Re: Asthma and Respiratory Allergies

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I used to live on antihistamines and cough drops...for many years. I

used to have a tickle in my throat and was unable to talk or read

aloud for more than a minute or so without starting to cough. If I

was outside in cold weather, that would make cough. If I breathed

hard for a while, like after exertion, that would make me cough.

Sometimes I would start coughing uncontrollably. It really made me

tired...and probably would scare a young child!

After reading articles on the WAPF site, I started eating more animal

fat and less refined carbs. The first thing I started doing

differently was to try to eat some natural cholesterol in every

meal. I continued to drink milk, but now it was whole milk, not 2%

milk.

I found I could stop taking antihistamines and cough drops. I would

say I noticed it gradually over about a 3 month period. " Hey! I

haven't been coughing. I haven't taken any pills in a long time. I

haven't used those cough drops in my purse for ages. " That sort of

thing. It was like adding the animal fat made my throat less

sensitive. Now I can go outside and take a deep breath of cold air,

and I'm just fine.

After I added cod liver oil, that seemed to help even more. I might

have a sudden reaction to a big dose of grass pollen while mowing the

yard, but it would peak quickly and then go away. Before, it was

like I had a slow-burning allergic reaction to things like mold or

some kinds of pollen, but it never got very big. It just dragged out

in the form of postnasal drip and a chronic cough.

Avoiding caffeine also helps. Read this:

http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/ask_allergies.html

If I have caffeine, I sniff a bit, but I don't have to take allergy

pills.

DH uses lots of coffee every day, and his allergies continue to

plague him. When he's really bad, he can take Natra-Bio's Adrenal

Support and it helps him get going in about 10 minutes. It's a

homeopathic remedy.

I would like to find out what would happen if I stopped drinking

commercial milk, but I can't do that regularly right now.

I work full time outside the home. I don't have access to raw cow's

milk or regular access to things like sourdough bread. I try to

avoid most fast food. When I do eat fast food, I try to avoid lots

of bread and commercial french fries. I figure tacos and Mexican

food that uses lime-soaked corn tortillas is not as bad as things

that use white flour. I have free-range eggs and turkey bacon for

breakfast. I eat at a cafeteria for lunch most days. I have things

like roast and veggies for supper. When I make fried potatoes, I use

beef tallow and coconut oil.

I'd like to start using kefir because I think it would be good to

help normalize intestinal flora, which apparently can help resolve

lots of health problems. But I haven't got any grains yet. I can

get raw goat's milk, and I guess that's what I would make kefir out

of.

> Has anyone gotten rid of their asthma and/or respiratory allergies

to

> stuff like mold spore, dust mites, pollen, etc? If so, how did you

> do it… specifically did you eliminate certain foods, how

rigidly do

> you follow your diet, and how long did it take to notice a

difference?

>

> And is there anyone out there who is still suffering from

> asthma/allergies despite eating an NT-approved diet… and do you

eat

> properly prepared grains or raw dairy?

>

> Thanks,

> Heidi H.

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> I used to live on antihistamines and cough drops...

Thanks for responding. Your diet is much like ours. We are hindered

by not having sources of raw milk and decent meat nearby, and also

working long hours. We drive four hours one way to pick up a side of

beef once a year, and make due with Organic valley whole milk, cream,

sour cream, brown cow yogurt, and grocery store cheese. We do kefir

our milk before drinking, but the cream and cheese aren't really very

good.

My husband has the asthma that is kicked off by any sort of

particulate in the air such as mold spore or dust mites. I vacuum

every day and we have hepa filters going everywhere and he can kinda

breath sometimes. I've been doing a lot of reading and it seems that

either pasteurized dairy or casein intolerance are both largely

responsible for chronic asthma.

I've also been reading Heidi's posts about gluten over the last couple

of years and read Dangerous Grains. His family could be the poster

family for Dangerous Grains. He's decided to try gluten-free for two

weeks, but I'm afraid with all the crappy dairy we eat that his

efforts might be in vein.

I was trying to determine if we eliminated food intolerances and

increased cod liver oil, probiotics etc, if the asthma would just go

away or if it would be gradual like you describe. If asthma/allergies

go away gradually, it would be easier on him (and me) to gradually

transition to better dairy and no grains.

Again, thanks for the info. It was very helpful.

Heidi H.

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Searching for a cure for my asthma/allergies is what brought me to find NT. I

was daily on 2-4 oral inhalers, as well as antihistamineS and an oral tab for

asthma, and allergy shots. I was diagnosed with allergies to dust, dust mites,

grass, trees, weeds, molds, cats and dogs. Each year it got worse, not better,

under my allergist's care.

