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Hi:

I also take Soma, it makes me sleepy too so I only take it at night. I am

supposed to take it twice a day but then I would NEVER get anything done. On

my worst pain days, I do take it twice a day though. I also take

Amytriptiline, it also causes sleepiness but I have taken it so long that I

don't have the side effects anymore.

Love,

Sharyn

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Dear Penny:

I don't understand some doctors philosophy on pain management. From the MRI,

they can see that the ventral spinal cord is being compressed. Now,

honestly, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to get high on alcohol? I just

want to be able to manage this pain. I am not sure that the surgery will

work, I need 3 spinal discs replaced in the cervical area and 2 in the

lumbarl sacral area. They can operate as soon as I have $55,000 for the

surgery. ROFLMAOPIMP!!! What an idea, I have not worked since October 13th,

1999, SSD/SSI declined me the first time, I have an appeal pending.

Let me write the neurosurgeon a check from my non existent funds. Since I

have no health insurance.

Go figure, we can become " addicts " if we had the energy to persue that type

of life, or go to our local package store, it is a heck of a lot cheaper than

paying for Doctor visits and pharmacy bills!!

Sincerely,

Sharyn

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Hi Judy Yes the amitriptyline does make me sleepy that is why I only take it

at night to help me sleep and for depression. But is it the combo of the two

that makes me sleepy all day? I was taking the amitriptyline before I went on

Oxy and I was never sleepy in the day time like I am now. Thank you for

responding to my post so soon. Copper

Judy McKee wrote: The amitriptyline is most likely what

is keeping you sleepy..

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Hi Sharyn I have been taking soma for five years now and I don't have any side

afects from it like i did in the beginning. I was taking 350 mgs 4 x a day

before I got botox injections in Febuary of this year but my doctor cut it back

to 3 X a day after the botox. I had some bad afects from the Botox injections

and ended up in the hospital. When I was in the hospital they gave me Valium for

the muscle spasms and it worked so well that I felt no pain for the entire day.

When I asked my Doctor for it he refused telling me I would become a drug addict

if he gave me that. Boy was I hot after he said that to me. I have been on one

kind or anouther pain med for over five years and I haven't had any problems

with addiction yet so why would he think I would become a druggy because he put

me on something that worked to releive the pain gee's.......Copper

idocksmom@... wrote: Hi:

I also take Soma, it makes me sleepy too so I only take it at night. I am

supposed to take it twice a day but then I would NEVER get anything done. On

my worst pain days, I do take it twice a day though. I also take

Amytriptiline, it also causes sleepiness but I have taken it so long that I

don't have the side effects anymore.

Love,

Sharyn

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You are so right it don't make a bit of sence to me either but go figure and

they call them selves pain management Doctors right? I had the Botox injections

in my neck and upper back it is used for killing the nerves in the muscle tisue

and is suppost to stop the pain and spasums in the muscles. Some people have had

some really good results from this but I did not. I ended up in more pain for

about three months than I ever care to be in. And the Doctor did not beleave me

untill he had other patients experiance the same results. You see I was his

second patient to have this done. And he had about 12 of them to do after me. I

never got so much as an I am sorry he just told me that he is learning. From my

experiance with Botox I will not recommend it to you but like I said other

people swear by it but for different reasons than I have had it for. From the

research I have done on it only 50% of the people that have it get any benefit

from it and there are about 35% that nothing happens eather way. Then there are

the people like me. Go figure I would be in the 15 % that has the bad reaction.

I would talk to the doctor a lot about this before having it done if you are

thinking of doing this. I was injured at my job in 1996. I herniated a disk in

my neck the disk is touching the spinal cord and it caused a reversed curve in

the vertabrays in my neck. I have myofascial pain syndrom, tendon idas in my

left shoulder, and upper back problems the Doctors wont even address because

there blaming it on the myofascial pain. I was born with scoliosus in my low

back so that has been an ongoing thing sence the birth of my last child in 1980.

I hope this information has helped you in some way. I read the posts every day

and I get a lot of good info form this site. And if my experiances can help

others it makes it worth the telling.

