Re: What do you use for?????/discussion of cae and disease in animals

[Guest guest]

Wow, I think I've lost track of what I'm arguing about. First we were

talking about reasons that pasteurizing milk might be needed, then it

became a discussion of CAE in goats. I think there are really several

issues here that are important to consider.

Probably the most important issue is: do we want to consume raw milk

from animals that have a known disease? (Let's not confine the question

to CAE; what about es, CL, toxoplasmosis, listeria? )I know I don't.

And I sure wouldn't sell the milk to others either. I do not consider

it to be the disease free milk that Ron Schmidt and others call for. CAE

is a virus that affects goats. But it can indirectly affect people.

Besides the HIV thing, people who breed these goats allow them to pass

this disease on to the future generations of goats. That's fine if they

keep themselves to them selves but it's not uncommon for these goats to

be sold to unsuspecting people. Just mention that the animals have CAE a

" virus " and you will see how fast people run away. Try and sell them

honestly and you'll see how hard it is to deal with this. I'm not a

commercial dairy. I simply keep a sustainable herd of goats for their

milk and for the pleasure they bring to us but even so I recognize that

people do not want diseased animals.

CAE is a contagious disease that affects goats. It is easily prevented

through testing and breaking the cycle of disease. Huge numbers of goats

have this disease right now. It's not a thing of the past. Not at all.

We are not handling our disease problems well in the States. Only rarely

is any emphasis being placed on having healthy breeding stock. This is

our private concern as breeders. I believe part of the reasoning behind

NAIS is a recognition of this problem. It's up to us to take care of our

own herds. What I've said goes for any contagious disease. Commercial

dairies should care. They sell culls to private individuals and they

show goats. They should care what is in their milk. The fact that they

don't care is heartless. They don't care about their goats health and

they don't care about the people who are drinking the milk either.

It's difficult to explain all the ins and outs of CAE. Animals can be

positive for the disease and never show a clinical sign. They can be

positive and live to a ripe old age. They can also be positive and pass

the virus around and spread it to other animals who maybe aren't so

resistant to it's effects. It can be passed from goat to goat through a

person too.

A milking animal is much like an athlete. Asking them to milk while

being infected with a disease is like asking an athlete to win a race

while being shackled with chains. They just can't perform up to their

genetic potential that way.

*~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~*

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" Laudo Deum " Farm

kinderfolk_n_liddlebuds@...

Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats

for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and

families with young children.

(And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)

[Guest guest]

<It can be passed from goat to goat through a

person too.>

By this I meant if an infected goat is handled and then a person pets a

non-infected goat it can be passed this way. Or as show folks told me

that if a judge handles the udder of a goat, gets milk on her hands,

then it can be passed to the goat next in line.

*~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~*

@

" Laudo Deum " Farm

kinderfolk_n_liddlebuds@...

Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats

for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and

families with young children.

(And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)

[Guest guest]

es in cattle has cleared up when farms convert from high grain

lots of haylage to pasture low grain and hay. I've never had it, but

Doc Detloff (organic vet with Organic Valley) has noticed herds that

were full of es are now problem free as they got to a more natural

diet. It is a symtom of improper management. Kind of like e-coli -

always there, causes big problems when bovines are fed lots of grain.

A cow that had Foot and mouth will test positive afterwards. She is

then resistant to it. The test says positive so kill her!! Does that

make sense?

This is why proper diet, nutrient dense food, is so important. There

are usually better solutions than what modern ag promotes as they have

no idea to start with and much of what they promote actually causes

the problems. Feed kelp so the animal can have plant based colloidal

minerals they can actually digest and utilize. Improve the soil so the

plants/weeds have the nutrients necessary for optimum health.

I don't promote sitting still if you have a problem. Figure out the

solution. Tests aren't the final answer. The es test is wrong much

of the time. Should a farmer cull every cow that the test says is

positive. I think not! If they have es it makes more sense to

change the diet, minerals, conditions rather than trying to play the

bandaide game.

Anyone wanting more ideas on the importance of minerals and their

effect on disease should read Mark Purdey's article on TB

WWW.markpurdey.com

Cheyenne

> Probably the most important issue is: do we want to consume raw milk

> from animals that have a known disease? (Let's not confine the question

> to CAE; what about es, CL, toxoplasmosis, listeria? )I know I

don't.