Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Hi: I also take Soma, it makes me sleepy too so I only take it at night. I am supposed to take it twice a day but then I would NEVER get anything done. On my worst pain days, I do take it twice a day though. I also take Amytriptiline, it also causes sleepiness but I have taken it so long that I don't have the side effects anymore. Love, Sharyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Dear Penny: I don't understand some doctors philosophy on pain management. From the MRI, they can see that the ventral spinal cord is being compressed. Now, honestly, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to get high on alcohol? I just want to be able to manage this pain. I am not sure that the surgery will work, I need 3 spinal discs replaced in the cervical area and 2 in the lumbarl sacral area. They can operate as soon as I have $55,000 for the surgery. ROFLMAOPIMP!!! What an idea, I have not worked since October 13th, 1999, SSD/SSI declined me the first time, I have an appeal pending. Let me write the neurosurgeon a check from my non existent funds. Since I have no health insurance. Go figure, we can become " addicts " if we had the energy to persue that type of life, or go to our local package store, it is a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for Doctor visits and pharmacy bills!! Sincerely, Sharyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Dar Penny: Tell me about Botox, please. Love ya! Sharyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Hi Judy Yes the amitriptyline does make me sleepy that is why I only take it at night to help me sleep and for depression. But is it the combo of the two that makes me sleepy all day? I was taking the amitriptyline before I went on Oxy and I was never sleepy in the day time like I am now. Thank you for responding to my post so soon. Copper Judy McKee wrote: The amitriptyline is most likely what is keeping you sleepy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 Hi Sharyn I have been taking soma for five years now and I don't have any side afects from it like i did in the beginning. I was taking 350 mgs 4 x a day before I got botox injections in Febuary of this year but my doctor cut it back to 3 X a day after the botox. I had some bad afects from the Botox injections and ended up in the hospital. When I was in the hospital they gave me Valium for the muscle spasms and it worked so well that I felt no pain for the entire day. When I asked my Doctor for it he refused telling me I would become a drug addict if he gave me that. Boy was I hot after he said that to me. I have been on one kind or anouther pain med for over five years and I haven't had any problems with addiction yet so why would he think I would become a druggy because he put me on something that worked to releive the pain gee's.......Copper idocksmom@... wrote: Hi: I also take Soma, it makes me sleepy too so I only take it at night. I am supposed to take it twice a day but then I would NEVER get anything done. On my worst pain days, I do take it twice a day though. I also take Amytriptiline, it also causes sleepiness but I have taken it so long that I don't have the side effects anymore. Love, Sharyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2001 Report Share Posted October 20, 2001 You are so right it don't make a bit of sence to me either but go figure and they call them selves pain management Doctors right? I had the Botox injections in my neck and upper back it is used for killing the nerves in the muscle tisue and is suppost to stop the pain and spasums in the muscles. Some people have had some really good results from this but I did not. I ended up in more pain for about three months than I ever care to be in. And the Doctor did not beleave me untill he had other patients experiance the same results. You see I was his second patient to have this done. And he had about 12 of them to do after me. I never got so much as an I am sorry he just told me that he is learning. From my experiance with Botox I will not recommend it to you but like I said other people swear by it but for different reasons than I have had it for. From the research I have done on it only 50% of the people that have it get any benefit from it and there are about 35% that nothing happens eather way. Then there are the people like me. Go figure I would be in the 15 % that has the bad reaction. I would talk to the doctor a lot about this before having it done if you are thinking of doing this. I was injured at my job in 1996. I herniated a disk in my neck the disk is touching the spinal cord and it caused a reversed curve in the vertabrays in my neck. I have myofascial pain syndrom, tendon idas in my left shoulder, and upper back problems the Doctors wont even address because there blaming it on the myofascial pain. I was born with scoliosus in my low back so that has been an ongoing thing sence the birth of my last child in 1980. I hope this information has helped you in some way. I read the posts every day and I get a lot of good info form this site. And if my experiances can help others it makes it worth the telling. Hoping you all a pain free moment and more...... Copper idocksmom@... wrote: Dear Penny: I don't understand some doctors philosophy on pain management. From the MRI, they can see that the ventral spinal cord is being compressed. Now, honestly, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to get high on alcohol? I just want to be able to manage this pain. I am not sure that the surgery will work, I need 3 spinal discs replaced in the cervical area and 2 in the lumbarl sacral area. They can operate as soon as I have $55,000 for the surgery. ROFLMAOPIMP!!! What an idea, I have not worked since October 13th, 1999, SSD/SSI declined me the first time, I have an appeal pending. Let me write the neurosurgeon a check from my non existent funds. Since I have no health insurance. Go figure, we can become " addicts " if we had the energy to persue that type of life, or go to our local package store, it is a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for Doctor visits and pharmacy bills!! Sincerely, Sharyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 For educational purposes I thought I'd pass on some Bits and pieces of an article about Copper taken from Beyond Change, Author Jacques, N.D. ========================= Conditions known to contribute to copper deficiency are: Prolonged infection or inflammation, pregnancy, liver disease, use of estrogenic drugs, celiac disease, surgical resection of the bowel, nephritic syndrome and generalized malnutrition. As well as with excessive or prolonged intake of iron or zinc supplements. When Copper is depleted, iron is not properly transported from storage to the bone marrow for production of red blood cells. Chronic Copper deficiency could therefore, result in disordered iron metabolism and an anemia that mimics that of iron deficiency. In these cases, serum iron and ferritin should still be normal and neutropenia would still be expected. In the case of WLS it might be possible to see true COMBINED deficiency since both nutrients can be malabsorbed. Copper Deficiency might become more suspect if anemia did not correct as expected with iron therapy or in any way worsened and in any case with anemia and neutropenia. Copper deficiency leading to myelopathy was only first described in 2001. Since that time most cases have been associated with zinc excess. Patients described by the Mayo Clinic, presented with mild anemia that had been presumed to be due to iron deficiency. They then manifested ataxia, decreased sensation in the hands and lower legs, lower limb weakness and hyper-reflexia. MRI studies done in other cases has revealed subacute combined degeneration very similar to that seen in B12 deficiency. which would explain the similar symptoms. Other possible signs of deficiency include generalized weakness and fatigue, decreased skin pigmentation, skin sores, increased cholesterol, poor immune function, impaired glucose tolerance and myocardial disease. Copper, iron and zinc compete for absorption so should be taken separately. Much like iron copper relies on stomach acid to free it from its bound state in food and to help maintain the optimal ionic state for absorption. Good dietary sources for copper include organ meats, shellfish, nuts, beans/legumes, dark chocolate, enriched grains, dried fruits, mushrooms, tomatoes, potatoes, bananas, grapes and avocados. It is expected they will be finding more cases of copper deficiency among WLS patients in the future. Hugs Jo My Notes: Dr. K test for copper...so do your labs! Also since you need stomach acids to absorb copper and it is primarily absorbed in the proximal (top portion) of the bowel, this is a bigger problem for the RNYers...however it most certainly does not exclude us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 wow. Glad you posted that one! So...how do you get a supplement for copper? Just had my iron checked. Should have the results on monday. Pretty sure I am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now. Amazing how fast I go downhill. Anne in Santee Come check out my profile on Plentyoffish.com_ http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm_ (http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 anne- what kind of symptoms are you having?? vicki CanDakota1@... wrote: wow. Glad you posted that one! So...how do you get a supplement for copper? Just had my iron checked. Should have the results on monday. Pretty sure I am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now. Amazing how fast I go downhill. Anne in Santee Come check out my profile on Plentyoffish.com_ http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm_ (http://www.plentyoffish.com/member325492.htm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 > am badly anemic again, since the symptoms are VERY strong now. > > Amazing how fast I go downhill. > > Anne > in Santee ============================ Anne Did you slack off your vitamin/iron regime when you were feeling better and now you've crashed again? I'm glad to hear you have had labs done. You may also want to check out: www.beyondchange-obesity.com Go to " medical matters " and read " The Role of Iron in the Body " . I hope your feeling better real soon. Hugs Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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