TN Dept of Ag

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Belinda,

Thanks for this... I will let all my farmers know....one can

never be too careful.

D.

moderator

>

> Earlier this week we got a call from the little store down the road.

> The owner wanted to know if we had any goat's milk for sale. He had a

> man there with a sick friend who thought goat milk would help him.

>

> Today I heard about a woman who, from what I understood, has no goats

> currently in milk. She got a call (last week?) from a man who has a

> grandson (?) who is ill and in need of goat's milk. She was asked if

> she would sell any. She couldn't as she didn't have any, not long

> after TDA was there with reams of papers.

>

> Stories are way too much alike for me. Just want to warn those of you

> selling milk with the proper pet license, etc. Seems TDA is on the

> warpath.

>

> Belinda in TN

>

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What I want to know is who is really behind this? It just boggles the mind! I suspicion corporate agribusiness, simply fearful of their customers buying local, and yet it seems rather farfetched that they see this tiny segment of the population as a threat! And if not them, then who? Do they really think they are "saving" us? Just like they are "saving" us with a diet devoid of saturated fat and recommendations of high carbohydrate diets.

When I talk to people about how we need saturated fat, that it is not the culprit, that full-fat milk is actually good for you, they look at me like I am crazy. Then I point out that just because everyone believed that the world was flat, it wasn't, and just because Copernicus's work was rejected by the church, the Earth did not suddenly start to move around the Sun only when the church changed its mind. And saturated fat was good for us before the Seven Country Study, and it is still good for us even after the Seven Country Study. I find it rather amusing and sad that the only food that positively correlated with early death from chronic heart disease (CHD) - but buried as a one-liner in the 200 page summary of the Seven Country Study - was SUGAR! That fact was just simply buried, by a man who went into the study with a preconceived notion and just couldn't let go.

"The great tragedy of Science-the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." ( Huxley, 1825-1895)

ton, IN

>> Earlier this week we got a call from the little store down the road.> The owner wanted to know if we had any goat's milk for sale. He had a> man there with a sick friend who thought goat milk would help him.> > Today I heard about a woman who, from what I understood, has no goats> currently in milk. She got a call (last week?) from a man who has a> grandson (?) who is ill and in need of goat's milk. She was asked if> she would sell any. She couldn't as she didn't have any, not long> after TDA was there with reams of papers.> > Stories are way too much alike for me. Just want to warn those of you> selling milk with the proper pet license, etc. Seems TDA is on the> warpath.> > Belinda in TN>

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To the extent that big ag encourages such micro-enforcement, it seems like they have a reason to do so.  Organic milk production and organic milk customers are the high-growth and high-profit segment of their market.  Every producer who chooses to sell his/her milk outside the system reduces that next gallon of milk that the biggies would like to buy and sell at high profit.  Similarly, every organic-minded customer (a possible customer for them) who chooses to go outside the system reduces their growth engine.  I think they are concerned about the tiny marginal gallons of raw milk for these reasons.What I want to know is who is really behind this?  It just boggles the mind!  I suspicion corporate agribusiness, simply fearful of their customers buying local, and yet it seems rather farfetched that they see this tiny segment of the population as a threat!  And if not them, then who?  Do they really think they are "saving" us?  Just like they are "saving" us with a diet devoid of saturated fat and recommendations of high carbohydrate diets.   When I talk to people about how we need saturated fat, that it is not the culprit, that full-fat milk is actually good for you, they look at me like I am crazy.  Then I point out that just because everyone believed that the world was flat, it wasn't, and just because Copernicus's work was rejected by the church, the Earth did not suddenly start to move around the Sun only when the church changed its mind.  And saturated fat was good for us before the Seven Country Study, and it is still good for us even after the Seven Country Study.  I find it rather amusing and sad that the only food that positively correlated with early death from chronic heart disease (CHD) - but buried as a one-liner in the 200 page summary of the Seven Country Study - was SUGAR!  That fact was just simply buried, by a man who went into the study with a preconceived notion and just couldn't let go.    "The great tragedy of Science-the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact."   ( Huxley, 1825-1895)    ton, IN>> Earlier this week we got a call from the little store down the road.> The owner wanted to know if we had any goat's milk for sale. He had a> man there with a sick friend who thought goat milk would help him.> > Today I heard about a woman who, from what I understood, has no goats> currently in milk. She got a call (last week?) from a man who has a> grandson (?) who is ill and in need of goat's milk. She was asked if> she would sell any. She couldn't as she didn't have any, not long> after TDA was there with reams of papers.> > Stories are way too much alike for me. Just want to warn those of you> selling milk with the proper pet license, etc. Seems TDA is on the> warpath.> > Belinda in TN>----No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 4/11/2007 5:14 PM

[Guest guest]

Did you hear the expression: Nip it in the bud? That's what they are

doing.

