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Hi Jayn, thanks, actually amyloidosis.com leads to a site where I did a

search that lead me to www.mayo.com

which was also informative.

Ilsa

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> wrong address, try amyloidosis.org, then into related sites

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> Jayn

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Shirley

Please don't apologize for 'rambling'. The way I see it, you have been

carrying a lot of burden lately and really need to get it out. Sorry, I

have no helpful hints with Medi-Cal. I guess I would call their office

and give some 'what ifs' to find out future standings. Or then again,

have your dad or brothers call. That way, hopefully, there will be no

real surprises in the future. I don't see it as you bailing out, just

that you have realized that your health is very important. You have

done your job, and beyond, by having your mom live with you and for

doing all the leg work involved with getting her in the NH. You have

done so much for her and still keeping your family going, running your

day care, and now with Jeff's upcoming wedding. Have you talked to

Kat's (wasn't her name Kathy ?) parents? I would want to find out what

they really feel, not that you could stop the marriage if Jeff and she

are both legal consenting adults. They just seem like kids. I am

feeling very fortunate at the moment that my oldest (he is 19) has told

me he has no plans of marrying for quite some time. Not sure what

'quite some time' entails, but I do know he just isn't ready.

His girlfriend (for now) is also 18, and just graduated from high

school. They haven't been dating long. Just can't imagine planning for

a wedding at this point in my life.

Shirley, my heart goes out to you. I do want you to try and not worry

what other people think, just know that you have done and continue to do

a wonderful job. You still care about your mom because if you didn't

you would completely wash your hands and be done with it all. So, step

back, take special care of yourself, and know you are being thought of a

lot today.

Sending love and hugs your way.

Sandie

from cool Iowa...

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Courage,

Thanks for your support. A special thanks for the extra hugs.

If you want me to crank call your neighbor for you say the word. Talk

later ok, Take care, Shirley

> Hi Shirely,

>

> I'm am feeling it for you and am sending you a huge hug.

>

> You are not terrible for saying that you have tried your best to

care for

> your mom and she has refused the help. There is nothing wrong with

your

> brothers stepping in and taking charge of the situation. If it

comes to a

> crisis then things will be taken care of regardless of what your

mother may

> feel she wants but what can one do in such a situation. Perhaps

you can

> give your brothers the phone numbers of Senior groups who can have

someone

> come in to help your dad out - you know, stay connected from the

side lines

> for your fathers sake. I'm sure one of our American group members

can help

> you with the legal stuff.

>

> As for your son....it must be something in the North American water

because

> a month ago my daughter (22years old) came home from a long weekend

and told

> me SHE got married! Can you say shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The

interesting

> thing is she still lives at home with me...go figure. I cried

many, many

> tears over this one and wanted to share my pain with the group but

I whine

> so much here enough as it is. I can't say that I have accepted

this yet and

> when she starts with the big Portuguese wedding planning I tell her

straight

> up that perhaps she should have thought of this before jumping the

gun and

> eloping. While I agree that this isn't exactly the brightest thing

your son

> may be doing and giving you 3 weeks notice isn't notice at all but

I hope

> you come to feel as I do that they have to make their own life -

good and

> bad. Let's keep our fingers crossed for these silly birds who just

learned

> how to fly last week. (hahahahaha...now, if they present me with a

> grandchild any time soon I will lose it though!). You'll have to

take that

> trip to Toronto afterall to bail my butt out of jail!

>

> Shirely, please vent away, you know we are here for you. Sending

you

> strength and a second hug.

> Courage

>

> (no subject)

>

>

> >My mom's been going home the last 4 weekends for 3-4 days at a

time. She

> >wants to stay home now. She says she isn't going back to the

nursing home.

> My dad

> >has been caring for her pretty good. I know he is tired, I haven't

been

> able

> >to go over to help much just to visit a couple of times and my mom

and I

> got

> >into an argument both times over her medication. She doesn't like

taking

> the

> >Trazadone at night. SHe thinks of it as a sleeping pill and says

she doen't

> want

> >to go to sleep she wants to stay up and watch tv. She will decide

once they

> >get home to stay an extra day which means she doesn't have enough

pills to

> last

> >and I have to end up going over with more.She yells at my dad and

says we

> are

> >ganging up on her. (She has always been this way wtih my dad so it

is

> nothing

> >new)Bottom line: She doesn't want to go back. If she does go back

she will

> be

> >so upset she will act like a crazy person and I am afraid under the

> >circumstances that more harm than good would come out of that. I

think they

> can do ok at

> >home if my dad had some help. They say they will try to get some

volenteers

> >from the church to help out by sitting with her occoaisionly while

dad

> shops,or

> >if he is sick or something.

