Re: histamines, mast cell tumors and GI ulcers

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Suze,

I have been fighting too much histamine for years. I got giant hives in 1999 -

too much histamine. I've done some reading on histamine, and read that it also

causes too much stomach acid. I tried taking HCl for awhile, because

'everything' you read at natural sites online now says most people produce too

little stomach acid. But, when I take HCl, my stomach hurts, so I don't think I

have too little stomach acid, I think I have too much, which evidently is rare

these days. But, it sure makes me believe that too much stomach acid goes along

with too much histamine. That's about all I know about histamine, which isn't

much more than my own experience - thought I'd mention it to give you a little

more to ponder. :-)

Carol

Does anyone have a handle on this connection? AND there's some

connection to GI ulcers and histamine overproduction I *think*.

If anyone understands histamines would you mind sharing what you know?

TIA :-)

Suze Fisher

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>So my initial thought is that maybe she's been over producing histamines to

>deal with an allergy to mold or to food which is now manifesting as a mast

>cell tumor.

I don't know much about histamines, but the prior post about raw quail eggs

is interesting! Why would raw quail eggs prevent histamine reactions?

Heidi Jean

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I don't really know, but when I increased my consumption of

cholesterol, my allergies were alleviated somewhat. When I began

taking cod liver oil, they all but disappeared.

My first thought is that the cholesterol was available to build more

normal cell walls, preventing excessive amounts of allergens from

getting to places where they could cause a reaction...??? I really

don't know. It seems my epithelial surfaces (is that the correct

term for the inside of your throat and such?) are more durable and

less prone to irritation than when I was eating low fat/high carb.

Before, taking a deep breath in cold air was sure to bring on a

coughing spell. Now, I might get a tiny bit sniffly, but I don't

sound like I'm trying to cough myself to death!

When I think about it, though, the people I've known who had severe

allergies or asthma, were people who either had eating disorders or

were incredibly thin. I'm thinking of a classmate when I was in

elementary school. Her mom was one of the Girl Scout leaders, and

her dad sold used cars. They had the nicest house I remember ever

being in at that age--two story, wall-to-wall carpeting, central heat

and AC. This was back in the days when everyone else I knew had wood

floors, floor furnaces, fans or window unit ACs, and no upstairs.

This girl was so thin that I could circle her waist with my little

hands. I wish I could find out how they ate, whether they were low-

fat yuppies before yuppies existed. They gave such an impression of

success, but I wonder if they worked really hard to look like that.

We moved from that town before I reached 6th grade, so I lost track

of them. I always wondered if my friend ever reached adulthood.

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> >So my initial thought is that maybe she's been over producing

histamines to

> >deal with an allergy to mold or to food which is now manifesting

as a mast

> >cell tumor.

>

> I don't know much about histamines, but the prior post about raw

quail eggs

> is interesting! Why would raw quail eggs prevent histamine

reactions?

>

>

> Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>>>I think she might be reacting to mold in my house or that it could be a food

allergy. I've ordered a mold kit to verify or eliminate that cause.<<<

What does she eat?

Cheers,

Tas'.

[Guest guest]

> Re: histamines, mast cell tumors and GI ulcers

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>>So my initial thought is that maybe she's been over producing

>histamines to

>>deal with an allergy to mold or to food which is now manifesting as a mast

>>cell tumor.

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>I don't know much about histamines, but the prior post about raw quail eggs

>is interesting! Why would raw quail eggs prevent histamine reactions?

>

>

>Heidi Jean

>

Thanks Heidi :-) I didn't catch that - do you recall the thread name and

who's post it was? I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the volume

these days!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

> Re: histamines, mast cell tumors and GI ulcers

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>>>>I think she might be reacting to mold in my house or that it

>could be a food

>allergy. I've ordered a mold kit to verify or eliminate that cause.<<<

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>What does she eat?

Mostly beef. But I recently got ostrich, turkey, quail and lamb. All raw

meat/bones/organs. Some berries - mostly blueberries. Several supplements

and sometimes egg yolks, veggies, bone broth, or kefir. I generally ferment

her food in EM and/or whey.

I put her on an elimination diet several weeks ago using ostrich and lamb,

IIRC, but later realized it was invalid since her digestive enzymes were

derived from beef and pork. I'm going to try her on a quail diet using

Omegazymes from GOL. OR, I might get her allergy tested.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

>I put her on an elimination diet several weeks ago using ostrich and lamb,

>IIRC, but later realized it was invalid since her digestive enzymes were

>derived from beef and pork. I'm going to try her on a quail diet using

>Omegazymes from GOL. OR, I might get her allergy tested.