So, I read Maker's Diet, and and Nutrition and Phys Degeneration and started

doing what they recommended. First I went on a candida cleanse, as I had all

the symptoms of candidiasis. (I used a Garden of Life product.) Then I started

taking Primal Defense ( or an EM product) every day. I changed to completely

organic fruits and vegs, whole raw milk dairy, free-range eggs, free range

poultry and pastured beef, and lots of butter and coconut oil when cooking. If

we eat it, I make it. I became obsessed with what was in everything we ate. No

sugar, no processed food, ever. I also started using soaked grain and fermented

veg and fruit recipes in NT, and recently tried to go less gluten (thanks to the

E-influence of Heidi and Katja).

For supplementation, I take cod liver oil, butter oil, Vit E, a multivit,

fenugreek, and a Ca/Mg.

As a result, I'm off all prescription meds. I mean completely off ! I kept

seeing my allergist every 6-8 weeks in the beginning, and each visit I would

eliminate another drug. Now I just do the allergy shots, and maybe I'll

eventually be able to stop those.

Symptom-wise, I can play outside with my children again, and not get an

immediate sinus infection. I can ride with the car windows down, and even dust

my own house, without wearing a Hazmat suit. If I go outside when the grass is

mowed, I get a bit stuffy, but it's gone within a few hours. NOTHING like my

life before. I also lost 10 lbs. (an added bonus!)

I don't know if I'll ever be completely allergy and asthma free, but I believe

that by getting my colon and liver in good shape again, I gave my body the

ability to accept the environment in which I live.

Rebekah

Asthma and Respiratory Allergies

Has anyone gotten rid of their asthma and/or respiratory allergies to

stuff like mold spore, dust mites, pollen, etc? If so, how did you

do it. specifically did you eliminate certain foods, how rigidly do

you follow your diet, and how long did it take to notice a difference?

And is there anyone out there who is still suffering from

asthma/allergies despite eating an NT-approved diet. and do you eat

properly prepared grains or raw dairy?

Thanks,

Heidi H.

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> My husband has the asthma that is kicked off by any sort of

> particulate in the air such as mold spore or dust mites. I vacuum

> every day and we have hepa filters going everywhere and he can kinda

> breath sometimes. I've been doing a lot of reading and it seems

that

> either pasteurized dairy or casein intolerance are both largely

> responsible for chronic asthma.

>

My husband has air filters going in 3 rooms, and some of them are

HEPA. We suspect they become part of the problem once they get

loaded up with debris. The Ionic Breeze can be cleaned thoroughly

and easily, and it's amazing for eliminating odors. I don't know how

much it helps his allergies, though. He doesn't even use them all

the time.

> I've also been reading Heidi's posts about gluten over the last

couple

> of years and read Dangerous Grains. His family could be the poster

> family for Dangerous Grains. He's decided to try gluten-free for

two

> weeks, but I'm afraid with all the crappy dairy we eat that his

> efforts might be in vein.

>

On the other hand, if you only change one thing at a time, then you

get a better idea what makes the most difference. :-)

Has he ever been tested for gluten intolerance? If not, and if he

wants to be tested, you should not make any changes in his diet

before he is tested. It can make a difference in the test results.

> I was trying to determine if we eliminated food intolerances and

> increased cod liver oil, probiotics etc, if the asthma would just go

> away or if it would be gradual like you describe. If

asthma/allergies

> go away gradually, it would be easier on him (and me) to gradually

> transition to better dairy and no grains.

IMHO, the ultimate goal would be to strengthen and normalize your

systems so you don't have to go through life avoiding so much stuff.

Even though I find Doug Kaufmann's (http://www.yourhealthmatters.tv)

research into the connection between fungus and various degenerative

diseases to be fascinating, and I encourage folks to check him out, I

still come back to the idea that his advice to avoid foods containing

fungus and situations that involve mold and fungus as good only for

the short term. It may be good in a crisis, when your allergic

reactions are taking you so far down that you can't function at all.

But I really think we need to find a way to get healed so we don't

have to put to much effort into avoiding so much stuff.

ly, if I dwelt on all the things I've ever read that we should

avoid (foods, chemicals, environmental situations, etc.), I would

make myself crazy. I really think we do ourselves more harm by using

so much overprocessed, unnatural, sorry-excuses-for-food, too much

sugar and starch, and by our burn-the-candle-at-both-ends lifestyle.

It's like we are trying to have everything all the time, when we

would probably benefit from having seasons in our lives.