Barbara

What I

want to know is who is really behind this? It just boggles the mind!

I suspicion corporate agribusiness, simply fearful of their customers

buying local, and yet it seems rather farfetched that they see this

tiny segment of the population as a threat! And if not them, then

who? Do they really think they are "saving" us? Just like they are

"saving" us with a diet devoid of saturated fat and recommendations of

high carbohydrate diets.

When

I talk to people about how we need

saturated fat, that it is not the culprit, that full-fat milk is

actually good for you, they look at me like I am crazy. Then I point

out that just because everyone believed that the world was flat, it

wasn't, and just because Copernicus's work was rejected by the church,

the Earth did not suddenly start to move around the Sun only when the

church changed its mind.

And saturated fat was good for us before the Seven Country Study, and

it is still good for us even after the Seven Country Study. I find it

rather amusing and sad that the only food that positively correlated

with early death from chronic heart disease (CHD) - but buried as a

one-liner in the 200 page summary of the Seven Country Study - was

SUGAR! That fact was just simply buried, by a man who went into the

study with a preconceived notion and just couldn't let go.

"The

great tragedy of Science-the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an

ugly fact."

(

Huxley, 1825-1895)

ton,

IN

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In RawDairy ,

"labelleacres"

wrote:

>

>

Earlier this week we got a call from the little store down the road.

>

The owner wanted to know if we had any goat's milk for sale. He had a

>

man there with a sick friend who thought goat milk would help him.

>

>

Today I heard about a woman who, from what I understood, has no goats

>

currently in milk. She got a call (last week?) from a man who has a

>

grandson (?) who is ill and in need of goat's milk. She was asked if

>

she would sell any. She couldn't as she didn't have any, not long

>

after TDA was there with reams of papers.

>

>

Stories are way too much alike for me. Just want to warn those of you

>

selling milk with the proper pet license, etc. Seems TDA is on the

>

warpath.

>

>

Belinda in TN

>

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As the sale of raw milk is illegal in TN the big guys can't compete.

This could make the problem even worse, for them.

Belinda

>

> To the extent that big ag encourages such micro-enforcement, it seems

> like they have a reason to do so. Organic milk production and

> organic milk customers are the high-growth and high-profit segment of

> their market. Every producer who chooses to sell his/her milk

> outside the system reduces that next gallon of milk that the biggies

> would like to buy and sell at high profit. Similarly, every organic-

> minded customer (a possible customer for them) who chooses to go

> outside the system reduces their growth engine. I think they are

> concerned about the tiny marginal gallons of raw milk for these reasons.

[Guest guest]

Has Bernard P. Fife arrived in town. Let's hope not. IT wouldn't

suprise me if it was big business doing the dirty work and alerting

authorities. I can't imagine the government doing the digging on such

a small percentage of the market, but i'm sure they would gladly take

the credit. I know the unions around here can cause havock for all

sorts of different companies, not that a union is responsible, but if

you get on their bad side they try and make your life very unenjoyable.

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid it's just big government...too many people expecting

government to make all our decisions and take care of us. If we don't

let " government " know that we want to be responsible for our own

health and wellness and wealth, we will be destined to bigger and

badder government. And when everyone is consuming only processed

foods, drinking only pasteurized, homogenized milk from GMO-fed cows,

no one will live long enough for social security to be an issue

(thank God I'm not a conspiracy theorist!).

Patty:)

>

> What I want to know is who is really behind this? It just boggles

the mind!

> I suspicion corporate agribusiness, simply fearful of their

customers buying

> local, and yet it seems rather farfetched that they see this tiny

segment of

> the population as a threat! And if not them, then who? Do they

really

> think they are " saving " us? Just like they are " saving " us with a

diet

> devoid of saturated fat and recommendations of high carbohydrate

diets.

