Re: Re: What do you use for?????

[Guest guest]

Remember when you pasturize milk you then have a sterile place where bad bacteria will proliferate. You have killed all the good stuff and there is nothing to keep it from going bad. Just some things to consider. If you are not comfortable with your raw milk, think about what you can do so that you can be comfortable. Once you get into a routine you will finid that it is not so scary!!!

Rhonda

Re: What do you use for?????

Why would one ever pasteurize healthy, grassfed raw milk? D.moderator>> For those of you that pasterize your milk (i'm going to pasterize SOME of mine) how do you go about doing it? I know it needs to get to 165 degrees for 30 seconds but I was reading not to do it directly in the pot because of scoorching. Do you just use a double boiler type system? > > How long does it take for the milk to get to 165 degrees, approx. > > > ~ a ~> www.farmgirlhaven.com> www.homesteadblogger.com/MyFarmgirlHaven/> http://my.tupperware.com/ROBERTA67>

[Guest guest]

Not if it causes someone to become ill because the milk happened to be tainted with bacteria somewhere down the milking process line. I can practice perfect milking procedure but the truth is that things happen. It even happens with the nasty store bought milk that is treated beyond the point of even being called milk in my book.

a

Re: What do you use for?????

First answer that comes to my mind is that the animals are not healthy.Belinda>> Why would one ever pasteurize healthy, grassfed raw milk?> D.> moderator> >

[Guest guest]

Your post gives you away that you did not read much about raw milk. The studies were made when they inoculated raw milk with harmful bacteria and left it for 24 hours. After this time, there was no sigh of pathogenic bacteria. Beneficial bacteria took care of the villains. On the other hand, people are getting sick from your "safe", pasteurized milk.

Barbara

Well, I have several friends that are interested in getting milk from me, for various uses. I don't want to take the chance on giving them Raw milk. I just feel better taking the precaution when it's someone elses health on the line. I'm aware of all the benefits of Raw Dairy, I currently use raw cow milk that I get form a Farmer and have used it for years.

a

[Guest guest]

Rhonda ~ I appreciate your kind and considerate input. This is all new to me and I'm just a little scared about the whole thing to be honest. I know what I've read and it all makes sense to me, etc. I'm just a child of the processing era and old habits are hard to break.

One of the reasons I am on this list though is to learn and become educated so I appreciate the kindness in your replies.

a

Re: What do you use for?????

Why would one ever pasteurize healthy, grassfed raw milk? D.moderator>> For those of you that pasterize your milk (i'm going to pasterize SOME of mine) how do you go about doing it? I know it needs to get to 165 degrees for 30 seconds but I was reading not to do it directly in the pot because of scoorching. Do you just use a double boiler type system? > > How long does it take for the milk to get to 165 degrees, approx. > > > ~ a ~> www.farmgirlhaven.com> www.homesteadblogger.com/MyFarmgirlHaven/> http://my.tupperware.com/ROBERTA67>

[Guest guest]

Jo, I believe you've somehow been misinformed about HIV testing. CAE does

not cause a false-positive HIV test. Different test medium, different virus,

take it from an old lab tech. Can't happen.

Just wanted to make sure that was clear so that people wouldn't be

unnecessarily frightened. If I drink milk from a goat who has CAE, it will

in no way affect me. I am a homosapiens, and CAE affects the caprine

species. HIV infects primates, of which I am one.

You or I may choose to test our animals for any number of diseases, or a

person may choose not to and still feel that the animals are healthy, the

milk is nutritious and safe. As long as a person informs themselves of the

diseases or conditions that may cause human illness, it's up to them to

decide how to handle it. Depends on the person's point of view. Relax. We're

not all the same. It's OK to have your opinion, and I very much appreciate

your taking time to share. It isn't necessary to impose your methods on

someone new, and you probably don't mean it that way. It just " reads " that

way.

in TN

[Guest guest]

I have to wonder how many of you actually read the research about these

things. Here: http://www.cornerstonefarm.net/gtcareof.html#caeq & a

How about reading ALL of this info and then coming back politely to talk

about it?

I have also learned from people who have had CAE in their herds. Try and

learn from people who have the disease in their herds and who try to

deal with it, instead of those who ignore it.

If you want to read some more about how CAE causes a cross reaction in

humans go to Dairy Goat Journal and read the articles there. And on the

internet.

And do your own research-don't except my word alone. Why are you waiting

to be spoonfed information?

If you want to keep yourself in ignorance, that's fine. It's your

choice. But I can certainly choose to give a tip to somebody else,

right? ( oh, I love your language- I'm " imposing " my view on others...)

*~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~*

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