My Intro - Nila, Portland, Oregon

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Hello and Namaste,My name is Nila and I'm subscribed with the email address dharmaworker@.... I'm a Reiki Master and Spiritual Counselor/Healer, completing my training in herbology and natural medicine. I also have a degree in psychology and graduate training in counseling. I live in Portland, Oregon and have just sadly found out I cannot buy raw milk here in Oregon since 1999 and not even as pet food as of December of 2006! I might be able to get it in Vancouver, WA which isn't too far away.I'm on the list to see if there are local people who might be able to help me get raw milk, and also to learn the real truth about the risks of drinking it, particularly e-coli and salmonella. Currently, we have switched to drinking nonhomogenized (but pasteurized, although not ultra-pasteurized) Organic Valley whole milk, which seems to be about as close as we can come. I have always been interested in natural health and

have looked into raw milk casually a few times, but recently have completely revamped my diet, managing my recent bout with severe suicidal depression with an organic, mostly whole-foods diet and supplements alone. A month ago, I learned about coconut oil and added that to my diet, and I just read the book Eat Fat, Lose Fat. That's where I got the real urge to look into raw whole milk. I'm defintiely a natural health activist and believe that being your own healer is a necessary and revolutionary act these days.This book wasn't the first place I saw the benefits of raw milk, and my own Guidance has pushed me in that direction for years, telling me to ignore any propaganda and stick with real butter and eggs. Organic, cage-free, of course. I was just never motivated enough to really look into raw milk before. Severe suicidal depression can be quite motivating, however. Once you get out of it just enough to keep

looking for how to feel better, that is.I'm also interested in looking into what it might do for my daughter, Ivy, who is autistic and cannot handle "regular" dairy. My Guidance tells me she might be able to handle raw whole milk. And since she eats barely anything, I'd love to see her give it a try, as I've heard it's a practically perfect food. She'll turn 9 years old in March.Does anyone here have any testimonials on using raw milk with autists?Well, that's me for a start. :-) Thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a part of this list and learn from all of you.Nila

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That's not true Nila!  Email me off-list!  I've got LOTS of resources for local farmers that sell raw milk in the Pdx area!  In Oregon, you CAN sell raw milk if you have a minimum amount of cows and/or goats - but you cannot advertise.  Thus, it is hard to find it sometimes.  You won't find much (two goat dairies that are generally sold out) in sw Washington at all yet, tho' we are pursuing licensing (we applied last August), and hope to be selling in a couple of months.Do email - I've got lots of info for you :-)SummerHello and Namaste,My name is Nila and I'm subscribed with the email address dharmaworker.  I'm a Reiki Master and Spiritual Counselor/Healer, completing my training in herbology and natural medicine.  I also have a degree in psychology and graduate training in counseling.  I live in Portland, Oregon and have just sadly found out I cannot buy raw milk here in Oregon since 1999 and not even as pet food as of December of 2006!  I might be able to get it in Vancouver, WA which isn't too far away.

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Dear Nila:

Sorry to read about the difficulties you are going through. However, you

are on the right path, by looking into the right nutrition to address your and

your daughter’s health issues.

There is too much to cover to address your family’s health issues in a

single e-mail. I suggest you get the advise of a QUALIFIED (Caps for emphasis)

Nutritionist. NOT a Dietician. Also, keep learning all you can about the

subject of nutrition.

Regarding your daughter’s situation. I suggest you get her off ALL FOODS

that contain GLUTEN, and ALL SUGARS. Also make sure she gets some good

Probiotics and Vita-Nutrients. And

yes, you are right, raw milk is the only way to go. Pasteurized and homogenized

milk is actually an Anti-Nutrient, and no one should be consuming it. In the

case of your daughter, only trying raw milk will tell you if she can tolerate

it. If she does not tolerate cow’s milk, you should try goat’s milk (raw, of

course) before giving up on milk.

I have been following the Autism issue for many years, and there is

hope. The latest article of interest I read, you can read here: http://tinyurl.com/3bwygh (Do not forget

to read all the readers’ comments). I take exception with the suggested use of

drugs.

Best wishes.

Johan

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Hello Johan,May I ask why you've been following the autism issue? I have, too, especially the metaphysical causes and implications. And I would like to take her off gluten and sugar, but can see no way to do that right now, as she refuses to consume anything else. Getting her off dairy has been hard enough. :-( That's why I'm really hoping raw milk can be an answer for us, because then she wouldn't need too much else, including the gluten foods.As for getting a nutritionist's input, well, we've heard what they have to say and the research I've done told me more helpful things than they did. I ended up educating them. I have been a student of nutrtition for years myself and have taught several doctors along the way. I may even get certification finally, just to have those letters behind my name. ;-)I'll take a look at that article you linked to. Thank you.