That said, I also think the one thing we've deprived ourselves of

long enough is cholesterol and animal fat. When I started allowing

myself to eat that in foods again, that's when I saw the health of my

family improve!

I had heel spurs. They're gone now. I used to be tired all the

time. Now I can get up and walk the 3 miles home if I have to, or go

the farm and do chores after work. My daughter started growing again

and became even-tempered again. My allergies diminished. My cycles

became an afterthought in my life ( " Oh. TOM again. Whatever. " ). My

husband went from being cold all the time and (probably) hypothyroid

to being active and creative again.

The only supplement I take regularly is cod liver oil. Sometimes I

take magnesium if I overdo the activity. I can't remember the last

time I took a commercial painkiller.

I don't know my current cholesterol number, and I don't care. The

last time I saw it, it was 186, and that was after I had a double-

bacon-cheeseburger the night before and eggs for breakfast the

morning of the test! I do know that the research indicates that

women with so-called " high " cholesterol live better and longer than

those with " low " cholesterol. I refuse to allow myself to get

stressed out by the numbers, when they just keep lowering

the " acceptable " range to the point where EVERYONE will have to take

statin drugs for the rest of their life! Who benefits from that? I

ask you. Read up on what happens to you when your cholesterol gets

TOO low!

Awwwww...I got on my soapbox again. Sorry about that.

My point is this: try the easy stuff first. Incorporate more foods

containing natural animal fat and cholesterol into your family's

diet. Avoid too much sugar and starch and soy and caffeine. Use

cod liver oil. Eat foods containing beneficial bacteria. Get enough

sleep and downtime. You can use _some_ starch, but it should match

your level of physical activity. Don't eat the same thing all the

time. Enjoy fresh fruits and veggies in season (preferably from a

local farmer's market), and learn to culture them like it says in

Sally Fallon's " Nourishing Traditions " .

If dairy still seems like it causes problems after trying what I call

the " easy stuff " , and after trying it raw and/or cultured, then see

about eliminating it. That's my humble opinion. I personally enjoy

dairy. Some on the list can't tolerate it, though.

Sorry this got so long. I hope there's something here you can use!

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hamptonheidi wrote:

> Has anyone gotten rid of their asthma and/or respiratory allergies to

> stuff like mold spore, dust mites, pollen, etc? If so, how did you

> do it… specifically did you eliminate certain foods, how rigidly do

> you follow your diet, and how long did it take to notice a difference?

>

> And is there anyone out there who is still suffering from

> asthma/allergies despite eating an NT-approved diet… and do you eat

> properly prepared grains or raw dairy?

>

My family's asthma problems disappeared when we cut out the sulphide

preservatives a few years ago. My eczema has disappeared since I cut out

wheat/gluten and I can handle dairy much better. I still get a bit

conjested from dairy, but I'm hoping that will improve next year when I

move to my new place and have a couple of goats. I've still got a bit of

hayfever (it's spring here in Australia), but I'm hoping that will

improve as I get more into NT. So far, I'm not doing a lot of NT stuff

because I'm trying to organise the new place and pack up the old one.

I'm also between books at the moment - I borrowed one from the library

but had to take it back after renewing it 2-3 times and I'm still

waiting for one that I've ordered through a local book shop.

Cheers,

Tas'.

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Hi Heidi H

--- hamptonheidi <hamptonheidi@...> wrote:

> Has anyone gotten rid of their asthma and/or

> respiratory allergies to

> stuff like mold spore, dust mites, pollen, etc? If

> so, how did you

> do it… specifically did you eliminate certain foods,

> how rigidly do

> you follow your diet, and how long did it take to

> notice a difference?

>

I have suffered very badly from hayfever since I was 6

years old - I am now 31. Nearly 5 years ago, I went

on a low carb diet, and my symptoms improved

dramatically - the length of time I suffered reduced

by several months, and the severity of the symptoms

reduced.

In November of last year, I cut gluten out of my diet

100% (bear in mind I rarely ate anything glutenous

anyway). My hayfever this year was again far

improved. I suffered for about 1 month only, and the

symptoms were quite mild. I am gluten free 99.9% of

the year (eg I did have some of my wedding cake back

in May, and I sneak in the odd farm-shop sausage every

few months or so, which isn't gluten free, but seems

to have very little effect on me)

I also get a runny nose, and post nasal drip from

eating dairy products. Even fermented. I haven't yet

experimented on any link with dairy and hay fever,

however I know that dairy adversely affects me so I

try not to eat too much of it. That doesn't really

work though!

