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Have they helped?

I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has ever

been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done 300+

direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

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The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your

defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those

methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead

of ozone mostly the time.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

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>

> Have they helped?

>

>

>

> I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

>

>

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Dear ,

That is not correct.

The ozone is active for a much longer period of time than that.

If you are ozonating saline, that liquid is viable for several hours.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

> To: oxyplus

> From: dr.atorres@...

> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:52:18 -0700

> Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

>

> The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your

> defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

> month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

> tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

> Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

> reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

> blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those

> methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead

> of ozone mostly the time.

>

>

> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Have they helped?

> >

> >

> >

> > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> M.D.

>

>

>

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Saul,

I was under the impression that ozone degrades as it warms up.  Is the saline

refridgerated?  Or kept cool somehow?

Thanks,  Edy

> >

> > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> M.D.

>

>

>

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I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that

anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed.  It could be that direct injections

do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the

person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral

load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress,

my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was

hard on my veins.

 I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living

conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if

conditions were ideal.

 I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it,  2 x a week,

sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the

time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well.

________________________________

To: oxyplus

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your

defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those

methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead

of ozone mostly the time.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

>

> Have they helped?

>

>

>

> I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

>

--

M.D.

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Dear Edy,

Yes, kept in a Thermos so it doesn't warm up.

Of course, if it is allowed to heat up, then there

will be no ozone or oxygen in the saline.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

To: oxyplus

From: edyrayfield@...

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:42:01 -0700

Subject: RE: re:ozone injections

Saul,

I was under the impression that ozone degrades as it warms up. Is the saline

refridgerated? Or kept cool somehow?

Thanks, Edy

> >

> > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> M.D.

>

>

>

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Dear Arthur,

What were the symptoms of oxidative stress that you experienced?

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

To: oxyplus

From: alquitit@...

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:16:13 -0700

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that

anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed. It could be that direct injections

do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the

person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral

load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress,

my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was

hard on my veins.

I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living

conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if

conditions were ideal.

I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it, 2 x a week,

sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the

time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well.

________________________________

To: oxyplus

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your

defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those

methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead

of ozone mostly the time.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

>

> Have they helped?

>

>

>

> I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

>

>

--

M.D.

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Dear Saul,

Lot of time not talking... hope you are in good health. All here O.K.

Here in Mexicali Mexico (where I have my place of working) the temperature

at the shadow is 145 Fahrenheit degrees, and our place has not the best A/C

in town. Temperature for us is a big factor against the use of saline

solution with ozone, that's the reason to use I.V. directly... in all our

years of working (more than 10 years) with an application of 50 (more or

less) applications every day, included Saturdays and Sundays and application

for free (that's the reason of our lot of patients) we never had have an

embolism due to the I.V. application... remember Saul, this application is

the poor man ozone application, since our patients do not have sufficient

money for the use of a sauna or other complicated equipment (saline, i.v.

equipment for this, non coagulants for blood) Some patients are in so bad

economical shape that sometimes I need to bring them food, shelter and my

money. A needle, a glass syringe and an i.v. equipment (used several times)

is the only investment they do.

Hope this is not too long...

>

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> That is not correct.

>

> The ozone is active for a much longer period of time than that.

>

> If you are ozonating saline, that liquid is viable for several hours.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> > To: oxyplus <oxyplus%40yahoogroups.com>

> > From: dr.atorres@... <dr.atorres%40gmail.com>

> > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:52:18 -0700

> > Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

>

> >

> > The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies

> (your

> > defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

> > month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

> > tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

> > Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

> > reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

> > blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because

> those

> > methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen

> instead

> > of ozone mostly the time.

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield

<edyrayfield@...<edyrayfield%40sbcglobal.net>

> >wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have they helped?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done

> has

> > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have

> done

> > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > M.D.

> >

> >

> >

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My symptoms of oxidative stress tended to mirror the symptoms of the hcv, pallid

complexion, light colored stools, rough skin, general light fatigue, a stressed

appearance., When I began to counter with anti-oxs, all subsided, and now  I use

each as a separate therapy.

 And it is possible that my particular condition is already oxidative stress,

-and the amount I did may not cause that problem in others. I don't hear of

others with the same complaint.

________________________________

To: oxyplus

Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 12:13:45 AM

Subject: RE: re:ozone injections

Dear Arthur,

What were the symptoms of oxidative stress that you experienced?

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

To: oxyplus

From: alquitit@...

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:16:13 -0700

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

 

I tried the direct injections for over a year; during which time I learned that

anti-oxs of all kinds should be addressed.  It could be that direct injections

do " cure " hcv, but there are varied strains of hcv, varied conditions of the

person with hcv, and other factors that might interfere with success. My viral

load got down to 66,000, during those injections, but due to oxidative stress,

my condition was not greatly improved. Also, direct injection, -long term- was

hard on my veins.