:-)Nila"Johan F. Ploeg" wrote: Dear Nila: Sorry to read about the difficulties you are going through. However, you are on the right path, by looking into the right nutrition to address your and your daughter’s health issues. There is too much to cover to address your family’s health issues in a single e-mail. I suggest you get the advise of a QUALIFIED (Caps for emphasis) Nutritionist. NOT a

Dietician. Also, keep learning all you can about the subject of nutrition. Regarding your daughter’s situation. I suggest you get her off ALL FOODS that contain GLUTEN, and ALL SUGARS. Also make sure she gets some good Probiotics and Vita-Nutrients. And yes, you are right, raw milk is the only way to go. Pasteurized and homogenized milk is actually an Anti-Nutrient, and no one should be consuming it. In the case of your daughter, only trying raw milk will tell you if she can tolerate it. If she does not tolerate cow’s milk, you should try goat’s milk

(raw, of course) before giving up on milk. I have been following the Autism issue for many years, and there is hope. The latest article of interest I read, you can read here: http://tinyurl.com/3bwygh (Do not forget to read all the readers’ comments). I take exception with the suggested use of drugs. Best wishes. Johan

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Hi Nila,

We live in Oregon and the rules here are that you can sell raw milk if you have

2 or under cows or 9 or under goats or sheep. The catch is that you cannot

advertise or deliver. We are licensed to make cheese and make raw milk

aged cheeses. My husband, , is at the Hillsdale market today. We do not

sell raw milk because we have too many animals and it has been alot of work

for us to to get to this point where we are licensed as cheesemakers.

Sometimes you can talk to people at the markets to get leads on farmers in

your area that sell raw milk. Also try asking for leads at Peoples Coop in

Sellwood on Wednesday when they have the Farmers Market outside.

best wishes,

Kathy Obringer

www.ancientheritagedairy.com

>

> Hello and Namaste,

>

> My name is Nila and I'm subscribed with the email address

dharmaworker@... I'm a Reiki Master and Spiritual Counselor/Healer,

completing my training in herbology and natural medicine. I also have a

degree in psychology and graduate training in counseling. I live in Portland,

Oregon and have just sadly found out I cannot buy raw milk here in Oregon

since 1999 and not even as pet food as of December of 2006! I might be able

to get it in Vancouver, WA which isn't too far away.

>

> I'm on the list to see if there are local people who might be able to help me

get raw milk, and also to learn the real truth about the risks of drinking it,

particularly e-coli and salmonella.

>

> Currently, we have switched to drinking nonhomogenized (but pasteurized,

although not ultra-pasteurized) Organic Valley whole milk, which seems to be

about as close as we can come. I have always been interested in natural

health and have looked into raw milk casually a few times, but recently have

completely revamped my diet, managing my recent bout with severe suicidal

depression with an organic, mostly whole-foods diet and supplements alone.

>

> A month ago, I learned about coconut oil and added that to my diet, and I

just read the book Eat Fat, Lose Fat. That's where I got the real urge to look

into raw whole milk. I'm defintiely a natural health activist and believe that

being your own healer is a necessary and revolutionary act these days.

>

> This book wasn't the first place I saw the benefits of raw milk, and my own

Guidance has pushed me in that direction for years, telling me to ignore any

propaganda and stick with real butter and eggs. Organic, cage-free, of

course. I was just never motivated enough to really look into raw milk before.

Severe suicidal depression can be quite motivating, however. Once you get

out of it just enough to keep looking for how to feel better, that is.

>

> I'm also interested in looking into what it might do for my daughter, Ivy, who

is autistic and cannot handle " regular " dairy. My Guidance tells me she might

be able to handle raw whole milk. And since she eats barely anything, I'd

love to see her give it a try, as I've heard it's a practically perfect food.

She'll

turn 9 years old in March.

>

> Does anyone here have any testimonials on using raw milk with autists?

>

> Well, that's me for a start. :-) Thank you for giving me the opportunity to

be a

part of this list and learn from all of you.

