > >> filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > >> the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas > > When I first started NT, I was eating LOTS of cream and enjoying > every bite! Then I noticed I started getting migraines more frequently, > which prompted me trying NO dairy, and all my migraines went away. > Cream doesn't have MUCH casein, so I'm not sure what the > problem is ... it may be cow hormones (aren't hormones stored > in the fat?). > > Today I found a decent substitute though, esp. for ice cream. > I blended 1 cup of almonds with 3 cups milk, then cooked that > with some sugar, cinnamon, cardamom, vanilla, and 2 packets > of gelatine til dissolved. Then when cool, put it in the ice cream > maker. Chai ice cream! It gets very thick when cool, like cream. > (Egg yolks would work for a thickener too, but gelatine is easier). > > Anyway, I'm going to try it without the sugar and spices to keep > in the fridge for a cream substitute. > > But, cream is good, I do like the concept! > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Milk Heidi?? I thought you were casin intolerent? Would that work with coconut cream? Del Heidi Schuppenhauer wrote: > > >It's pretty > >> filling. There are no glutens and little milk proteins or sugars in > >> the cream to cause problems either. Cheers, Dennis Kemnitz in Kansas > > When I first started NT, I was eating LOTS of cream and enjoying > every bite! Then I noticed I started getting migraines more frequently, > which prompted me trying NO dairy, and all my migraines went away. > Cream doesn't have MUCH casein, so I'm not sure what the > problem is ... it may be cow hormones (aren't hormones stored > in the fat?). > > Today I found a decent substitute though, esp. for ice cream. > I blended 1 cup of almonds with 3 cups milk, then cooked that > with some sugar, cinnamon, cardamom, vanilla, and 2 packets > of gelatine til dissolved. Then when cool, put it in the ice cream > maker. Chai ice cream! It gets very thick when cool, like cream. > (Egg yolks would work for a thickener too, but gelatine is easier). > > Anyway, I'm going to try it without the sugar and spices to keep > in the fridge for a cream substitute. > > But, cream is good, I do like the concept! > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > >Milk Heidi?? I thought you were casin intolerent? Would that work >with coconut cream? > >Del I suspect it would. It's just that almonds are cheaper and easier to keep, for me, and have less " obvious " taste. But I LOVE coconut ice cream and to be sure it's next on the list. I've been avoiding ice cream because I've been working on getting skinnier, but shoot, my significant others eat it every night. So I'm working on ones that don't give me migraines. Also my dd and I both agree that she seems to get acne when she eats too many milk products, which is a bad sign! She likes the almond milk better, it sets better, but I have to make sure to keep it handy. Personally I love marzipan, and hope that I can learn to make it by Christmas. And yes, I'm casien intolerant. But I didn't know that 2-3 years ago. It was the cream that made me figure it out. Milk I just plain don't LIKE, never did. Butter and cream I like, but they do seem to be the culprits in migraines. I've had 5 migraines a month since I was 14 or so. I have had ZERO since February, when I (almost) stopped eating dairy. I have indulged once in awhile since then, with no migraines, but I've had other symptoms that make me wonder. I did get an IgA stool test via Dr. Fine and I AM casein intolerant, tho not very much. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 >I haven't had the fuzzy brain feeling but can only >guess why. I still eat bread, both commercial and homemade. Thanks >for the ice cream recipe. I am going to an auction next week to buy >a commercial ice cream maker so I can keep hi fat nutrient dense ice >cream on tap. Won't that be fun ,. Suppose the calf will eat it >too.She's 5 months old now and likes green pasture better than milk >from a bucket. I don't know about hormones in the >fat. Dennis Kemnitz Well, you may very well NOT be gluten or casein intolerant, which makes me jealous. Ice cream makers are neat in any event ... good gourmet ice cream is expensive and still not organic, and it's easy enough to make. It seems to me you can make ice cream from about anything. Now having a calf makes me jealous too. My next project is to fence in some area where we can have a herd of *something* (I'm leaning toward small furry bovines or goats). Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 So why did you use milk in that last ice cream recipe? Why didn't you just start off with trying coconut cream, milk or almonds? That confused me because I knew you were casin intolerent LOL. Glad to hear it's next on the list! I am a headache survivor too. Had them weekly since the age of 4 until the last maybe 10-15 years. I was an adult before I realized it wasn't normal. I never suspected dairy but I should have. Giving up MSG, peanuts and sodium nitrate to name a few helped me. Are you picky about where you get almonds? I know from reading here that you don't do the crispy nuts, you like them raw. I have to do crispy nuts but my tummy is okay now that I do gluten-free. Going on over a year now (thanks to you again). It sucks when my dh and I are out and all of a sudden he (and I) want