>Suze Fisher

What do you think of plant-derived enzymes? I can't prove it, but I

was told that the plant enzymes are most effective at normal body

temperatures while animal enzymes are most effective at fever

temperatures. I have taken the plant protease Bromelain for

quite awhile with no problems.

Darrell

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> Re: RE: histamines, mast cell tumors and GI ulcers

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>What do you think of plant-derived enzymes? I can't prove it, but I

>was told that the plant enzymes are most effective at normal body

>temperatures while animal enzymes are most effective at fever

>temperatures. I have taken the plant protease Bromelain for

>quite awhile with no problems.

Hi Darrell,

Omegazymes IS a plant enzyme formula. I've been under the impression that

carnivores or meat eaters in general benefit most from animal-derive enzymes

as well as HCl and ox bile. That's what I've been using with my dogs for

years. I could be wrong though. Both dogs are 14. One is in great health and

is a fabulous digester so probably doesn't need HCl. The other has always

had bad digestion in the 4 years I've had her and I thought she could use

the HCl at her age. But maybe she's over producing it as Carol mentioned due

to excess histamine release. That's another reason I wanted to try

omegazyme.

I don't know why animal enzymes would be most effective at " fever

temperatures " since animals (including humans!) digestive enzymes are used

by their bodies all the time at regular body temperatures. I mean, all of us

mammals don't digest food only when we have a fever.

I wish my dog could tell me how she *feels* when using the different DEs,

that might help me to determine which is best for her. :-/

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

>Thanks Heidi :-) I didn't catch that - do you recall the thread name and

>who's post it was? I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the volume

>these days!

>

>Suze Fisher

From Bruce:

/message/58104

An unexpected ally: quail eggs

" In 1967, following the observations of quail breeder R. Cordonnier, who had

noticed the gradual disappearance of his wife’s long-time asthma and permanent

dyspnea (she was allergic to feathers, dust and dog fur), then those of his

employees, French physician Dr. J.C. Truffier undertook clinical observations of

allergic patients ingesting raw quail eggs on a regular basis. He observed

between 800 and 1,000 patients and noticed a marked improvement of their

allergic symptoms. According to these observations, some patients experienced a

very real specific antigen desensitization, as long as the antigen was present

when the treatment was undertaken. He also noticed an actual drop in IgE

production, as the basophiles were no longer degranulating when in contact with

the antigen. All attempts to identify a principle that could have a stimulating

effect on T suppressor cells or an inhibiting effect on antibody-producing B

cells were in vain, since it is now believed the results could be caused by a

synergic effect of several proteins or enzymes found in quail eggs. "

.....

For the last decade, the Médibrevex labs, headed by immunologist and

allergologist Dr. Bruttman, have perfected a galenical form of quail eggs

that eliminates the disadvantages of raw eggs, such as weight gain, digestive

problems and a rise in blood cholesterol levels: a lactose based quail egg

homogenate that is dried from 12 to 18 hours at low temperatures to avoid

protein degradation before being shaped like small tablets that dissolve quickly

under the tongue.

In this form, the product has been the focus of an official double-blind

clinical study involving people suffering from asthma, pollinic rhinitis and

perennial rhinitis (acarians, animal fur, etc.) The results were nothing short

of extraordinary: a success rate of 65 to 75% for the egg preparation, versus 10

to 20% for the placebo. After several years of commercial use in France, Italy

and Japan, this product is now available in Canada under the trade name

Allercalm.

<http://www.lenaturel.ca/ihealth/ih-dh04.html>http://www.lenaturel.ca/ihealth/ih\

-dh04.html

(there is a lot more there ... you should read the article).

Also interesting is that if you Google on [ " quail eggs " histamine ] you get

all these strange studies about eggs and histamine.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/4/04 1:38:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Also interesting is that if you Google on [ " quail eggs " histamine ] you get

> all these strange studies about eggs and histamine.

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Do any studies compare quail eggs to chicken eggs? Couldn't it just be the

omega-3 fatty acids and their well-known anti-inflammatory effects?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>Do any studies compare quail eggs to chicken eggs? Couldn't it just be the

>omega-3 fatty acids and their well-known anti-inflammatory effects?

>

>Chris

I wondered about that myself .. given that the guy was a quail farmer,

that might have just been his only exposure to raw eggs. But if in fact he

was able to isolate the factor that worked (and if in fact the pills work)

then it would seem it's not a simple omega-3 issue.

Heidi Jean