HTH

Jo

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--- hamptonheidi <hamptonheidi@...> wrote:

> My husband has the asthma that is kicked off by any

> sort of

> particulate in the air such as mold spore or dust

> mites. I vacuum

> every day and we have hepa filters going everywhere

> and he can kinda

> breath sometimes. I've been doing a lot of reading

> and it seems that

> either pasteurized dairy or casein intolerance are

> both largely

> responsible for chronic asthma.

>

Heidi

If dairy is a trigger for his astham as a result of

casein intolerance, the type of dairy may not matter -

any could cause this problem. I believe casein is the

problem for me, and I had whole raw milk kefir

yesterday, and today my symptoms are pretty bad.

I find dairy-free hard to do, as I just love it! And

it is filling, NT-legal food. However, coconut milk

is a good replacement food in many cases - you can

make cocoa, use it in cooking, and pour it on fruit,

make smoothies etc. You can add it to chicken stock

to make soup . It is the one tinned food that Sally

allows!

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> > Has anyone gotten rid of their asthma and/or

> > respiratory allergies to

> > stuff like mold spore, dust mites, pollen, etc? If

> > so, how did you

> > do it? specifically did you eliminate certain foods,

> > how rigidly do

> > you follow your diet, and how long did it take to

> > notice a difference?

> >

>

> I have suffered very badly from hayfever since I was 6

> years old - I am now 31. Nearly 5 years ago, I went

> on a low carb diet, and my symptoms improved

> dramatically - the length of time I suffered reduced

> by several months, and the severity of the symptoms

> reduced.

>

> In November of last year, I cut gluten out of my diet

> 100% (bear in mind I rarely ate anything glutenous

> anyway). My hayfever this year was again far

> improved. I suffered for about 1 month only, and the

> symptoms were quite mild. I am gluten free 99.9% of

> the year (eg I did have some of my wedding cake back

> in May, and I sneak in the odd farm-shop sausage every

> few months or so, which isn't gluten free, but seems

> to have very little effect on me)

>

> I also get a runny nose, and post nasal drip from

> eating dairy products. Even fermented. I haven't yet

> experimented on any link with dairy and hay fever,

> however I know that dairy adversely affects me so I

> try not to eat too much of it. That doesn't really

> work though!

>

> HTH

>

> Jo

>

That's funny. You described my situation exactly. I am 31 and have

been suffering from hay fever, post nasal drip etc. since I was about

8 or 9 years old. I too went gluten free recently and dramatically

curbed the amount of carbs I intake and my allergies are so much

better. I too am trying to cut out the dairy because I notice that t

makes me - excuse the disgusting term - mucousy. I'm trying to

concentrate on protein, fats and produce right now, although I do make

myself GF pancakes once a day. I worry about cutting my carbs too low

because as I said in a recent post, I seem to be losing weight.

Do you still eat butter? That's the one dairy product I would like to

keep if possible.

One last thing, I'm noticing that nuts - even sprouted ones - cause me

some problems, especially if I eat more than a handful. Do you have

the same problem?

I'm starting to think the " Paleo " approach to diet isn't so crazy

after all.

Ciao,

Dawn

>

>

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Jo,

Are you the person that recommended the Garden of Eating to me a while

back? If so, how long have you been using it? Do you use it

regularly? I should be getting mine when my mom comes for a visit.

I'm very curious to read it. I still like NT, but I have to pick and

choose the recipes there because many of them contain gluten and dairy.

Ciao,

Dawn

>

> > My husband has the asthma that is kicked off by any

> > sort of

> > particulate in the air such as mold spore or dust

> > mites. I vacuum

> > every day and we have hepa filters going everywhere

> > and he can kinda

> > breath sometimes. I've been doing a lot of reading

> > and it seems that

> > either pasteurized dairy or casein intolerance are

> > both largely

> > responsible for chronic asthma.

> >

>

>

> Heidi

> If dairy is a trigger for his astham as a result of

> casein intolerance, the type of dairy may not matter -

> any could cause this problem. I believe casein is the

> problem for me, and I had whole raw milk kefir

> yesterday, and today my symptoms are pretty bad.

>

> I find dairy-free hard to do, as I just love it! And

> it is filling, NT-legal food. However, coconut milk

> is a good replacement food in many cases - you can

> make cocoa, use it in cooking, and pour it on fruit,

> make smoothies etc. You can add it to chicken stock

> to make soup . It is the one tinned food that Sally

> allows!