> >My fears that Dad will get run down taking care of her and they we

will

> have

> >two parents who need help. If she leaves the nursing home will she

be able

> to

> >go back in the future. Will it hurt her chances of going back on

Medi-Cal

> >again. Will I be held legally responsible for her if something

happens

> since I am

> >the one who signed her in in the first place. Can they make her

stay?

> Mentally

> >she sounds very good Physically she can't do much besides feed

herself. It

> >took me so long to get her in there in the first place that I

wan't nothing

> to

> >do with arrangeing for her to leave now or arrangeing help for

her. I

> really

> >think " she " can be happier at home but it will be hard on dad. I

am also

> afraid

> >of when she will get sick and need extra care that they won't get

proper

> care.

> >I can just see her saying she can't go to the doctor because she

isn't

> >feeling well. (I know that doesn't make sence but that's the way

she

> thinks). I know

> >some of you must think I am terrible for not trying to do more and

wanting

> >out of this but you just don't know my mom. I am not going to kill

myslef

> trying

> >to get help for her then have it all taken away and be expected to

start

> all

> >over again. Once she is out of the nursing home she is on her own

or my dad

> >and brothers will have to do something. I can't help someone who

is going

> to

> >undo everything I do. She claims she and dad can take care of

everything

> and

> >don't need my help. She says that all the people at the nursing

home always

> ask

> >her why she is there anyway. I know I'm rambling not making a

whole lot of

> since

> >and leaving out a lot which is one of the reasons I haven't been

in contact

> >with the group much lately but any advice concerns or comments

would be

> >apprecialted. Also my son Jeff called the other day to tell me he

will be

> getting

> >married the 21 of this month. I am expected to just fly out there

on a 3

> week

> >notice. I guess I just have to pull money out of nowhere for

planefare.

> His

> >fiance is very nice but they are too young to get married and isn't

> finacncially

> >secure at all. I won't miss his wedding but it will be hectic. I

just wish

> he

> >could wait a bit. He is 20 she is 18 just graduating this week. He

is just

> so

> >caught up in love, probably a lot of lust too.

> >Sorry for the ramblings, Shirley

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Shirley,

Sometimes it seems that everything piles on at once. So sorry you

have all this stressful stuff happening.

I am not sure how MediCal figures into things but when my dad was

living with me Medicare picked up the tab for most of his home

health care which entailed a visit from an RN (I don't remember

whether it was once or twice a month), a CNA who came to bathe and

give any personal care once and then twice a week. Also, a social

worker came once and would have probably come more often if I had

used their services sooner and he had remained living with me

longer. I would check into what kind of senior services are

available in your area--they can be a huge help in answering

questions and providing services.

Best wishes,

Evergreen, CO

> My mom's been going home the last 4 weekends for 3-4 days at a

time. She

> wants to stay home now. She says she isn't going back to the

nursing home. My dad

> has been caring for her pretty good. I know he is tired, I haven't

been able

> to go over to help much just to visit a couple of times and my mom

and I got

> into an argument both times over her medication. She doesn't like

taking the

> Trazadone at night. SHe thinks of it as a sleeping pill and says

she doen't want

> to go to sleep she wants to stay up and watch tv. She will decide

once they

> get home to stay an extra day which means she doesn't have enough

pills to last

> and I have to end up going over with more.She yells at my dad and

says we are

> ganging up on her. (She has always been this way wtih my dad so it

is nothing

> new)Bottom line: She doesn't want to go back. If she does go back

she will be

> so upset she will act like a crazy person and I am afraid under

the

> circumstances that more harm than good would come out of that. I

think they can do ok at

> home if my dad had some help. They say they will try to get some

volenteers

> from the church to help out by sitting with her occoaisionly while

dad shops,or

> if he is sick or something.

> My fears that Dad will get run down taking care of her and they we

will have

> two parents who need help. If she leaves the nursing home will she

be able to

> go back in the future. Will it hurt her chances of going back on

Medi-Cal

> again. Will I be held legally responsible for her if something

happens since I am

> the one who signed her in in the first place. Can they make her

stay? Mentally

> she sounds very good Physically she can't do much besides feed

herself. It

> took me so long to get her in there in the first place that I

wan't nothing to

> do with arrangeing for her to leave now or arrangeing help for

her. I really

> think " she " can be happier at home but it will be hard on dad. I

am also afraid

> of when she will get sick and need extra care that they won't get

proper care.