Hoping you all a pain free moment and more...... Copper

idocksmom@... wrote: Dear Penny:

I don't understand some doctors philosophy on pain management. From the MRI,

they can see that the ventral spinal cord is being compressed. Now,

honestly, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to get high on alcohol? I just

want to be able to manage this pain. I am not sure that the surgery will

work, I need 3 spinal discs replaced in the cervical area and 2 in the

lumbarl sacral area. They can operate as soon as I have $55,000 for the

surgery. ROFLMAOPIMP!!! What an idea, I have not worked since October 13th,

1999, SSD/SSI declined me the first time, I have an appeal pending.

Let me write the neurosurgeon a check from my non existent funds. Since I

have no health insurance.

Go figure, we can become " addicts " if we had the energy to persue that type

of life, or go to our local package store, it is a heck of a lot cheaper than

paying for Doctor visits and pharmacy bills!!

Sincerely,

Sharyn

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For educational purposes I thought I'd pass on some Bits and pieces

of an article about Copper taken from Beyond Change, Author

Jacques, N.D.

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Conditions known to contribute to copper deficiency are: Prolonged

infection or inflammation, pregnancy, liver disease, use of

estrogenic drugs, celiac disease, surgical resection of the bowel,

nephritic syndrome and generalized malnutrition. As well as with

excessive or prolonged intake of iron or zinc supplements.

When Copper is depleted, iron is not properly transported from

storage to the bone marrow for production of red blood cells.

Chronic Copper deficiency could therefore, result in disordered iron

metabolism and an anemia that mimics that of iron deficiency. In

these cases, serum iron and ferritin should still be normal and

neutropenia would still be expected. In the case of WLS it might be

possible to see true COMBINED deficiency since both nutrients can be

malabsorbed. Copper Deficiency might become more suspect if anemia

did not correct as expected with iron therapy or in any way worsened

and in any case with anemia and neutropenia.

Copper deficiency leading to myelopathy was only first described in

2001. Since that time most cases have been associated with zinc

excess. Patients described by the Mayo Clinic, presented with mild

anemia that had been presumed to be due to iron deficiency. They

then manifested ataxia, decreased sensation in the hands and lower

legs, lower limb weakness and hyper-reflexia. MRI studies done in

other cases has revealed subacute combined degeneration very similar

to that seen in B12 deficiency. which would explain the similar

symptoms.

Other possible signs of deficiency include generalized weakness and

fatigue, decreased skin pigmentation, skin sores, increased

cholesterol, poor immune function, impaired glucose tolerance and

myocardial disease.

Copper, iron and zinc compete for absorption so should be taken

separately. Much like iron copper relies on stomach acid to free it

from its bound state in food and to help maintain the optimal ionic

state for absorption.

Good dietary sources for copper include organ meats, shellfish,

nuts, beans/legumes, dark chocolate, enriched grains, dried fruits,

mushrooms, tomatoes, potatoes, bananas, grapes and avocados.

It is expected they will be finding more cases of copper deficiency

among WLS patients in the future.

Hugs

Jo

My Notes: Dr. K test for copper...so do your labs! Also since you

need stomach acids to absorb copper and it is primarily absorbed in

the proximal (top portion) of the bowel, this is a bigger problem

for the RNYers...however it most certainly does not exclude us.

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wow.

Glad you posted that one!

So...how do you get a supplement for copper?

Just had my iron checked. Should have the results on monday. Pretty sure I

am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now.

Amazing how fast I go downhill.

Anne

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anne- what kind of symptoms are you having??

vicki

CanDakota1@... wrote:

wow.

Glad you posted that one!

So...how do you get a supplement for copper?

Just had my iron checked. Should have the results on monday. Pretty sure I

am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now.

Amazing how fast I go downhill.

Anne

in Santee

Come check out my profile on Plentyoffish.com_

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm_

(http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm)

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> am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now.

>

> Amazing how fast I go downhill.

>

> Anne

> in Santee

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Anne

Did you slack off your vitamin/iron regime when you were feeling

better and now you've crashed again? I'm glad to hear you have had

labs done.

You may also want to check out: www.beyondchange-obesity.com

Go to " medical matters " and read " The Role of Iron in the Body " .

I hope your feeling better real soon.

Hugs

Jo

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