>

> Jo

>

>

>

>

>

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Responding to Rebekah, Tas, and Jo:

>Searching for a cure for my asthma/allergies is what brought me to

find NT. I

>was daily on 2-4 oral inhalers, as well as antihistamines and an oral

tab for

>asthma, and allergy shots. I was diagnosed with allergies to dust,

dust mites,

>grass, trees, weeds, molds, cats and dogs. Each year it got worse,

not better,

>under my allergist's care.

>I don't know if I'll ever be completely allergy and asthma free, but

I believe

>that by getting my colon and liver in good shape again, I gave my

body the

>ability to accept the environment in which I live.

Yeah!! These are the kind of results we're looking for!

>My family's asthma problems disappeared when we cut out the sulphide

>preservatives a few years ago. My eczema has disappeared since I cut out

>wheat/gluten and I can handle dairy much better. I still get a bit

>conjested from dairy, but I'm hoping that will improve next year when I

>move to my new place and have a couple of goats. I've still got a bit of

>hayfever (it's spring here in Australia), but I'm hoping that will

>improve as I get more into NT.

That's interesting. I get a runny nose and mucus after dairy

(pasteurized, though). I just recently quit gluten so maybe dairy

will work out for me.

>I have suffered very badly from hayfever since I was 6

>years old - I am now 31. Nearly 5 years ago, I went

>on a low carb diet, and my symptoms improved

>dramatically - the length of time I suffered reduced

>by several months, and the severity of the symptoms

>reduced.

We tried the Atkins diet. He's pretty skinny so we couldn't stay on

it for very long, but in the two week induction period, he didn't get

any improvement. Did it take longer for yours to clear up?

>I also get a runny nose, and post nasal drip from

>eating dairy products. Even fermented. I haven't yet

>experimented on any link with dairy and hay fever,

>however I know that dairy adversely affects me so I

>try not to eat too much of it. That doesn't really

>work though!

My nose runs and I get kind of mucusy after eating dairy, and

sometimes my nose gets stopped up. Even just a small amount of sour

cream. I tested positive for casein intolerance (IgA) but I don't

think I can give it up either!

>If dairy is a trigger for his asthma as a result of

>casein intolerance, the type of dairy may not matter -

>any could cause this problem. I believe casein is the

>problem for me, and I had whole raw milk kefir

>yesterday, and today my symptoms are pretty bad.

Dairy doesn't directly trigger and asthma attack. Mold spore, air

pollution, smoke, cat dander, stuff like that trigger an attack, but

I've read that eating pasteurized dairy can be a hidden cause of

asthma problems. I read that pasteurized milk doesn't have B6 and a

B6 deficiency makes people really susceptible to asthma and

respiratory allergies. Casein intolerance, I guess, could keep the

immune system bogged down enough to have allergy problems. I don't

know much about casein intolerance, though.

>I find dairy-free hard to do, as I just love it! And

>it is filling, NT-legal food.

I totally agree and because of that I've kept two testimonials of

people who were supposedly allergic to milk and everything else and

raw milk got rid of their allergies. I keep my fingers crossed in

hopes that we'll find a way to keep the dairy and not have allergies.

>However, coconut milk

>is a good replacement food in many cases

Now I don't know why I didn't think of that. He used to have a

smoothie for breakfast and I switched him to eggs which don't keep him

filled up until lunch. I'm going to try a coconut milk fruit smoothie

tomorrow and see how that works.

Thanks for everyones responses!!

Heidi H.

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>My husband has air filters going in 3 rooms, and some of them are

>HEPA. We suspect they become part of the problem once they get

>loaded up with debris. The Ionic Breeze can be cleaned thoroughly

>and easily, and it's amazing for eliminating odors. I don't know how

>much it helps his allergies, though. He doesn't even use them all

>the time.

Hmmm. Now that you mention it, I don't think our hepa filters work

like they used to. When it was new, we could use it in the bedroom

and he could sleep through the night without his inhaler. Now, he

needs to use his inhaler before going to bed. I do notice this same

phenomenon with the hepa vacuum cleaner, too.

>Has he ever been tested for gluten intolerance? If not, and if he

>wants to be tested, you should not make any changes in his diet

>before he is tested. It can make a difference in the test results.

I was just tested for gluten and casein intolerance, and I have both.

:-( I tried to talk him into being tested but after seeing my results

he thought it would be a waste of money because if he is both casein

and gluten intolerant, he's not giving up both. He feels the social

implications of giving up both would worse than the asthma. If he

can't eat with friends and family, then he doesn't think life would be

much worth living, which I can kinda understand. He thought he could

live without gluten so he's trying gluten free for two weeks. So far

(three days) and no improvement in the asthma. But I'm kinda thinking

that it's going to take awhile to get all the histamine out of his

system and strengthen his adrenal function etc. before he feels

noticeably better.

