Guest guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Have they helped? I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead of ozone mostly the time. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote: > > > Have they helped? > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > -- M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Dear , That is not correct. The ozone is active for a much longer period of time than that. If you are ozonating saline, that liquid is viable for several hours. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman > To: oxyplus > From: dr.atorres@... > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:52:18 -0700 > Subject: Re: re:ozone injections > > The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your > defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a > month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver > tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. > Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the > reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more > blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those > methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead > of ozone mostly the time. > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote: > > > > > > > Have they helped? > > > > > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > -- > M.D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Saul, I was under the impression that ozone degrades as it warms up. Is the saline refridgerated? Or kept cool somehow? Thanks, Edy > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > -- > M.D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed. It could be that direct injections do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress, my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was hard on my veins. I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if conditions were ideal. I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it, 2 x a week, sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well. ________________________________ To: oxyplus Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM Subject: Re: re:ozone injections The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead of ozone mostly the time. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote: > > > Have they helped? > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > -- M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Dear Edy, Yes, kept in a Thermos so it doesn't warm up. Of course, if it is allowed to heat up, then there will be no ozone or oxygen in the saline. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman To: oxyplus From: edyrayfield@... Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:42:01 -0700 Subject: RE: re:ozone injections Saul, I was under the impression that ozone degrades as it warms up. Is the saline refridgerated? Or kept cool somehow? Thanks, Edy > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > -- > M.D. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Dear Arthur, What were the symptoms of oxidative stress that you experienced? Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman To: oxyplus From: alquitit@... Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:16:13 -0700 Subject: Re: re:ozone injections I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed. It could be that direct injections do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress, my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was hard on my veins. I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if conditions were ideal. I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it, 2 x a week, sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well. ________________________________ To: oxyplus Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM Subject: Re: re:ozone injections The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead of ozone mostly the time. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote: > > > Have they helped? > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > -- M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Dear Saul, Lot of time not talking... hope you are in good health. All here O.K. Here in Mexicali Mexico (where I have my place of working) the temperature at the shadow is 145 Fahrenheit degrees, and our place has not the best A/C in town. Temperature for us is a big factor against the use of saline solution with ozone, that's the reason to use I.V. directly... in all our years of working (more than 10 years) with an application of 50 (more or less) applications every day, included Saturdays and Sundays and application for free (that's the reason of our lot of patients) we never had have an embolism due to the I.V. application... remember Saul, this application is the poor man ozone application, since our patients do not have sufficient money for the use of a sauna or other complicated equipment (saline, i.v. equipment for this, non coagulants for blood) Some patients are in so bad economical shape that sometimes I need to bring them food, shelter and my money. A needle, a glass syringe and an i.v. equipment (used several times) is the only investment they do. Hope this is not too long... > > > > Dear , > > That is not correct. > > The ozone is active for a much longer period of time than that. > > If you are ozonating saline, that liquid is viable for several hours. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman > > > To: oxyplus <oxyplus%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: dr.atorres@... <dr.atorres%40gmail.com> > > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:52:18 -0700 > > Subject: Re: re:ozone injections > > > > > The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies > (your > > defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a > > month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver > > tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. > > Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the > > reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more > > blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because > those > > methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen > instead > > of ozone mostly the time. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...<edyrayfield%40sbcglobal.net> > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Have they helped? > > > > > > > > > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done > has > > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have > done > > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > M.D. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 My symptoms of oxidative stress tended to mirror the symptoms of the hcv, pallid complexion, light colored stools, rough skin, general light fatigue, a stressed appearance., When I began to counter with anti-oxs, all subsided, and now I use each as a separate therapy. And it is possible that my particular condition is already oxidative stress, -and the amount I did may not cause that problem in others. I don't hear of others with the same complaint. ________________________________ To: oxyplus Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 12:13:45 AM Subject: RE: re:ozone injections Dear Arthur, What were the symptoms of oxidative stress that you experienced? Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman To: oxyplus From: alquitit@... Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:16:13 -0700 Subject: Re: re:ozone injections I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed. It could be that direct injections do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress, my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was hard on my veins. I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if conditions were ideal. I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it, 2 x a week, sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well. ________________________________ To: oxyplus Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM Subject: Re: re:ozone injections The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems. Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead of ozone mostly the time. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote: > > > Have they helped? > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > -- M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I would like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water before we ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we use about a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used up. By the time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body temperature. Does this mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is self-defeating and if so what would be a way to do it so that the water would still be body temperature level? cathy > > > > > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > M.D. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I'm not an expert, but I think you are defeating your purpose. I was told to do the ozone enemas with as cool of water as was comfortable to retain the ozone. Also my colonic practioner told me that cool water will cause the parastalsys to be more activated in the colon. Subject: Re: re:ozone injections To: oxyplus Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 7:29 AM  I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I would like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water before we ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we use about a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used up. By the time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body temperature. Does this mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is self-defeating and if so what would be a way to do it so that the water would still be body temperature level? cathy > > > > > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > M.D. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Dear , It is pretty self-defeating. The only good way to do this is to have an inline system like the ecolon therapists do, so the ozone is injected just before the warm water enters the body. That way you don't lose the ozone to the heat. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman To: oxyplus From: cahydesmond@... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:29:20 +0000 Subject: Re: re:ozone injections I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I would like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water before we ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we use about a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used up. By the time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body temperature. Does this mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is self-defeating and if so what would be a way to do it so that the water would still be body temperature level? cathy > > > > > > > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has > > > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done > > > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > M.D. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Hi Arthur, Saul, I haven't dropped by for awhile, glad to hear from you. I've been suggesting people should use undenatured whey plus selenium at least as well as other antioxidant supplements and appropriate foods as the " other end " of oxidative therapy since 2002, when I could show a " bonded " cysteine deficiency even in healthy people. Cysteine is the rate-limiting factor for glutathione production and that explains why some people who have been unhealthy (or oxidized, and either one always has a depleted antioxidant pool), get noticeably better results on two servings of undenatured whey powder (ea. ~30 gm) per day than one (and maybe 400 mcg selenium?). That is, feeling noticeable gains regardless of whether they've had oxidative therapy. More whey servings could be used if one wanted to build any lean (recovery?) tissue back up. PDR lists one whey isolate for anti-cachexia because it is almost directly assimilated and it's supposed to be. Can you tolerate cow or goat? Allergy issues are separate but good whey is well tolerated by milk-sensitive people. Google " glutathione references " for one of my references pages. Google " inulin references " " fucoidans references " , " coconut oil references " , etc., all top ten even without quotes. Google likes content sites I think probably most of your condition was oxidative stress, and it's hard to thrive under that condition. IMO this is an important part of the therapy AND of anti-aging generally. all good, Duncan Crow > > My symptoms of oxidative stress tended to mirror the symptoms of the hcv, pallid complexion, light colored stools, rough skin, general light fatigue, a stressed appearance., When I began to counter with anti-oxs, all subsided, and now I use each as a separate therapy. > > And it is possible that my particular condition is already oxidative stress, -and the amount I did may not cause that problem in others. I don't hear of others with the same complaint. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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