RE: HCl supplementation

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In a message dated 10/24/04 9:47:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

itchyink@... writes:

> i take the max dose, which is the 7 mg capsule. But i built up to

> that with the smaller (1mg) tablets.

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~~~~> Hmm.... that's confusing. I'm using a 648 mg capsule! Perhaps your

label is using the amount of total HCl, while mine is using the amount of total

Betaine HCl, and most of the mass comes from the Betaine?

I started with one in each meal, and in my last I used two. I'll try working

up one capsule at a time over this week to test it out.

I'm hoping it will help fix some long-term digestive problems I've never

gotten fixed. I've been on and off Primal Defense too, which seems to help me a

lot. (A week on it and my stools are much healthier.) I'm figuring since I

definitely have some gut issues that seem to involve dysbiosis to at least some

degree, it's likely I have deficient HCl, which is often part of the problem,

because it allows harmful microorganisms to pass through the stomach. So I

hear.

Chris

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heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them

make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion,

which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of

the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for

those

who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian

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i take the max dose, which is the 7 mg capsule. But i built up to

that with the smaller (1mg) tablets. You take one after each meal the first

day, then two the second day and so on until you feel a little burning. When

you feel that burning you revert back to the dosage from the day before.

After taking 7 mg for about six months i'm starting to notice it's too much

and i need to decrease. Thanks for the tip about supplementing for gastric

secretions. If you know other herbs/supplements i would be interested. I

think i have an herbal detox concoction that has slippery elm. Looks like i

should brew it.

Elaine

>

> By the way, Dr. Rind said, at his lecture on adrenal and thyroid

> dysfunction/correction at the WAPF conference, that usually when HCl is

> deficient, so are

> the gastric secretions that protect the stomach lining from HCl. So, it is

> important for most people when supplementing with HCl to also supplement with

> products that help boost the body's secretion of these substances. I don't

> have

> my notes on me, so don't recall all of the substances he suggested, but one

> was slippery elm.

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> HCl supplementation

>

>

>

>I just bought some Betaine HCl, and I was wondering what type of

>dosage (in

>mg, in case capsule content is different than mine) folks are

>taking per meal,

>who use it.

>

>By the way, Dr. Rind said, at his lecture on adrenal and thyroid

>dysfunction/correction at the WAPF conference, that usually when

>HCl is deficient, so are

>the gastric secretions that protect the stomach lining from HCl.

>So, it is

>important for most people when supplementing with HCl to also

>supplement with

>products that help boost the body's secretion of these substances.

> I don't have

>my notes on me, so don't recall all of the substances he

>suggested, but one

>was slippery elm.

>

>Chris

I don't know what I did with your notes, but I just found Dr. Rind's

handout. In addition to slippery elm he lists:

DGL

Primal Defense

saccromyces boulardii, (FLorastor)

HCL and digestive enzymes, especially pancreatin

Whenever I take Biogest (HCl and pancreatin) I usually take just one.

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i'm probably just recalling the amount incorrectly. Anyway, there is

a maximum dose that is close to 7 something, so maybe that's your 648.

That's the capsule (at least with the Biotics brand). HCl has done amazing

things for my digestion that no other supplements could. Let's just say

constipation is a thing of the past for me, wheeee. When i get a chance i

will look up the dosages of my tablets and capsules.

Elaine

>

> ~~~~> Hmm.... that's confusing. I'm using a 648 mg capsule! Perhaps your

> label is using the amount of total HCl, while mine is using the amount of

> total

> Betaine HCl, and most of the mass comes from the Betaine?

>

> I started with one in each meal, and in my last I used two. I'll try working

> up one capsule at a time over this week to test it out.

>

> I'm hoping it will help fix some long-term digestive problems I've never

> gotten fixed. I've been on and off Primal Defense too, which seems to help me

> a

> lot. (A week on it and my stools are much healthier.) I'm figuring since I

> definitely have some gut issues that seem to involve dysbiosis to at least

> some

> degree, it's likely I have deficient HCl, which is often part of the problem,

> because it allows harmful microorganisms to pass through the stomach. So I

> hear.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have been taking the Betaine HCL for a couple of months now.

I have been able to decrease the amount I take and am now down to 1

with smaller/less dense meals and sometimes 2 with heavier meals.

I've noticed too that if I add some pungent spices to a meal (such as

cayenne) I don't need as much of the Betaine, or none at all.

Has anyone else noticed this?

a

> I just bought some Betaine HCl, and I was wondering what type of

dosage (in

> mg, in case capsule content is different than mine) folks are taking

per meal,

> who use it.

>

> By the way, Dr. Rind said, at his lecture on adrenal and thyroid

> dysfunction/correction at the WAPF conference, that usually when HCl

is deficient, so are

> the gastric secretions that protect the stomach lining from HCl.

So, it is

> important for most people when supplementing with HCl to also

supplement with

> products that help boost the body's secretion of these substances.

I don't have

> my notes on me, so don't recall all of the substances he suggested,

but one

> was slippery elm.

>

> Chris

>

> ____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It

is a

> heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

birds, and

> animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

sight of them

> make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion,

> which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear

the sight of

> the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

> ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth,

and for those

> who do them wrong. "

>

> --Saint Isaac the Syrian

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--- shawnalendzion <recon@...> wrote:

> I have been taking the Betaine HCL for a couple of

> months now.

>

> I have been able to decrease the amount I take and

> am now down to 1

> with smaller/less dense meals and sometimes 2 with

> heavier meals.

>

I have just started taking it. I took with my evening

meal yesterday, and got a slight burning. Then today

I've had a discomfort in my stomach all day. Could

this be related to an overdose of the HCl?