I have decided to not try to eradicate the virus, given all of my living

conditions and other factors, even though I believe it could be done if

conditions were ideal.

I am using lactated ringers solution, with o3 bubbled into it,  2 x a week,

sometimes only one. and it is working very well (symtom free) The rest of the

time is spent addressing anti-oxs. My veins recover very well.

________________________________

To: oxyplus

Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 3:52:18 PM

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

The antibodies decrease. but never disappear due that are antibodies (your

defenses against the HC virus) I treat several patients (more that 50 a

month) and all are in very good health and the most important the liver

tests are normal, not cirrhosis or degenerative problems.

Think that ozone revert to oxygen in approximately 15 minutes, that's the

reason to inject DIRECTLY slowly at the vein instead of dilute it in more

blood (obviously with those nasty non coagulants) or in water, because those

methods increase the application time, and you will get only oxygen instead

of ozone mostly the time.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

>

>

> Have they helped?

>

>

>

> I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

> ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

> 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

>

--

M.D.

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I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I would

like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water before we

ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we use about

a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used up. By the

time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body temperature. Does this

mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is self-defeating and if so what

would be a way to do it so that the water would still be body temperature level?

cathy

>

> > >

>

> > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

>

> > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

>

> > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> > M.D.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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I'm not an expert, but I think you are defeating your purpose.  I was told to

do the ozone enemas with as cool of water as was comfortable to retain the

ozone.  Also my colonic practioner told me that cool water will cause the

parastalsys to be more activated in the colon.

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

To: oxyplus

Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 7:29 AM

 

I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I

would like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water

before we ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we

use about a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used

up. By the time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body

temperature. Does this mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is

self-defeating and if so what would be a way to do it so that the water would

still be body temperature level? cathy

>

> > >

>

> > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

>

> > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

>

> > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> > M.D.

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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Dear ,

It is pretty self-defeating.

The only good way to do this is to have an inline system

like the ecolon therapists do, so the ozone is injected just

before the warm water enters the body.

That way you don't lose the ozone to the heat.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

To: oxyplus

From: cahydesmond@...

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:29:20 +0000

Subject: Re: re:ozone injections

I am not sure if this pertains to my ozonated colonics that I do but I would

like to ask a question concerning heat and ozone. We warm up the water before we

ozonated. Then we ozonate the water for close to an hour- We figure we use about

a gallon in the container although not for the colonic is it all used up. By the

time we use it for the colonic it has cooled down to body temperature. Does this

mean that ozonating warm water for my colonic is self-defeating and if so what

would be a way to do it so that the water would still be body temperature level?

cathy

>

> > >

>

> > > I bubble o3 in saline 500ml and let it drip in IV; nothing I've done has

>

> > > ever been more gentle and effective; (40 years with hep c) and I have done

>

> > > 300+ direct injections @50ccs, and all other method as well.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> > M.D.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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Hi Arthur, Saul, I haven't dropped by for awhile, glad to hear from you.

I've been suggesting people should use undenatured whey plus selenium at least

as well as other antioxidant supplements and appropriate foods as the " other

end " of oxidative therapy since 2002, when I could show a " bonded " cysteine

deficiency even in healthy people.

Cysteine is the rate-limiting factor for glutathione production and that

explains why some people who have been unhealthy (or oxidized, and either one

always has a depleted antioxidant pool), get noticeably better results on two

servings of undenatured whey powder (ea. ~30 gm) per day than one (and maybe 400

mcg selenium?). That is, feeling noticeable gains regardless of whether they've

had oxidative therapy.

More whey servings could be used if one wanted to build any lean (recovery?)

tissue back up. PDR lists one whey isolate for anti-cachexia because it is

almost directly assimilated and it's supposed to be. Can you tolerate cow or

goat? Allergy issues are separate but good whey is well tolerated by

milk-sensitive people.

Google " glutathione references " for one of my references pages.

Google " inulin references " " fucoidans references " , " coconut oil references " ,

etc., all top ten even without quotes. Google likes content sites :)

I think probably most of your condition was oxidative stress, and it's hard to

thrive under that condition. IMO this is an important part of the therapy AND of

anti-aging generally.

all good,

Duncan Crow

>

> My symptoms of oxidative stress tended to mirror the symptoms of the hcv,

pallid complexion, light colored stools, rough skin, general light fatigue, a

stressed appearance., When I began to counter with anti-oxs, all subsided, and

now  I use each as a separate therapy.

>

>  And it is possible that my particular condition is already oxidative stress,

-and the amount I did may not cause that problem in others. I don't hear of

others with the same complaint.

>

>

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