RE: Help Please . baby with reflux

[Guest guest]

Hi Tarnya

Don;t immediately know the answer to the question, but another couple of

questions spring to mind:

- Does the mother get reflux too? Did she before she eliminated common

allergens from her diet?

- What does the mum eat herself? Maybe the baby is reacting to soemthing

she's eating, or not eating, that she doesnn;t realise is a problem for

herself.

deb

Help Please . baby with reflux

I have a friend this is her 6th baby and they have all had reflux :

refusing to drink, crying etc makes everything very miserable and

with 5 other children and a baby in pain it makes life tough . There

are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and when

breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

The theory is that the valve at the top of the stomach is not that

good so burning stomach acids goes where it shouldn't. The medical

route is to neutralise the acid which can't be good for digestion.

For an adult one suggestion on the Weston Price site is to give the

stomach something to work on , but how does this work for a baby.

Thank you

Tarnya

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

You wrote

> - Does the mother get reflux too? no she is in good health

Allergies are on her husbands side -

What does the mum eat herself? Maybe the baby is reacting to

soemthing

> she's eating

Well with one of her children she went to rice and chicken only for

2 weeks to see if this would improve things. It didn't really make

that much difference. So I do think it is a weakest with the baby's

system and of course GERD goes as the baby matures somewhere between

12 - 24 months. Thought there may be some other ideas out there . She

is doing all the usually things: baby is not hortizontal after feeds

for at least 1/2 hour etc.

Mum does eat well considering the restrictions , some organ meat,

bone broths etc

What have others tried ?

baby is fully breastfeed and is 12 weeks .

thanks

tarnya

[Guest guest]

it doesn't sound like the mother is gluten free...she should absolutely try

that immediately.

-katja

At 01:45 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

>I have a friend this is her 6th baby and they have all had reflux :

>refusing to drink, crying etc makes everything very miserable and

>with 5 other children and a baby in pain it makes life tough . There

>are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

>allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and when

>breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

>She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

>doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

>The theory is that the valve at the top of the stomach is not that

>good so burning stomach acids goes where it shouldn't. The medical

>route is to neutralise the acid which can't be good for digestion.

>For an adult one suggestion on the Weston Price site is to give the

>stomach something to work on , but how does this work for a baby.

>Thank you

>Tarnya

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[Guest guest]

Where to begin, where to begin? I've had 2 reflux babies, and I can sympathize

with the suffering Mom and her hurting baby. The pediatricians and

gastroenterologists tell you give this baby this drug, and that's that. I

don't know the age of this baby, but here's some things that helped us:

1. Small frequent feedings - keeping something little in their stomach at all

times helps. Largemeals/overfeeding is the enemy of a reflux baby. This can

make the vomitting and pain worse.

2. Don't allow baby to completely lay flat on his/her back. Sitting or

sleeping at an incline helps. We even inclined our bed when the baby

slept/nursed at night in our bed.

3. I totally agree with Katja on going grain free; my 2 babies that had reflux

are now very food sensitive. It doesn't matter that the mother is allergy free

to certain things; what matters is if the baby is sensitive. I'd suggest the

mother try a bland diet; avoid dairy, grains of any kind, citrus, soy and nuts.

This may make her diet boring, but better that than a screaming child. Then,

gradually add in 1 food category, waiting 5 or more days after daily eating a

lot of the new food category, to see if the baby reacts. Keep a food

eaten/reaction diary for Mom and baby during this time.

4. Sometimes the balance of carbs to protein makes a difference. Here's some

links to mercola with several articles re: natural treatment of GERD.

http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2003/apr/23/gerd_treatment.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/9/ear_infections_gerd.htm

5. Be patient and persistent with pursuing the cause. Don't give in to pressure

to stop breastfeeding, or to pump more solids into the baby to fix the problem.

This doesn't fix the root cause of the reflux; it just masks it. This baby is

suffering for a reason. Mother's milk is notoriously more gentle to digest than

anything else she might feed him/her. But her milk quality is dependent upon

her diet. Is she eating a lot of processed foods? Getting any high quality

fats in her diet? Getting the rest she needs? Drinking enough fluids ?

I hope some of this helps!

Rebekah

Re: Help Please . baby with reflux

it doesn't sound like the mother is gluten free...she should absolutely try

that immediately.

-katja

At 01:45 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

>I have a friend this is her 6th baby and they have all had reflux :

>refusing to drink, crying etc makes everything very miserable and

>with 5 other children and a baby in pain it makes life tough . There

>are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

>allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and when

>breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

>She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

>doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

>The theory is that the valve at the top of the stomach is not that

>good so burning stomach acids goes where it shouldn't. The medical

>route is to neutralise the acid which can't be good for digestion.

>For an adult one suggestion on the Weston Price site is to give the

>stomach something to work on , but how does this work for a baby.