>My point is this: try the easy stuff first. Incorporate more foods

>containing natural animal fat and cholesterol into your family's

>diet. Avoid too much sugar and starch and soy and caffeine. Use

>cod liver oil. Eat foods containing beneficial bacteria. Get enough

>sleep and downtime. You can use _some_ starch, but it should match

>your level of physical activity. Don't eat the same thing all the

>time. Enjoy fresh fruits and veggies in season (preferably from a

>local farmer's market), and learn to culture them like it says in

>Sally Fallon's " Nourishing Traditions " .

We've pretty much do this while at home. He eats out 2-3 times a week

which may be part of the problem. How much cod liver oil do you take

in terms of vitamin A? I've got him on about 15,000 IU a day. I

recently read an Adelle book where she said her patients take

about four months of high doses (sometimes up to 100,000 IU) of

vitamin A per day, then cut back. From what Sally's said in her vit A

articles, this is a really important vitamin in immune health.

>If dairy still seems like it causes problems after trying what I call

>the " easy stuff " , and after trying it raw and/or cultured, then see

>about eliminating it. That's my humble opinion. I personally enjoy

>dairy. Some on the list can't tolerate it, though.

I agree, I love dairy too, and I think that it has too much to offer,

health-wise. I'm definitely not emotionally ready to give it up,

myself. I've got two testimonials from the archives from people who

are casein, but drink raw milk. I'm hoping that I can find some way

to enjoy dairy without consequences.

>Sorry this got so long. I hope there's something here you can use!

Thanks again for responding. Discussing this with other I think helps

more than anything. And I think I have a plan forming for what we'll

try next.

Heidi H.

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wrote:

> That's funny. You described my situation exactly. I am 31 and have

> been suffering from hay fever, post nasal drip etc. since I was about

> 8 or 9 years old. I too went gluten free recently and dramatically

> curbed the amount of carbs I intake and my allergies are so much

> better. I too am trying to cut out the dairy because I notice that t

> makes me - excuse the disgusting term - mucousy. I'm trying to

> concentrate on protein, fats and produce right now, although I do make

> myself GF pancakes once a day. I worry about cutting my carbs too low

> because as I said in a recent post, I seem to be losing weight.

>

> Do you still eat butter? That's the one dairy product I would like to

> keep if possible.

>

> One last thing, I'm noticing that nuts - even sprouted ones - cause me

> some problems, especially if I eat more than a handful. Do you have

> the same problem?

>

> I'm starting to think the " Paleo " approach to diet isn't so crazy

> after all.

>

> Ciao,

>

> Dawn

Too weird. My husband's 31, too. He also is skinny and can't lose

much weight. I feed him lots of potatoes and sweet potatoes in soup

to keep him beefed up. I get mucusy when I eat dairy and I tested

postive for IgA intolerance to casein. I don't know what that really

means, yet, but I also tested positive for an IgA intolerance to

gluten so I'm hoping after eliminating gluten then I'll be able to eat

at least butter and cream.

Heidi H.

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--- dawnciano <dawnciano@...> wrote:

I too am trying to cut out the dairy

> because I notice that t

> makes me - excuse the disgusting term - mucousy.

> I'm trying to

> concentrate on protein, fats and produce right now,

> although I do make

> myself GF pancakes once a day. I worry about

> cutting my carbs too low

> because as I said in a recent post, I seem to be

> losing weight.

I read that - I wish I could get to what you weigh!

I've been desperatley trying, but it just ain't

happening!

> Do you still eat butter? That's the one dairy

> product I would like to

> keep if possible.

Yes, can't seem to give that up, no matter how hard i

try! However, I ought to try making clarified butter

- this would be better, as it has no milk proteins.

JUst a matter of gettin a round tuit I s'pose

> One last thing, I'm noticing that nuts - even

> sprouted ones - cause me

> some problems, especially if I eat more than a

> handful. Do you have

> the same problem?

They make me bloat, definitely. I haven't tried the

soaking and drying I can't really get my head around

what to do, or plan far enough in advance to think

" I'm going to want some nuts in 2 days - best get on

with preparing them now " . For me they are an

emergency food for fending against starvation.

> I'm starting to think the " Paleo " approach to diet

> isn't so crazy

> after all.

No, I don't believe it's crazy. But it is VERY hard!