> I can just see her saying she can't go to the doctor because she

isn't

> feeling well. (I know that doesn't make sence but that's the way

she thinks). I know

> some of you must think I am terrible for not trying to do more and

wanting

> out of this but you just don't know my mom. I am not going to kill

myslef trying

> to get help for her then have it all taken away and be expected to

start all

> over again. Once she is out of the nursing home she is on her own

or my dad

> and brothers will have to do something. I can't help someone who

is going to

> undo everything I do. She claims she and dad can take care of

everything and

> don't need my help. She says that all the people at the nursing

home always ask

> her why she is there anyway. I know I'm rambling not making a

whole lot of since

> and leaving out a lot which is one of the reasons I haven't been

in contact

> with the group much lately but any advice concerns or comments

would be

> apprecialted. Also my son Jeff called the other day to tell me he

will be getting

> married the 21 of this month. I am expected to just fly out there

on a 3 week

> notice. I guess I just have to pull money out of nowhere for

planefare. His

> fiance is very nice but they are too young to get married and

isn't finacncially

> secure at all. I won't miss his wedding but it will be hectic. I

just wish he

> could wait a bit. He is 20 she is 18 just graduating this week. He

is just so

> caught up in love, probably a lot of lust too.

> Sorry for the ramblings, Shirley

>

>

>

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Hi Shirely,

I'm am feeling it for you and am sending you a huge hug.

You are not terrible for saying that you have tried your best to care for

your mom and she has refused the help. There is nothing wrong with your

brothers stepping in and taking charge of the situation. If it comes to a

crisis then things will be taken care of regardless of what your mother may

feel she wants but what can one do in such a situation. Perhaps you can

give your brothers the phone numbers of Senior groups who can have someone

come in to help your dad out - you know, stay connected from the side lines

for your fathers sake. I'm sure one of our American group members can help

you with the legal stuff.

As for your son....it must be something in the North American water because

a month ago my daughter (22years old) came home from a long weekend and told

me SHE got married! Can you say shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The interesting

thing is she still lives at home with me...go figure. I cried many, many

tears over this one and wanted to share my pain with the group but I whine

so much here enough as it is. I can't say that I have accepted this yet and

when she starts with the big Portuguese wedding planning I tell her straight

up that perhaps she should have thought of this before jumping the gun and

eloping. While I agree that this isn't exactly the brightest thing your son

may be doing and giving you 3 weeks notice isn't notice at all but I hope

you come to feel as I do that they have to make their own life - good and

bad. Let's keep our fingers crossed for these silly birds who just learned

how to fly last week. (hahahahaha...now, if they present me with a

grandchild any time soon I will lose it though!). You'll have to take that

trip to Toronto afterall to bail my butt out of jail!

Shirely, please vent away, you know we are here for you. Sending you

strength and a second hug.

Courage

(no subject)

>My mom's been going home the last 4 weekends for 3-4 days at a time. She

>wants to stay home now. She says she isn't going back to the nursing home.

My dad

>has been caring for her pretty good. I know he is tired, I haven't been

able

>to go over to help much just to visit a couple of times and my mom and I

got

>into an argument both times over her medication. She doesn't like taking

the

>Trazadone at night. SHe thinks of it as a sleeping pill and says she doen't

want

>to go to sleep she wants to stay up and watch tv. She will decide once they

>get home to stay an extra day which means she doesn't have enough pills to

last

>and I have to end up going over with more.She yells at my dad and says we

are

>ganging up on her. (She has always been this way wtih my dad so it is

nothing

>new)Bottom line: She doesn't want to go back. If she does go back she will

be

>so upset she will act like a crazy person and I am afraid under the

>circumstances that more harm than good would come out of that. I think they

can do ok at

>home if my dad had some help. They say they will try to get some volenteers

>from the church to help out by sitting with her occoaisionly while dad

shops,or

>if he is sick or something.

>My fears that Dad will get run down taking care of her and they we will

have

>two parents who need help. If she leaves the nursing home will she be able

to

>go back in the future. Will it hurt her chances of going back on Medi-Cal

>again. Will I be held legally responsible for her if something happens

since I am

>the one who signed her in in the first place. Can they make her stay?