>

> Nila

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

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Hi Kathy,I'm sorry to hear you aren't selling the raw milk, but I don't blame you. They certainly make it as hard as they can! Thank you for the lead on the Sellwood Coop. That sounds like something that would be fun to look into. :-)Nilaanheritage wrote: Hi Nila, We live in Oregon and the rules here are that you can sell raw milk if you have 2 or under cows or 9 or under goats or sheep. The catch is that you cannot advertise or deliver. We are licensed

to make cheese and make raw milk aged cheeses. My husband, , is at the Hillsdale market today. We do not sell raw milk because we have too many animals and it has been alot of work for us to to get to this point where we are licensed as cheesemakers. Sometimes you can talk to people at the markets to get leads on farmers in your area that sell raw milk. Also try asking for leads at Peoples Coop in Sellwood on Wednesday when they have the Farmers Market outside. best wishes, Kathy Obringer www.ancientheritagedairy.com > > Hello and Namaste, > > My name is Nila and I'm subscribed with the email address dharmaworker@... I'm a Reiki Master and Spiritual Counselor/Healer, completing my training in herbology and natural medicine. I also

have a degree in psychology and graduate training in counseling. I live in Portland, Oregon and have just sadly found out I cannot buy raw milk here in Oregon since 1999 and not even as pet food as of December of 2006! I might be able to get it in Vancouver, WA which isn't too far away. > > I'm on the list to see if there are local people who might be able to help me get raw milk, and also to learn the real truth about the risks of drinking it, particularly e-coli and salmonella. > > Currently, we have switched to drinking nonhomogenized (but pasteurized, although not ultra-pasteurized) Organic Valley whole milk, which seems to be about as close as we can come. I have always been interested in natural health and have looked into raw milk casually a few times, but recently have completely revamped my diet, managing my recent bout with severe suicidal depression with an organic, mostly

whole-foods diet and supplements alone. > > A month ago, I learned about coconut oil and added that to my diet, and I just read the book Eat Fat, Lose Fat. That's where I got the real urge to look into raw whole milk. I'm defintiely a natural health activist and believe that being your own healer is a necessary and revolutionary act these days. > > This book wasn't the first place I saw the benefits of raw milk, and my own Guidance has pushed me in that direction for years, telling me to ignore any propaganda and stick with real butter and eggs. Organic, cage-free, of course. I was just never motivated enough to really look into raw milk before. Severe suicidal depression can be quite motivating, however. Once you get out of it just enough to keep looking for how to feel better, that is. > > I'm also interested in looking into what it might do for my daughter, Ivy, who is

autistic and cannot handle "regular" dairy. My Guidance tells me she might be able to handle raw whole milk. And since she eats barely anything, I'd love to see her give it a try, as I've heard it's a practically perfect food. She'll turn 9 years old in March. > > Does anyone here have any testimonials on using raw milk with autists? > > Well, that's me for a start. :-) Thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a part of this list and learn from all of you. > > Nila > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. >

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Hello, Nila -

Shari Reyna and her daughter in law Andhi Reyna, who have raised

Alpine dairy goats for decades under the herd name Mt Zion, got their

Grade A dairy permit and licenses to sell raw milk for human

consumption plus pasteurized cheeses a couple months ago. They

have been waiting until most of their 100 does have given birth to start

selling raw fluid milk in March. They have named their dairy business

Fern's Edge Chevre. They are located near Eugene Oregon. As a

licensed Grade A Raw dairy, they will be having their milk tested

monthly for pathogens and their herd has been tested for TB and

brucellosis.

Shari's phone number is ; I know they have some natural

foods stores lined up to sell the raw milk.

They are also working with other dairy goat and cow owners in Oregon

to help them get licensed to sell raw milk.

Enjoy!

Debbie Higgins

Rainhaven Grade A Raw Goat Dairy

Duvall, WA

http://www.rainhaven.com/

rainhavengoatdairy @ hotmail.com

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I'm also interested in looking into what it might do for my daughter,

Ivy, who is autistic and cannot handle " regular " dairy. My Guidance

tells me she might be able to handle raw whole milk. And since she

eats barely anything, I'd love to see her give it a try, as I've heard

it's a practically perfect food. She'll turn 9 years old in March.

