Re: Tast Difference in Milk / Different Breeds??

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Sheila and all:How about the taste of the milk. My son used to love LaManchamilk but he did not care for Toggenburg milk. I just used the LaMancha milk for the table. We never worried about testing ourherd for TB as we were told that up until that time there was noknow case of TB in Goats. Is that still the case? I beleive it wasUngulant Fever, (spelled very wrong I am sure), that the concernfor pasturization spark in this case. We drank pasturized at firstand then went for just raw. My family never knew the difference.My family did not like the taste of the storebought after the goatsdried up. (We had goats in California in the early 80's.)Any ideas of how to can the milk for a rainy day? Now I just drink alittle milk with my coffee. I can buy a container for a week at a cost of about a dollar. But, here milk is irratieted, or Xrayed, (again

spelledwrong I am sure), almost all milk is Xray to preserve it, sometimg you would never see in the USA.Any thought?Again, Thank you for the kind and timely reply..JJPhilippines{Mrs. , I did not delete Sheila's message, using it as a refrence - JJ}Sheila Willhoite wrote: I can't talk to the dwarfs...but as farm as I am concerned Nubians make the richest milk because of their high butterfat content...which also makes them the best for more cheese per pound of

milk. LaMancha's come in second then Saanens...as far as I know, Someone please correct me if I am wrong or if they have a different opinion :-) Sheila

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I have tasted about every breed of goat's milk, including Boer,

and just plain old brush goats, and even Pygmy... no difference I

ever detected as to breed. But, I have noted differences in

individuals as to time of year, stage of lactation, etc.....

And, some goats just plain have 'goaty' tasting milk. Your

mention of the Togg brings that to mind. Because cheesemaking was

the end aim for hundreds of years of dairying for the Togg keepers,

there was more of an emphasis on taste of cheese rather than taste of

fresh milk. So, some of the Toggs can be a bit 'strong' on the taste

of the milk. This can run in family lines, too.

Before you buy a goat, you really need to put it on the

milkstand, milk it out and take that milk (hopefull at least a half

gallon!) chill within 15 minutes to just above 32*F and over the next

week, sample it! It should stay as sweet as the day as harvested.

Some don't understand that the butterfat amount a doe makes

pretty much stay the same over the course of her lactation. But, the

amount of milk does go up and down. So, when she is giving a high

volume of milk, her butterfat is more diluted than when she is giving

a lower amount of milk.

Donna

Safehaven Nubians

Dandridge, TN

> I can't talk to the dwarfs...but as farm as I am concerned Nubians

make the richest milk because of their high butterfat content...which

also makes them the best for more cheese per pound of milk.

LaMancha's come in second then Saanens...as far as I know, Someone

please correct me if I am wrong or if they have a different opinion :-

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Nigerian Dwarfs, Pygmy's and Kinder's all have higher fat than Nubians.

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Dwarfs have the sweetest milk with higher butterfat and the highest

protein of all dairy goat breeds. That is why they produce more pounds

of cheese per pound of milk. They also produce more pounds of milk per

pound of bodyweight. While they are 1/3 the size of a full-size dairy

goat, it only takes 2.5 of them to produce the same amount of milk.

Plus they are extremely friendly, come in a variety of colors, breed

year-round and are often bred every 9 months, and generally have 3-4

kids. They are born at @ 2lbs each and grow to @ 75 lbs. Tallest

allowed is 21 " does or 23 " bucks.

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> I can't talk to the dwarfs...but as farm as I am concerned Nubians

make the richest milk because of their high butterfat content...which

also makes them the best for more cheese per pound of milk. LaMancha's

come in second then Saanens...as far as I know, Someone please correct

me if I am wrong or if they have a different opinion :-)