>

> When I talk to people about how we need saturated fat, that it is

not the

> culprit, that full-fat milk is actually good for you, they look at

me like I

> am crazy. Then I point out that just because everyone believed

that the

> world was flat, it wasn't, and just because Copernicus's work was

rejected

> by the church, the Earth did not suddenly start to move around the

Sun only

> when the church changed its mind. And saturated fat was good for

us before

> the Seven Country Study, and it is still good for us even after the

Seven

> Country Study. I find it rather amusing and sad that the only food

that

> positively correlated with early death from chronic heart disease

(CHD) -

> but buried as a one-liner in the 200 page summary of the Seven

Country Study

> - was SUGAR! That fact was just simply buried, by a man who went

into the

> study with a preconceived notion and just couldn't let go.

>

> " The great tragedy of Science-the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis

by an

> ugly fact. "

> ( Huxley, 1825-1895)

>

>

> ton, IN

>

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For a while now, I've been listed on realmilk and kind of served as intermediary for folks looking for milk. I'd blind copy email replies to possible producers from those looking for milk, and if the producer wanted to follow through it was up to them.

I've had more inquiries than usual in the last couple of weeks, and it's got me worried, especially in light of this Tn dept of ag stuff. I'm trying to figure out some way to query these folks to find out if they're for real. Suggestions?

OakMoon FarmBakersville, NCwww.freewebs.com/oakmoonfarm

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> Maybe you could ask then to slow mail you and verify a postal

address???? Don in Pa.

> For a while now, I've been listed on realmilk and kind of served as

intermediary for folks looking for milk. I'd blind copy email replies

to possible producers from those looking for milk, and if the producer

wanted to follow through it was up to them.

> I've had more inquiries than usual in the last couple of weeks, and

it's got me worried, especially in light of this Tn dept of ag stuff.

I'm trying to figure out some way to query these folks to find out if

they're for real. Suggestions?

>

> OakMoon Farm

> Bakersville, NC

> www.freewebs.com/oakmoonfarm

>

[Guest guest]

I don't see any way to be sure that person isn't from TDA. If I were

selling milk I'd only sell to people who are well known to folks I

know well. Call me paranoid but I've had TDA on my place a couple of

times and I'd rather not go through that again.

Belinda

>

> For a while now, I've been listed on realmilk and kind of served as

intermediary for folks looking for milk. I'd blind copy email replies

to possible producers from those looking for milk, and if the producer

wanted to follow through it was up to them.

> I've had more inquiries than usual in the last couple of weeks, and

it's got me worried, especially in light of this Tn dept of ag stuff.

I'm trying to figure out some way to query these folks to find out if

they're for real. Suggestions?

>

> OakMoon Farm

> Bakersville, NC

> www.freewebs.com/oakmoonfarm

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about that same thing too. It's almost too easy if

you are are one of these people to call up and ask questions, or

contact by email. I would say if they email you get their name,

phone number and mailing address, and why not place of work for

verification. From there you could at least see if they've given

you a fake name. After that you can always do a google search. I

would think if they work for one of these companies or the

government something would pop up. I gogled my girlfriend when I

first met her and found articles about her or a program she helped

with, and she was just a social worker. I found my source by going

to the real milk website. That is how I direct people near me, if

they want it bad enough they will find it and make contact with the

source or someone that can help them get some. My chiropractor just

had me double my order and I bring it in the day I pick it up and

get adjusted after I drop it off. It's hard to screen people. Also

if you, or your friends, or your friends friends are computer savvy,

I'm sure you could find out ther IP address and where there actual

email is coming from. I am not that person, but it can be done.

Jordan

[Guest guest]

My first message got lost in cyber-space yesterday-

I got a call yesterday morning as well- someone saw my ad for goats

for sale in a new local regional magazine and asked if I had goats for

sale, then he asked if I sold goat milk. I said 'NO! " and directed him

to buy it at Walmart in 1 qt. cartons. He thought it was only in cans

and was suprised to hear it came in 1 qt. cartons.

And, he practically knew where I lived without me giving any info.

Betsy

Cosby, TN

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll ask for name, rank, and serial number---oh, and maybe shoe size! Being silly here, but I usually just send the email out to other producers and let them do their own sleuthing at this point, and since even asking for addresses, etc. will not guarantee who they are and their intentions, I'm gonna have to just go on gut, mostly.

This once more points out the importance of folks contacting their paid government employees (legislators, representatives) to voice that they want to be able to make a reasonable food choice and legally buy/obtain natural milk.

Thanks again, everybody.

OakMoon FarmBakersville, NCwww.freewebs.com/oakmoonfarm

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