ice cream. Most of the time we just pass it up but sometimes I will give in and we will stop. This summer I got the smallest dish of the evilest looking chocolate ice cream. It was so good I got another dish and then waited for lightling to strike me but you know what, nothing happened! So maybe I can have it sometimes? Del Heidi wrote: > > > > >Milk Heidi?? I thought you were casin intolerent? Would that work > >with coconut cream? > > > >Del > > I suspect it would. It's just that almonds are cheaper and easier to keep, for > me, and have less " obvious " taste. But I LOVE coconut ice cream and to be > sure it's next on the list. > > I've been avoiding ice cream because I've been working on getting skinnier, > but shoot, my significant others eat it every night. So I'm working on ones > that don't give me migraines. Also my dd and I both agree that she seems > to get acne when she eats too many milk products, which is a bad > sign! She likes the almond milk better, it sets better, but I have to make > sure to keep it handy. Personally I love marzipan, and hope that I can > learn to make it by Christmas. > > And yes, I'm casien intolerant. But I didn't know that 2-3 years ago. It > was the cream that made me figure it out. Milk I just plain don't LIKE, > never did. Butter and cream I like, but they do seem to be the culprits > in migraines. I've had 5 migraines a month since I was 14 or so. I have > had ZERO since February, when I (almost) stopped eating dairy. I have > indulged once in awhile since then, with no migraines, but I've had > other symptoms that make me wonder. I did get an IgA stool test > via Dr. Fine and I AM casein intolerant, tho not very much. > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 > Now having a calf makes me jealous too. My next project is to > fence in some area where we can have a herd of *something* > (I'm leaning toward small furry bovines or goats). > > > Heidi Jean sheep sheep sheep sheep sheep or maybe a mix of sheep and nubian goats... Mike SE Pennsylvania The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 >So why did you use milk in that last ice cream recipe? Why didn't >you just start off with trying coconut cream, milk or almonds? That >confused me because I knew you were casin intolerent LOL. Glad to >hear it's next on the list! Because I made THAT batch for my dh, who requested cream. Nuts don't set well with him. >I am a headache survivor too. Had them weekly since the age of 4 >until the last maybe 10-15 years. I was an adult before I realized >it wasn't normal. I never suspected dairy but I should have. Giving >up MSG, peanuts and sodium nitrate to name a few helped me. Interestingly, I only recently figured out the dairy connection. But I talked to my Mom about it today and she said, " oh yeah, you always got them the next morning after you ate ice cream! " . So how come she remembers and I don't? >Are you picky about where you get almonds? I know from reading here >that you don't do the crispy nuts, you like them raw. I have to do >crispy nuts but my tummy is okay now that I do gluten-free. Going on >over a year now (thanks to you again). You are welcome! I probably SHOULD be pickier about nuts, but I figure you have to choose your battles, so right now I'm using Costco nuts (we are slowly growing our own for much of our other produce: right now we are eating homegrown potatoes and berries and greens). I planted some nut trees, but almonds don't grow here, I think (Have to look into that! I think chestnuts will). >It sucks when my dh and I are out and all of a sudden he (and I) >want ice cream. Most of the time we just pass it up but sometimes I >will give in and we will stop. This summer I got the smallest dish >of the evilest looking chocolate ice cream. It was so good I got >another dish and then waited for lightling to strike me but you know >what, nothing happened! So maybe I can have it sometimes? I can (and do) eat dairy sometimes, nothing much happens though I don't feel as great the next day. If I can make my own though that is worry free and still yummy, I probably won't eat it out much! My hunch is that casein just isn't as weird as gluten ... there doesn't seem to be a disease that puts little kids in the emergency room from casein, even though they often react to it (and to eggs and soy) ... while thousands of kids would die if they continued to get gluten. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 >sheep sheep sheep sheep sheep > >or maybe a mix of sheep and nubian goats... > >Mike Why sheep? Mutton just doesn't appeal to me ... llamas could be neat though. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <<Why sheep? Mutton just doesn't appeal to me ... llamas could be neat though.>> Heidi, What about lamb?... cooked slowly in the oven or in a Tagine?... and sheep's milk makes the most delicious ice cream ever ! Dedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 >Heidi, > >What about lamb?... cooked slowly in the oven or in a Tagine?... and >sheep's milk makes the most delicious ice cream ever ! > >Dedy I used to LOVE lamb. Now it smells strange. I can give no reasonable explanation for this. My whole life has been one big food aversion/addiction drama! This is fairly typical for folks with Asperger's, FWIW. I'm pretty sure Asperger's is related to food allergies, which probably is at the root of the issue. Goats milk and cows milk (raw or otherwise) both make me intensely cold and seem to cause other reactions. I haven't tried sheep's milk, but I have no reason to be hopeful. More to the point, while I used to be CRAVING cream, now it smells bad to me. Anyway, this is purely a personal thing, I'm not trying to make a scientific case here. I do want to raise a good meat animal, for a number of reasons (clearing underbrush being a big one). Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Heidi, do you have Asperger's? It has been suggested to us that our grandson may have it. Del Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> wrote: > > >Heidi, > > > >What about lamb?... cooked slowly in the oven or in a Tagine?... and > >sheep's milk makes the most delicious ice cream ever ! > > > >Dedy > > I used to LOVE lamb. Now it smells strange. I can > give no reasonable explanation for this. My whole life > has been one big food aversion/addiction drama! This > is fairly typical for folks with Asperger's, FWIW. I'm pretty > sure Asperger's is related to food allergies, which probably > is at the root of the issue. > > Goats milk and cows milk (raw or otherwise) both make > me intensely cold and seem to cause other reactions. > I haven't tried sheep's milk, but I have no reason > to be hopeful. More to the point, while I used to > be CRAVING cream, now it smells bad to me. > > Anyway, this is purely a personal thing, I'm not trying > to make a scientific case here. I do want to raise > a good meat animal, for a number of reasons (clearing > underbrush being a big one). > > > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Del, I had that happen too. I finally tracked it down to the injections the cow who gave the milk was given. In other words, bovine growth hormone free (which ususally indicates the use of less or no antibiotics also) and I can enjoy all the ice cream I want without the headaches, stuffy sinuses, sore throats.... > >It sucks when my dh and I are out and all of a sudden he (and I) >want ice cream. Most of the time we just pass it up but sometimes I >will give in and we will stop. This summer I got the smallest dish >of the evilest looking chocolate ice cream. It was so good I got >another dish and then waited for lightling to strike me but you know >what, nothing happened! So maybe I can have it sometimes? > >Del > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 That plus a lot of other things. I am gluten intolerent and sometimes they put wheat flour in commercial ice cream. Some ice cream is made with gluten stabilizers. I also am sensitive to locust bean gum (sometimes that is in ice cream). Then there is carrageenan that I avoid. Is was not smart of me to eat that ice cream. It sure was good though! Maybe I will go find out exactly what is in that ice cream. Del " Lillig " wrote: > Del, > I had that happen too. I finally tracked it down to the injections the cow > who gave the milk was given. In other words, bovine growth hormone free > (which ususally indicates the use of less or no antibiotics also) and I can > enjoy all the ice cream I want without the headaches, stuffy sinuses, sore > throats.... > > > > >It sucks when my dh and I are out and all of a sudden he (and I) > >want ice cream. Most of the time we just pass it up but sometimes I > >will give in and we will stop. This summer I got the smallest dish > >of the evilest looking chocolate ice cream. It was so good I got > >another dish and then waited for lightling to strike me but you know > >what, nothing happened! So maybe I can have it sometimes? > > > >Del > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Del, I never even considered that... wheat gives me problems sometimes. But ice cream is usually an " in house " treat for us, and so I stick to Breyer's. We used to live in IL and get really awesome ice cream from Oberweiss...they were a dairy " clearing house " for local farmers that pledged to not use the bovine growth hormone. Boy do I miss them. Maybe I'll have to find an ice cream maker myself! LOL L. >From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Cream consumption >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:55:56 -0000 > > >That plus a lot of other things. I am gluten intolerent and >sometimes they put wheat flour in commercial ice cream. Some ice >cream is made with gluten stabilizers. I also am sensitive to locust >bean gum (sometimes that is in ice cream). Then there is carrageenan >that I avoid. Is was not smart of me to eat that ice cream. It sure >was good though! Maybe I will go find out exactly what is in that >ice cream. > >Del > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 WFN has a good sounding coconut ice cream recipe on their website that I want to try. You don't " need " an ice cream maker. Forgot to mention, I would not eat ice cream that is made with milk that has bovine growth hormone either. Del " Lillig " <jturtlesmom@h...> wrote: > Del, > I never even considered that... wheat gives me problems sometimes. But ice > cream is usually an " in house " treat for us, and so I stick to Breyer's. We > used to live in IL and get really awesome ice cream from Oberweiss...they > were a dairy " clearing house " for local farmers that pledged to not use the > bovine growth hormone. Boy do I miss them. Maybe I'll have to find an ice > cream maker myself! LOL > L. > > >From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@d...