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> Sheila

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Here in the Philippines our goats come in heat year around. Iunderstand that the dwarf breeds also come into heat year around.Is that the experience of those there in the USA? Do the dwarfs produce enough milk for the kids plus some for the table? How much extra can they produce? Here goats are basically a ''self help'' deal. That means theyare poorly fed and fend for themselves for the most part.Our gardener let our two doelings dies this summer. He nevereven spoke to us about either being the least bit sick. Goatsare way down on the animal chain... as far as status goes.I would love to get two does, or a good producing doe and a kidthat will produce a little milk and save the milk for cheese, whatmilk I did not use for coffee.Anyone near Houston, Texas have a few dwarfs that they would like to see for a reasonable price. We will be back in Decemberand could take delivery

after the first of the year. We would thenprobably bring two healthy females and a male to the islands, or perhaps breed two females and bring them to the islands.How many kids does the average does give birth too. Thanks again for your post and looking for more information.JJPhilippinesCharity wrote: Dwarfs have the sweetest milk with higher butterfat and the highest protein of all dairy goat breeds. That is why they produce more pounds of cheese per

pound of milk. They also produce more pounds of milk per pound of bodyweight. While they are 1/3 the size of a full-size dairy goat, it only takes 2.5 of them to produce the same amount of milk. Plus they are extremely friendly, come in a variety of colors, breed year-round and are often bred every 9 months, and generally have 3-4 kids. They are born at @ 2lbs each and grow to @ 75 lbs. Tallest allowed is 21" does or 23" bucks. . [Message trimmed at your request Mrs. - JJ]

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One more question, if the dwarfs breed back in 9 months, how long is the lactation period?JJC

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Hello:I know a little about Dwarfs, can you tell me anything about pygmy's andkinders. I have not heard about kinders.Jo wrote: Nigerian Dwarfs, Pygmy's and Kinder's all have higher fat than Nubians. [message trimmed at the request of Mrs. - JJ]

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Donna:Thank you for your informative post.I do know we must have had Togs that we from that ''strong''family that you discribe. We had the same milking conditions and same bucket ect. We strained the milk right after extractingthe milk by hand. We used a strainer with a milk filter, simular toa coffee filter. We used a seamless and stainless milk bucket with alid. The Lamanchas had it all over the togs on taste. But our togscame from the Carmelita herd in woodland hills ca. Sue Thie wasthe owner and very helpful in getting me started. She even bred thefirst two does I had. She then sold me a high quality buck at almostgiveaway prices. But that is another post. One of our togs did well over 20 pounds when she freshened as a two year old. The others in the herd did 8 to 10 at best. The 20 pounder had the best tasting milk of the togs...but

even that was a bit strong on day three or more. I drank it thefirst two day. We kept milk in gallon glass jars with screw on lids.We got these from the bakery at the base. Twentyfive cents if I rememberright. The women manager gave me two free at first. We ended up withup to 20 full before we made cheese. We then finally gave the milk tothe pigs and chickens as we had so much the family started to complain.The the farmer who had a Jersey cow for family milk, I had a favorite Lamancha for family milk. Her milk would stay sweet for almost 5 or 6 days,by then it was gone or replaced.Thanks again for your post.Our Tickle, the 20 # I spoke of was a star milker, but she would never do a thing in the show ring, too too toooooo thin. We had a hard timedrying her off. The other togs and the lamanchas would do much betterin the show ring. So what did we want... good looks

or lots of milk...we sold the goats just as I move duty stations, and the new owner kepta buck our of Tickle to bust up the Tog perduction in his herd. The doesdid great in the production department, but were not the most to look at.I am not sure if the manager made the best choice or not. I would havetried for good looks and high production, but he had over 1000 goatsand needed production. I do not think he was ever at a goat show.JJ"Donna R. Myers-Raybon" wrote: I have tasted about every breed of goat's milk, including Boer, and just plain old brush goats, and even Pygmy... no difference I ever detected as to breed. But, I have noted differences in individuals as to time of year, stage of lactation, etc..... And, some goats just plain have 'goaty' tasting milk. Your mention of the Togg brings that to mind. Because cheesemaking was the end aim for hundreds of years of dairying for the Togg keepers, there was more of an emphasis on taste of cheese rather than taste of fresh milk. So, some of the Toggs can be a bit 'strong' on the taste of the milk. This can run in family lines, too. Before you buy a goat, you really need to put it on the milkstand, milk it out and take that milk (hopefull at least a half gallon!) chill within 15 minutes to just above 32*F and over the next week, sample it! It should stay as sweet as the day as harvested. Some don't understand that the butterfat amount a doe makes pretty much stay the same over the course of her lactation. But, the amount of milk does go up and down. So, when she is giving a high volume of milk, her butterfat is more diluted than when she is giving a lower amount of milk. Donna Safehaven Nubians Dandridge, TN -. [Message trimmed at the request of Mrs. - JJ]

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That's right in my expirience. I started with nubians for exactly

that reason (high butterfat) but soon switched to lamanchas for

several reasons:

1. Higher milk production. In the case of cheesemaking, you will get

more cheese per goat per day from a lamancha because the increased

amount of milk will far more than offset the very slightly lower

butterfat.