Does anyone here have any testimonials on using raw milk with autists?Hi, Nila....I could write pages about how amazing I think raw dairy is for Autism. When we adopted our son, he was 11 months of age. Prior to that, he'd spent his life, imo, being malnourished, first in the womb, then once born, only receiving sugar water and formula. Developmentally, he was only at a 2-3 month-old level. We worked for months to get him to do the usual - rolling over, sitting, crawling, walking. Talking came at about 3 years of age but only a few words, primarily intense screaming with " no " . That, by itself, is pretty " normal " for 2 & 3-year-olds but my son's " no " was accompanied with severe head-banging and self-mutilation. He'd rip huge chunks of flesh out of his face - pinching them out after we cut his nails and he couldn't rake the flesh off his face. He never had a normal bowel movement, in addition to the other issues. When he was able to form sentences well enough to communicate (4 years of age or so) he told us about seeing " sparklie lights " on his ceiling, and " fire climbing up the wall " , as well as being scared to death by seeing people who no one else could see. One friend suggested exorcism. A psychiatrist suggested schizophrenia. A developmental pediatrician dx'd him as PDD-NOS and the school did their own dx (which they can do here in NH, changing the doctor's dx) to Autism. He wanted only " brown foods " (pasta, bread, crackers, cereal) and most of our meal times were spent watching him choking because he'd overstuff his mouth, projectile vomiting across the table, screaming and swiping food off the table....well....you get the general idea. There was all the other usual issues about transitions, inability to generalize, no reciprocal communication, intense sensory issues with clothing, inability to bathe, sounds, sights, smells.....

We tried the GCFC. Pfffft. Too hard to follow, I have serious questions about its ability to deliver good nutrition, but moreso, I felt dairy and grain had good nutritional value that I didn't want to lose. I began to study foods from a historical perspective, having the sense that maybe it wasn't necessarily the dairy/grains that were the issue but instead, how they were prepared. The Maker's Diet basically flew off a shelf one day, while I was out shopping, and hit me in the head. (Not literally, but almost...). We'd already started raw milk at that point - Jerseys. I liked Rubin's recipes and since they were from Nourishing Traditions, picked up a copy of that. All the pieces of the food puzzle fell together for me at that point and we've been following NT ever since. We switched over to raw goat milk. We'd always eaten fairly " healthy " - lots of organic veggies, not that much sugar, etc., but we ended up changing out all our fats (other than olive oil which we'd always used), eating all grass-fed/pasteured meat, and eating only French-style long-rise slow-fermented breads, as well as NT fermented veggies, etc. Within 6-months of making changes, my son self potty-trained which was a HUGE success. The hallucinations, for lack of a better term, completely disappeared. The self-mutilating behavior ceased. His language skills increased, etc. He's now 6 and when friends see him, they all say the same thing - that they can't believe he's the same child. All of them urged me, when he was little, to give him back, to find another home for him, to basically put him away because his behaviors and mannerisms had the appearance of being so abnormal. Now, there are days where he's, for those who don't see more subtle signs and signals, quite " normal " . He's made huge leaps of progress in the past few months, since removing him from public school and using ABA. I'd say making changes in his diet, giving him raw milk products, got us going in the right direction, feeding his brains/muscles with necessary nutrition. It's helped him to maintain in order for me to work with him on behavioral. For a child, a year ago February, who the school claimed couldn't count beyond 20, couldn't write, wasn't able to recognize his alphabet, had intense 45-minute screaming/hitting/biting fits at school (never did that at home longer than a minute....) he's now reading two pages of daily reading lessons, skip counting by 2, 5, 10, counting to 1,000 (building any number I ask him with Math-U-See manipulation blocks), can answer questions correctly after hearing his sister's 5th grade history/geography lesson....well, you get the idea. He's gone from feeling like a curse to a blessing. There's still Those Days, but they're much eaiser to deal with now, especially after seeing such huge changes. He's made HUGE improvements in the last two months with self-regulating his own behavior - stopping himself short of having a meltdown, or just before he'd really like to hit his sister, etc. Since he's gone from being a non-talker to a constant talker, (another issue we're working on) I get to hear his thought processes at work and, of late, they're something like, " Wait...I don't want to do bad to others...I want to do good, so I'm going to stop and go draw a picture.... " . Huge, huge wonderful changes but that's more the ABA work than food.

I can't imagine ever being without our raw goat milk. Our son did okay on Jersey, but it was the raw goat milk that has really seemed to make the difference in him. Mothers of ASD children spend a lot of time comparing bowel movements....his became " normal " in all aspects within a month of drinking raw goat milk. After nearly 5 years of diarrhea and bowel movements that looked alien to human life, that was a wonderful change...... By the way, I'm assuming you're familiar with Nourishing Traditions and the benefit of fermented foods.....I almost put our son on probiotics by Dr. Huston, but when he heard about the variety of ferments we use, he told us to hold off and see what results we were getting - that his probiotics might not be necessary. I was extremely impressed with him being concerned about our son's welfare first and not just making a buck....HTH

Sharon