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--- hamptonheidi <hamptonheidi@...> wrote:

>> We tried the Atkins diet. He's pretty skinny so we

> couldn't stay on

> it for very long, but in the two week induction

> period, he didn't get

> any improvement. Did it take longer for yours to

> clear up?

Well, started LC in January, so I had a few months to

try it before hayfever started. I don't recall an

improvement that first year (although that was a LONG

time ago!), but I didn't really get to grips with LC

for my first year, and I kept falling off the wagon

and eating desserts and bread etc. It certainly

improved the hayfever in my second year though, once I

properly low carbed.

BTW, Atkins does state in his books, that if you don't

need to lose weight, just go straight to maintenance

level carbs and you will see a health improvement

without the weight loss. If your partner switches

some carbs for good fats, then he may find something

like 80-100g carbs (from good, healthy sources) per

day is enough to keep the weight on, but improve his

health too.

> >However, coconut milk

> >is a good replacement food in many cases

> Now I don't know why I didn't think of that. He

> used to have a

> smoothie for breakfast and I switched him to eggs

> which don't keep him

> filled up until lunch. I'm going to try a coconut

> milk fruit smoothie

> tomorrow and see how that works.

Why not try coconut milk, fruit and couple of raw egg

yolks? That fills me up easily until lunch

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>But I'm kinda thinking

>that it's going to take awhile to get all the histamine out of his

>system and strengthen his adrenal function etc. before he feels

>noticeably better.

One trick I did for years, for chronic sinusitis, was to

take a benedryl every night before bedtime. It soaks up

excess histamine, and I'd wake up in the morning SOOOO

refreshed. I don't have any allergies that I know of (even

on allergy tests) but maybe I end up with too much histamine

anyway.

Also, I had a kid visiting who had a full-blown asthma attack

from our cat ... I called the Mom who said " Give him 1,000 mg

of vitamin C " . I did, and the kid cleared up! I don't know why it

works but you might give it a try. Large doses of vitamin C do

seem to do good things for some people.

I hear you on giving up dairy ... when I went GF I just did NOT

want to hear about giving up anything else, and there really

is no CF substitute for good cheese (which I indulge in

occasionally). Casein doesn't cause me the massive problems

gluten does, and I ate it for about a year after I went GF.

I finally experimented with REALLY giving it up to see if it

would make a difference with my migraines, and surprisingly

it did ... also most dairy lost it's appeal after not eating it

for awhile. But it's a lot more difficult to deal with, in our society,

than giving up wheat.

Heidi Jean

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Heidi-

>One trick I did for years, for chronic sinusitis, was to

>take a benedryl every night before bedtime. It soaks up

>excess histamine, and I'd wake up in the morning SOOOO

>refreshed.

I tried that a couple times, but I had the opposite experience. I felt

sort of drugged and out of it the whole next day. Awful.

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> How much cod liver oil do you take

> in terms of vitamin A? I've got him on about 15,000 IU a day. I

> recently read an Adelle book where she said her patients take

> about four months of high doses (sometimes up to 100,000 IU) of

> vitamin A per day, then cut back. From what Sally's said in her

vit A

> articles, this is a really important vitamin in immune health.

I take 1 tablespoon each morning with breakfast.

I believe the vitamin A _is_ important to immune health. It's also

important to bone health, along with vitamin D. And it's important

to the health of mucus membranes. And reproductive health.

It's just an all-purpose Good Guy, in my opinion.

[Guest guest]

> I too am trying to cut out the dairy

> > because I notice that t

> > makes me - excuse the disgusting term - mucousy.

> > I'm trying to

> > concentrate on protein, fats and produce right now,

> > although I do make

> > myself GF pancakes once a day. I worry about

> > cutting my carbs too low

> > because as I said in a recent post, I seem to be

> > losing weight.

>

> I read that - I wish I could get to what you weigh!

> I've been desperatley trying, but it just ain't

> happening!

I'm just afraid of being too underweight. I always have been

underweight compared to weight/height charts. Just my body type I

guess. I guess as long as I feel good then everything's alright.

>

> > Do you still eat butter? That's the one dairy

> > product I would like to

> > keep if possible.

>

> Yes, can't seem to give that up, no matter how hard i

> try! However, I ought to try making clarified butter

> - this would be better, as it has no milk proteins.

> JUst a matter of gettin a round tuit I s'pose

I just bought some ghee, but I realized that the fact that it was on

the store shelf unrefrigerated is probably not good. Lord knows what

they put into it so that it doesn't need to be refrigerated. I guess

I'll eat it anyway so it won't go to waste. I think it will be VERY

tough if I have to give up butter, but I'd hate to have to make

clarified butter; just another thing to add to my " to do " list.