2. Nubians are lousey mothers. If you miss the birthing of a kid

(middle of night or whatever) you will probably discover a dead kid or

two when you go out later. Lamanchas are excellent moms.

3. Nubians are delicate and need FAR more care than lamanchas.

Lamanchas are " thrifty " and " easy keepers " ...generally healthier,

lower overall vet bills, etc.

4. They are cute and interesting looking since they have no ears. I

like teasing folks who have never seen one before when they see mine.

They always ask, " What happened to their ears? " I always tell them

that I dock their ears like you dock the tails of some breeds of

dogs...it usually takes them a few seconds to figure out I'm pulling

their leg...LOL.

Bob

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> I can't talk to the dwarfs...but as farm as I am concerned Nubians

make the richest milk because of their high butterfat content...which

also makes them the best for more cheese per pound of milk.

LaMancha's come in second then Saanens...as far as I know, Someone

please correct me if I am wrong or if they have a different opinion :-)

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> Sheila

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Bob,I just had the Lamanchas two years and had the generation that went from American Purebred to Purebred. Finding a good but was a little hardedthan with the togs. The Lamanches gave me two each time, and both gavetwins and only one out of the four was a buck. But I did use vinegar in thewater to hopefully give me more does. The Lamanches were excellent mothers and had a wonderful personality.They also had pretty good utters too.The old LaMancha, Midnight, was given to me as she had a necroticbag. She never gave much milk, maybe 7 or 8 pound at best, but thedaughterd did that the first freshening. We parted with the does just after they freshened a second time, if I remember right. Thanks again for the post and them many happy memories it created.JJBob Hayles wrote: That's right in my expirience. I started with nubians for exactly that reason (high butterfat) but soon switched to lamanchas for several reasons: 1. Higher milk production. In the case of cheesemaking, you will get more cheese per goat per day from a lamancha because the increased amount of milk will far more than offset the very slightly lower butterfat. 2. Nubians are lousey mothers. If you miss the birthing of a kid (middle of night or whatever) you will probably discover a dead kid or two when you go out later. Lamanchas are excellent moms. 3. Nubians are delicate and need FAR

more care than lamanchas. Lamanchas are "thrifty" and "easy keepers"...generally healthier, lower overall vet bills, etc. 4. They are cute and interesting looking since they have no ears. I like teasing folks who have never seen one before when they see mine. They always ask, "What happened to their ears?" I always tell them that I dock their ears like you dock the tails of some breeds of dogs...it usually takes them a few seconds to figure out I'm pulling their leg...LOL. Bob . {this post trimmed at the request of Mrs. -- JJ]

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Sheila,I have never had nubians. I have only reallyhad experience with Toggenburgs and LaManchas.I understand that the milk of nubians is great.I went to buy one once and the fellow sellingit refused to sell.She had four kids a few days later, and seemed to be a good milker.JJSheila Willhoite wrote: You must of had better LaManchas and worse Nubians than mine...lol.. Because my Nubians can out do my LaManchas in milking (yes even being

steady) any day. The only this that I am not sure of yet is the kidding. I hope ours are better mothers, so far they have been great. And my LaMancha's seem stuck up, while my Nubians want alot of loving :-) Only one LaMancha really wants loving..the other two just tolerate me ) Sheilasamanka farm <samanka_farm.ph> wrote: Bob,I just had the Lamanchas two years and had the generation that went from American Purebred to Purebred. Finding a good but was a little hardedthan with the togs. The Lamanches gave me two each time, and both gavetwins and only one out of the four was a buck. But I did use vinegar in thewater to hopefully give me more does. .

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It all depends on the lines you have as in any other type of animal

(dare I say people too??<grin>). I love my Lamanchas and my

Nubians, but if I was going to go with one breed, it would be

Lamanchas.

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Boers, Nubians, Lamanchas and Alpines

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> I just had the Lamanchas two years and had the generation that

went from American Purebred to Purebred. Finding a good but was a

little harded

> than with the togs. The Lamanches gave me two each time, and both

gave

> twins and only one out of the four was a buck. But I did use

vinegar in the

> water to hopefully give me more does.

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