I normally take 2 and don't feel a thing - I did have

a vinegar dressing on my salad that evening though -

could this have been an acid overdose?

Thanks

Jo

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Chris-

>I just bought some Betaine HCl, and I was wondering what type of dosage (in

>mg, in case capsule content is different than mine) folks are taking per

>meal,

>who use it.

I take 6-9 Pure Encapsulations capsules per meal depending on the size of

the meal. Each capsule contains 520mg of betaine HCl.

>By the way, Dr. Rind said, at his lecture on adrenal and thyroid

>dysfunction/correction at the WAPF conference,

Damn, I really wish I'd been able to attend.

>I don't have

>my notes on me, so don't recall all of the substances he suggested, but one

>was slippery elm.

If you can post your notes, or at least the high points, I'd appreciate it.

-

[Guest guest]

I just looked at my capsules and they contain 700 mg of betaine HCl. I take

one of those with heartier meals. With lighter meals I get the burning

sensation.

, you take a lot! I thought the stomach only produced 700 mg and you

shouldn't take more than that.

Elaine

>

> I take 6-9 Pure Encapsulations capsules per meal depending on the size of

> the meal. Each capsule contains 520mg of betaine HCl.

[Guest guest]

Elaine-

>, you take a lot! I thought the stomach only produced 700 mg and you

>shouldn't take more than that.

Well, the dosage of each pill includes the weight of the betaine, which is

much greater than that of the HCl fraction, so I'm actually getting much less.

-

[Guest guest]

It doesn't sound like my ND is aware of this. She said one 700 mg capsule is

equal to what the stomach makes.

Elaine

> Well, the dosage of each pill includes the weight of the betaine, which is

> much greater than that of the HCl fraction, so I'm actually getting much less.

[Guest guest]

Bee,

I've been re-reading your posts on HCL supplementation. I am at 10 pills

and still get no burning.

On this diet, will your body's own ability to secrete HCL eventually return

to normal? It looks like you say sea salt aids in that healing process.

Anything else that would be helpful?

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> I've been re-reading your posts on HCL supplementation. I am at 10 pills and

still get no burning.

>

> On this diet, will your body's own ability to secrete HCL eventually return

> to normal? It looks like you say sea salt aids in that healing process.

+++Hi

What digestive problems do you have, i.e. acid reflux, food in your stools that

is intact and not digested, constipation, ulcers ?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

No acid reflux. There is food in the stool, but I don't know what it is.

I'm assuming it's fat since I'm as thin as a rail and have no body fat. A

stool test also indicated this some years ago - as well as problems I have

with dry hair and dry eye.

I do sometimes get an upset stomach an hour or two after eating.even with

the HCL.

Chris

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>

> Bee,

> I've been re-reading your posts on HCL supplementation. I am at 10 pills

and still get no burning.

>

> On this diet, will your body's own ability to secrete HCL eventually

return

> to normal? It looks like you say sea salt aids in that healing process.

+++Hi

What digestive problems do you have, i.e. acid reflux, food in your stools

that is intact and not digested, constipation, ulcers ?

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> No acid reflux. There is food in the stool, but I don't know what it is. I'm

assuming it's fat since I'm as thin as a rail and have no body fat. A stool

test also indicated this some years ago - as well as problems I have with dry

hair and dry eye.

>

I do sometimes get an upset stomach an hour or two after eating.even with the

HCL.

+++Hi

It is not fat in your stool that you are seeing, instead it is mucus which looks

like fat and can be in globs, balls, stringy, etc. and may be white to clear in

color. So that is not undigested foods.

If you were not consuming the right kinds of fats like I recommend you could

have hat fats in your stools years ago since bad fats are more like plastic that

your body has to get rid of somehow.

Having an upset stomach now and again doesn't mean you must take HCl since it is

common to get an upset stomach as a detoxifying symptom, and also because your

body still is working on balancing out hormones it uses for digestion.

When you get an upset stomach take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda mixed in 4-5

ounces of chlorinated water and just sip it until your stomach settles down.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I've been very busy but also reading your replies every day.  

You did mean non-chlorinated water, right?

Patty

> Bee,

> No acid reflux. There is food in the stool, but I don't know what it is. I'm

assuming it's fat since I'm as thin as a rail and have no body fat. A stool

test also indicated this some years ago - as well as problems I have with dry

hair and dry eye.

I do sometimes get an upset stomach an hour or two after eating.even with the

HCL.

+++Hi

It is not fat in your stool that you are seeing, instead it is mucus which looks

like fat and can be in globs, balls, stringy, etc. and may be white to clear in

color. So that is not undigested foods.

If you were not consuming the right kinds of fats like I recommend you could

have hat fats in your stools years ago since bad fats are more like plastic that

your body has to get rid of somehow.

Having an upset stomach now and again doesn't mean you must take HCl since it is

common to get an upset stomach as a detoxifying symptom, and also because your

body still is working on balancing out hormones it uses for digestion.

When you get an upset stomach take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda mixed in 4-5

ounces of chlorinated water and just sip it until your stomach settles down.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> +++Hi

>

> When you get an upset stomach take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda mixed in 4-5

ounces of chlorinated water and just sip it until your stomach settles down.

>

> All the best, Bee

>

*** Hi Chris. Bee has a lot on her mind right now so I'm pretty sure she would

want you to use UNchlorinated water.

, moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I've been very busy but also reading your replies every day.  

>

> You did mean non-chlorinated water, right?

>

+++Hi Patty,

Yuppers, I did mean non-chlorinated water. Thanks!

Bee