Mentally

>she sounds very good Physically she can't do much besides feed herself. It

>took me so long to get her in there in the first place that I wan't nothing

to

>do with arrangeing for her to leave now or arrangeing help for her. I

really

>think " she " can be happier at home but it will be hard on dad. I am also

afraid

>of when she will get sick and need extra care that they won't get proper

care.

>I can just see her saying she can't go to the doctor because she isn't

>feeling well. (I know that doesn't make sence but that's the way she

thinks). I know

>some of you must think I am terrible for not trying to do more and wanting

>out of this but you just don't know my mom. I am not going to kill myslef

trying

>to get help for her then have it all taken away and be expected to start

all

>over again. Once she is out of the nursing home she is on her own or my dad

>and brothers will have to do something. I can't help someone who is going

to

>undo everything I do. She claims she and dad can take care of everything

and

>don't need my help. She says that all the people at the nursing home always

ask

>her why she is there anyway. I know I'm rambling not making a whole lot of

since

>and leaving out a lot which is one of the reasons I haven't been in contact

>with the group much lately but any advice concerns or comments would be

>apprecialted. Also my son Jeff called the other day to tell me he will be

getting

>married the 21 of this month. I am expected to just fly out there on a 3

week

>notice. I guess I just have to pull money out of nowhere for planefare.

His

>fiance is very nice but they are too young to get married and isn't

finacncially

>secure at all. I won't miss his wedding but it will be hectic. I just wish

he

>could wait a bit. He is 20 she is 18 just graduating this week. He is just

so

>caught up in love, probably a lot of lust too.

>Sorry for the ramblings, Shirley

>

>

>

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Hi, Jayn,

Yes, when we thought my Dad had Alzheimers...in fact about a year

ago, the day he went for the driving test through the hospital and

lost his license, we had a long heart to heart talk as we were

driving home. We talked about some pretty touchy stuff and he was ok

with everything. Now he doesnt remember that we already KNOW, so he

changes the story to " the greyhound tripped me and I hurt my knee,

so they took my license temporarily " . *sigh*

>

> Don't you think each case may be different. I told my sister all

about the

> disease and she was ok with it. Short term memory, 2 min later she

had forgotten

> alll about it.

>

>

> Jayn

>

>

>

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Was it a permanent decline or a temporary one?

>

> For those of you who have posted about surgery and the decline in

your lo. My

> sister went thru 2 very bad surgeries in about 2 1/2 to 3 years and

we

> noticed the dementia was much worse after the first one and much

much worse after

> the second.

>

>

> Jayn

> in S Ga

>

>

>

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No headaches yet - that he's admitted to.

>

> Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

headaches. It

> seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like moving

her in with

> us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

>

>

>

> Jayn

> in S Ga

>

>

>

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My granda was bothered by headaches most of his life and they continued into

LBD.

.x

(no subject)

Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and headaches. It

seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like moving her in

with

us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

Jayn

in S Ga

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No headaches for my Mom either. But quite alot of pain in her upper

arms and also in her left knee. In general her left side seems to

bother her more than her right. Also her eyes tear up really bad

(especially the left) whenever she sits up with them open for any

period of time. Very sensative to temperature shifts too. Any one

else having similar symptoms?

>

> Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

headaches. It

> seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

moving her in with

> us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

>

>

>

> Jayn

> in S Ga

>

>

>

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No headaches for my Dad either. Eyes tear up all the time (havent

noticed if he isnt blinking regularily), his knee hurts, and I have

just recently noticed he *almost* drools when he talks.

-Coyote

> >

> > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

> headaches. It

> > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

> moving her in with

> > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> >

> >

> >

> > Jayn

> > in S Ga

> >

> >

> >

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My mother stares too. They call them trances. She doesn't hear a thing when

this happens. I have dropped things and she doesn't hear it.

She is starting to drool too.

>

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>No headaches for my Dad either. Eyes tear up all the time (havent

>noticed if he isnt blinking regularily), his knee hurts, and I have

>just recently noticed he *almost* drools when he talks.

>-Coyote

>

> > >

> > > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

> > headaches. It

> > > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

> > moving her in with

> > > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jayn

> > > in S Ga

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Just noticed that Samchigirl mentioned her mom was now very

sensitive to temperature changes...I think something weird goes on

with the " wiring " of their internal " thermostats " because my Dad

doesnt even notice if the house is 84 degrees, yet on a nice

comfortable day sitting outside he complains its freezing and puts

on a jacket....which would make the average person TOO warm.