>Thank you

>Tarnya

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>

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[Guest guest]

How about cod liver oil? Is the mum taking it? If she's not, then

she's probably deficient in vitamin D, and her milk will be, too. If

we're deficient in vitamin D, we will feel pain more.

Is the mom using industrially-processed vegetable oil, such as in

salad dressings or margarine? Lots of people find they avoid reflux

if they avoid such oils.

I believe I've read that when a mum takes cod liver oil, it helps

provide the baby with more omega 3 fatty acids. If all she gets is

lots of omega 6 fatty acids (such as from vegetable oils), then that

is what the baby will get from her milk. I believe having lots of

omega 6 fatty acids in your system contributes to the aspects of

metabolism that make pain more intense.

What part of the world does she live in?

--- In , " tarnyanz " <dburge@s...>

wrote:

>

> I have a friend this is her 6th baby and they have all had reflux :

> refusing to drink, crying etc makes everything very miserable and

> with 5 other children and a baby in pain it makes life tough .

There

> are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

> allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and when

> breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

> She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

> doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

> The theory is that the valve at the top of the stomach is not that

> good so burning stomach acids goes where it shouldn't. The medical

> route is to neutralise the acid which can't be good for digestion.

> For an adult one suggestion on the Weston Price site is to give the

> stomach something to work on , but how does this work for a baby.

> Thank you

> Tarnya

[Guest guest]

>There

>are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

>allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and when

>breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

>She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

>doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

Do " all known allergens " include wheat/barley/rye? Reflux

is one of those things that goes with gluten intolerance/celiac ...

celiacs get esophogeal cancer a lot as a result. Sometimes

gluten is the root cause, and the other allergies/intolerances

get better once the gluten is removed. But few doctors will

check for it. She could either get Dr. Fine's test or go GF

for a week or three.

Medications really don't work for reflux ... the book " Why

Stomach Acid is Good for You " covers that in depth. When

acid is low, the valve tends to open, so usually what is needed

is MORE acid. A lot of people end up taking HCL and enzymes

for some period ... I did, until things healed up and I don't need

them anymore.

Kimchi with meals really helped me too ... I don't know what

that would do for the baby (esp. if it is spicy kimchi!). I agree

with the others that the baby is likely reacting to the food

the mother is eating. She probably has leaky gut along with

everything else, so more stuff gets into the milk than would

otherwise.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

Since oils are starting to be recommended in this thread I'll just say

it would be good if the mother could begin eating a good virgin

coconut oil or at least add a goodly amount of coconut milk to her

diet. I remember seeing a breastfeeding initiative's website that

recommended the MCT's in coconut oil. Has the mother removed

shortening (Crisco) and margarine from her diet?

Can anyone here recommend kefiring the mothers breastmilk to make

it better for the baby? I'm serious, stop laughing.

Darrell

[Guest guest]

My baby was having reflux problems. She and I both visited an

allergist and had skin tests for food allergies. I cut out

everything we tested positive to. I also have been eating a lot of

the NT fermented foods and making sure we get lots of sunshine and

fresh air.

We haven't had any problem since I started this " program " .

--- In , " tarnyanz " <dburge@s...>

wrote:

>

> I have a friend this is her 6th baby and they have all had

reflux :

> refusing to drink, crying etc makes everything very miserable and

> with 5 other children and a baby in pain it makes life tough .

There

> are food allergies in the family. Mum is free of all known main

> allergens : dairy, peanuts and egg for the whole pregnancy and

when

> breast feeding. She also eats a diet low in salicylates and amines.

> She has been done the medication track before and really felt it

> doesn't that much good. Any suggestions on how to help ?

> The theory is that the valve at the top of the stomach is not that

> good so burning stomach acids goes where it shouldn't. The medical

> route is to neutralise the acid which can't be good for digestion.

> For an adult one suggestion on the Weston Price site is to give

the

> stomach something to work on , but how does this work for a baby.

> Thank you

> Tarnya

[Guest guest]

--- In , " "

How about cod liver oil? Is the mum taking it? If she's not, then

she's probably deficient in vitamin D, and her milk will be, too. If

we're deficient in vitamin D, we will feel pain more.

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Thanks , I will mention this. I imagine she is.

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Is the mom using industrially-processed vegetable oil, such as in

salad dressings or margarine? Lots of people find they avoid reflux

if they avoid such oils.

I believe I've read that when a mum takes cod liver oil, it helps

provide the baby with more omega 3 fatty acids. If all she gets is

lots of omega 6 fatty acids (such as from vegetable oils), then that

is what the baby will get from her milk. I believe having lots of

omega 6 fatty acids in your system contributes to the aspects of

metabolism that make pain more intense.

What part of the world does she live in?

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We live in New Zealand so we get lots of sunshine :-)

I was wondering about something to boost the protective mucus in baby

so the acid would not burn so much. Any ideas along this line ?

Thank you

Tarnya

also Mum to 6