>

> > One last thing, I'm noticing that nuts - even

> > sprouted ones - cause me

> > some problems, especially if I eat more than a

> > handful. Do you have

> > the same problem?

>

> They make me bloat, definitely. I haven't tried the

> soaking and drying I can't really get my head around

> what to do, or plan far enough in advance to think

> " I'm going to want some nuts in 2 days - best get on

> with preparing them now " . For me they are an

> emergency food for fending against starvation.

I don't mind the soaking. It's the dehydrating that takes FOREVER. I

may go back to soaking small quantities at a time and then using them

right away (like in one or two days). I probably shouldn't be eating

more than a handful at a time anyway, since they give me problems.

>

> > I'm starting to think the " Paleo " approach to diet

> > isn't so crazy

> > after all.

>

> No, I don't believe it's crazy. But it is VERY hard!

Yeah, it's tough giving up some of your favorite foods, but I'm just

so sick of allergies at this point that I think I can do it. We'll

have to cheer each other on since we're in the same situation.

Dawn

>

> Jo

>

>

>

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> I finally experimented with REALLY giving it up to see if it

> would make a difference with my migraines, and surprisingly

> it did ... also most dairy lost it's appeal after not eating it

> for awhile. But it's a lot more difficult to deal with, in our society,

> than giving up wheat.

>

> Heidi Jean

You can say that again. My husband thinks I'm nuts for not eating

dairy anymore. And I can only imagine what everyone else is going to

say once they find out.

Dawn

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Dawn-

>I just bought some ghee, but I realized that the fact that it was on

>the store shelf unrefrigerated is probably not good. Lord knows what

>they put into it so that it doesn't need to be refrigerated.

Actually, that's kind of the whole point of making ghee. You eliminate the

milk solids and every last bit of water so that the remaining fat -- mostly

saturated -- won't spoil even without refrigeration.

Now, I'd take raw butter over ghee any day of the week because there are

undoubtedly nutritional factors destroyed by the extended heating required

to prepare real ghee, but I doubt ghee is actually harmful.

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At 10:47 AM 9/29/2004, you wrote:

>I tried that a couple times, but I had the opposite experience. I felt

>sort of drugged and out of it the whole next day. Awful.

>

>-

Interesting! Some folks take it and never feel tired at all ..

it knocks me out for 8 hours then I'm fine.

Heidi Jean

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>You can say that again. My husband thinks I'm nuts for not eating

>dairy anymore. And I can only imagine what everyone else is going to

>say once they find out.

>

>Dawn

Actually I cheat on that count ... everyone knows I have odd food

preferences ... I have food aversions, so sometimes I just

can't stand something because of the texture. So I just say,

" I really don't like ... " whatever. Which is true ... I do NOT like

pizza, for instance, cheese or no cheese. If anyone gives

me a hard time, I threaten to make them eat my anchovies.

Heidi Jean

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--- dawnciano <dawnciano@...> wrote:

I just bought some ghee, but I realized that the

> fact that it was on

> the store shelf unrefrigerated is probably not good.

> Lord knows what

> they put into it so that it doesn't need to be

> refrigerated. I guess

> I'll eat it anyway so it won't go to waste. I think

> it will be VERY

> tough if I have to give up butter, but I'd hate to

> have to make

> clarified butter; just another thing to add to my

> " to do " list.

Dawn

Ghee is just oil, it doesn't need to be refridgerated.

I don't keep mine in the fridge. In butter, it is

the milk solids that go off.

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--- dawnciano <dawnciano@...> wrote:

> Jo,

>

> Are you the person that recommended the Garden of

> Eating to me a while

> back? If so, how long have you been using it? Do

> you use it

> regularly?

Hi Dawn

No, sorry, not me. I did look at the link for it when

it was posted, but it didn't appeal to me at all.

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Boy, do I feel silly. I must be the only person who didn't know that

ghee doesn't have to be refrigerated.

Dawn

> I just bought some ghee, but I realized that the

> > fact that it was on

> > the store shelf unrefrigerated is probably not good.

> > Lord knows what

> > they put into it so that it doesn't need to be

> > refrigerated. I guess

> > I'll eat it anyway so it won't go to waste. I think

> > it will be VERY

> > tough if I have to give up butter, but I'd hate to

> > have to make

> > clarified butter; just another thing to add to my

> > " to do " list.

>

>

> Dawn

> Ghee is just oil, it doesn't need to be refridgerated.

> I don't keep mine in the fridge. In butter, it is

> the milk solids that go off.

>

> Jo

>

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