-Coyote

> > > >

> > > > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

> > > headaches. It

> > > > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

> > > moving her in with

> > > > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > > > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jayn

> > > > in S Ga

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Samchigirl,

Aside from the teary eyes, my mother's pain is identical to your moms.

Courage

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>No headaches for my Mom either. But quite alot of pain in her upper

>arms and also in her left knee. In general her left side seems to

>bother her more than her right. Also her eyes tear up really bad

>(especially the left) whenever she sits up with them open for any

>period of time. Very sensative to temperature shifts too. Any one

>else having similar symptoms?

>

>

>>

>> Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

>headaches. It

>> seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

>moving her in with

>> us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

>> Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

>>

>>

>>

>> Jayn

>> in S Ga

>>

>>

>>

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Interesting observation, with both brothers of mine (who suffer from

schizophrenia and not LBD (apparently)) seem to have " thermostat

wiring " go hay wire. One brother also walks around with a thick jacket

on, on the hottest of days. Yet the other brother, the more psycotic he

gets the less he seems to notice the cold. He walks around bare feet

with a T-shirt on in winter.

Ilse

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> Date: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:50:45 PM Australia/Melbourne

> To: LBDcaregivers

> Subject: Re: (no subject)

> Reply-To: LBDcaregivers

>

> Just noticed that Samchigirl mentioned her mom was now very

> sensitive to temperature changes...I think something weird goes on

> with the " wiring " of their internal " thermostats " because my Dad

> doesnt even notice if the house is 84 degrees, yet on a nice

> comfortable day sitting outside he complains its freezing and puts

> on a jacket....which would make the average person TOO warm.

> -Coyote

>

>>>>>

>>>>> Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

>>>> headaches. It

>>>>> seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

>>>> moving her in with

>>>>> us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

>>>>> Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Jayn

>>>>> in S Ga

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

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Jayn,

My Mom had headaches but mostly in the last 6 months she was alive. She

never had headaches during her life and if she did, rarely enough to

even take aspirin.

I wonder if any meds caused headaches?

Donna

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I thought tear glands were just so your eyeballs dont shrivel up

like raisins over the years?

>

> SEPJ

> You are right about tears!!! I always thought God gave them to us

and why not

> use them, and right again about tension release, crying does

relieve stress.

> God knew what He was doing when He gave us tear glands!!! :))))

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> Jayn

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I like when I cry it cleans my eyes out. Men have dirty eyes, haha

most anyway! Shirley

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> > SEPJ

> > You are right about tears!!! I always thought God gave them to us

> and why not

> > use them, and right again about tension release, crying does

> relieve stress.

> > God knew what He was doing when He gave us tear glands!!! :))))

> >

> >

> > Jayn

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My mother is cold all of the time too. She wears long sleeves and then a

sweater over that and sits a lot of the time with a blanket over her. And if

Dad turns on the air, there is war.......LOL

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>Just noticed that Samchigirl mentioned her mom was now very

>sensitive to temperature changes...I think something weird goes on

>with the " wiring " of their internal " thermostats " because my Dad

>doesnt even notice if the house is 84 degrees, yet on a nice

>comfortable day sitting outside he complains its freezing and puts

>on a jacket....which would make the average person TOO warm.

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> > > > >

> > > > > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

> > > > headaches. It

> > > > > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

> > > > moving her in with

> > > > > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > > > > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jayn

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My Dad actually went to the effort of going downstairs and flipping

the breaker switch in order to keep the house at a balmy 84 degrees!

When my hubby discovered it, Dad blamed the AC guy, saying he

flipped it off due to the Ontario blackout. LOL.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD

and

> > > > > headaches. It

> > > > > > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life,

like

> > > > > moving her in with

> > > > > > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > > > > > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jayn

> > > > > > in S Ga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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I have the same problem. I do not care how high I set the temperature it is

never warm enough!

Simmel

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>Just noticed that Samchigirl mentioned her mom was now very

>sensitive to temperature changes...I think something weird goes on

>with the " wiring " of their internal " thermostats " because my Dad

>doesnt even notice if the house is 84 degrees, yet on a nice

>comfortable day sitting outside he complains its freezing and puts

>on a jacket....which would make the average person TOO warm.

>-Coyote

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Courage suggested I poll the group about our lo with LBD and

> > > > headaches. It

> > > > > seems when there is lots of changes in my sister's life, like

> > > > moving her in with

> > > > > us on Fri, she has severe headaches.

> > > > > Has anyone elses lo been bothered with headaches?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jayn

> > > > > in S Ga

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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