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: Cream consumption > >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:55:56 -0000 > > > > > >That plus a lot of other things. I am gluten intolerent and > >sometimes they put wheat flour in commercial ice cream. Some ice > >cream is made with gluten stabilizers. I also am sensitive to locust > >bean gum (sometimes that is in ice cream). Then there is carrageenan > >that I avoid. Is was not smart of me to eat that ice cream. It sure > >was good though! Maybe I will go find out exactly what is in that > >ice cream. > > > >Del > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " My whole life > has been one big food aversion/addiction drama! This > is fairly typical for folks with Asperger's, FWIW. I'm pretty > sure Asperger's is related to food allergies, which probably > is at the root of the issue. > > Goats milk and cows milk (raw or otherwise) both make > me intensely cold and seem to cause other reactions. > I haven't tried sheep's milk, but I have no reason > to be hopeful. More to the point, while I used to > be CRAVING cream, now it smells bad to me. There's a physical basis for this, though....and I'm probably preaching to the choir here. It is very common for allergic foods to be addictive, especially casein and it's opioid-like impact on the neuroreceptors of the brain. The craving could be related to the buzz that many get from the food's interaction in the brain, especially if the casein molecules are leaking into the gut incompletely digested....common with those on the ASD spectrum. Now that you've got the addiction kicked, your body probably " knows " that it is bad for you and you don't have the craving creating static so you can " hear " what your body is trying to tell you. My kids went through something like this with corn. They used to go through a bottle of ketchup (the big Heinz bottle) between the two of them every two weeks. (Read: corn) Since switching to a brand of ketchup that uses regular cane sugar instead of corn, I buy a much smaller bottle of ketchup that will last two *months.* Actually, when I hear someone talking about strong food preferences, especially wrt to children and limited eating habits, my " allergen " radar goes up. --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 >Heidi, do you have Asperger's? It has been suggested to us that our >grandson may have it. > >Del I've never been formally diagnosed, but after reading " Pretending to be Normal " and other biographies, I'm pretty sure I am. My father was a classic case! However, I am much less so since starting to eat differently. My personality has changed a lot. Interestingly, I corresponded with another Aspie who took these tests before and after a diet change, to see what work he was suited for. The test results were totally different! Me eating gluten or casein is really a lot like taking drugs ... they actually affect me more than drinking too much alcohol, and for longer. But my brain is still wired as it has been from a lifetime of eating the stuff, for better or worse. Interestingly, my kids have some of the physical features associated with autism (as children of 2 programmers, this is not surprising) but do not have any autistic traits at all. Both have HUGE heads, but they are outgoing and empathetic. Both get casein, but very little wheat (and none now). My daughter had wheat for the first 5 years of her life, more or less, and has a narrow dental arch. My son has had zero wheat, and has a very wide dental arch (and wide nose) though both of his parents have narrow dental arches. The whole autistic thing is very interesting. Of the women I have met whose company I enjoy (which means they are probably a lot like me ...) all of them have the 2nd boy with autistic traits or ADD. Which is really scary! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 >There's a physical basis for this, though....and I'm probably preaching to >the choir here. It is very common for allergic foods to be addictive, >especially casein and it's opioid-like impact on the neuroreceptors of the >brain. The craving could be related to the buzz that many get from the >food's interaction in the brain, especially if the casein molecules are >leaking into the gut incompletely digested....common with those on the ASD >spectrum. Now that you've got the addiction kicked, your body probably > " knows " that it is bad for you and you don't have the craving creating >static so you can " hear " what your body is trying to tell you. Yeah, I definitely agree here! I do crave some things that don't seem to be addictive in that sense though ... like kimchi. If I don't eat it for a week, it still smells good to me. Which is heartening. I'd hate it if every food I was addicted to turned out to be an allergen! Interestingly, Aspies are prone to food aversions, which I always figured was my problem with bread and pancakes. I have this horrid aversion to " soggy " foods, which I got teased about a lot. I'd take one bite of a great smelling pancake, enjoy it, then gag on the next one and not be able to force it down. I figured it was just an Aspie trait, but got worried when more and more foods caused that reaction. Now I realize that ALL those foods were wheat based ... I can eat some breads now, IF they are GF. > Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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