Re: Making Soap

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We have spent the last four week getting clay bricks made and then having the bricks dried and kiln fired and then put into a brick liner. We then encased that brick liner in about 8 inches of cement. We havearches in the ft. and rear of the oven. We put an ash hole in the hearth to catch ashes from the buring wood. We also plan to experimentwith using rice hulls in the oven as an alternative source of fuel. Raw Dairy, you ask... what does ovens have to do with raw dairy. We hope to remove the ashes and then make lye. We have instructions on an ash hopper and making the hopper does not seem to be much beyondwhat a local carpenter and mason that build the oven, could muster. We feelshowing him the hopper he should be able to duplicate the hopper. We can then use the water collected from the ashes to boil down the drippings and make lye. We understand the lye is ready when an

egg floats.Our question:Has anyone used milk to make soap. We can get goats milk and also carabaumilk and make it into soap. We may be able to find and obtain a cow and then have cows milk. Suggestions?We understand that the longer the soap cures the harder it gets and the better it is for bathing. I am sure that after a point, the curing process finishes and thatif the soap were kept until the time of the Revolation, the bathing quality would not improve.We have not made lye yet. We have not made any soap. We have made cheese and do plan to make more cheese and use the watery part for ricattaas we have obtained citric acid. We are just waiting for a large enough quanityof whey to make the ricatta. We have made questro blanco and mozzarellaback in the old country, (the USA), but have not made ricatta here. We have not made a good cheddar there so will not attempt to make cheddar

here either.Suggestions from the group?JJPhilippines

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There are several books you can get to research the soap project. Also

online go to fiascofarms.com and look at her links. She has some links

that explain how to make soap using the old time methods. I hope that

will help you.

Have you heard of the Heifer International project? I believe the try to

get cows and goats for people in poor areas. Sounds something like you

are doing.

Sounds like you are going to have a big project ahead of you. Not just

getting the goats but also educating people about their health and

breeding. A Nubian Buck from the best producing line you could get

would help. Not sure, but it might work better if you got a good buck

and used it over the native does.

*~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~*

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Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats

for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and

families with young children.

(And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)

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Hello:Thank you for your encouraging post. We are not sure if we will be able to use the ashes of the softer (non-hardwood) items that we plan to burn. We know that the hardwoods will be fine forashes, but we may have to sort the hardwood ashes for the other things that are burned, such as coconut shells and coconuthusks, rice hulls and the rest.We understand that the soap is cut with a string attached to twosmall dowels and that the soap is cut when it is still soft. When we made the clay bricks we used a string to cut the top of theclay. The problem with the clay was that the bricks were the samesize starting out, but dried and shrank at slightly differnt rates, makingslightly different size bricks. We did manage to go slow and theeldery mason was very patient. At $4 a day I could afford him togo slow and with an extra days pay he did not mind going slow either.We understand

the mixing of the milk and the lye and the needfor caution. We may try commercial lye the first time we make soap. Then wecan try to make our own lye on the second go around.We will probably use goats milk, so getting homogenizedmilk should not be a problem. I think that carabau milk settles out just like cows milk. By the way there are twotypes of water buffalo or carabau, one for milk and one fordraft. The draft animal does not do too well in the milk department, but the milking carabau does make a prettygood draft animal. Here in the Philippines there are twocarabau for every cow. The carabao are used for beefthroughout the country. Showing the natives here how to make soap will be onestep closer to self suffiency. Thanks again for your encouraging and informative post.JJPhilippinesTramar Farms

wrote:  jj my in-laws have made milk soap with great success! yes the longer it sets the harder it gets. i don't have my book here but i believe it should set for six to eight weeks. we put it on paper to cure. i believe you have to be careful when you combine the milk mixture with the lye mixture so the lye doesn't scorch the milk. also, the milk has to be homogenized when using cows milk. goat milk is naturally homogenized so that

step can be eliminated there. don't know much about caribou milk. after the soap is made i think it has to set for 24 hours or so (i don't have my book so i'm going from memory!!??) at the one class i took, we just wrapped it up in a heavy blanket to set. Re: Making Soap We have spent the last four week getting clay bricks made and

then having the bricks dried and kiln fired and then put into a brick liner. We then encased that brick liner in about 8 inches of cement. We havearches in the ft. and rear of the oven. We put an ash hole in the hearth to catch ashes from the buring wood. We also plan to experimentwith using rice hulls in the oven as an alternative source of fuel. Raw Dairy, you ask... what does ovens have to do with raw dairy. We hope to remove the ashes and then make lye. We have instructions on an ash hopper and making the hopper does not seem to be much beyondwhat a local carpenter and mason that build the oven, could muster. We feelshowing him the hopper he should be able to duplicate the hopper. We can then use the water collected from the ashes to boil down the drippings and make lye. We understand the lye is r! eady when an egg floats.Our

question:Has anyone used milk to make soap. We can get goats milk and also carabaumilk and make it into soap. We may be able to find and obtain a cow and then have cows milk. Suggestions?We understand that the longer the soap cures the harder it gets and the better it is for bathing. I am sure that after a point, the curing process finishes and thatif the soap were kept until the time of the Revolation, the bathing quality would not improve.We have not made lye yet. We have not made any soap. We have made cheese and do plan to make more cheese and use the watery part for ricattaas we have obtained citric acid. We are just waiting for a large enough quanityof whey to make the ricatta. We have made questro blanco and mozzarellaback in the old country, (the USA), but have not made ricatta here. We have not made a good cheddar there so will not attempt to make cheddar here either.Suggestions from the group?JJPhilippines What is the internet to you?Contribute to the Yahoo! Time Capsule and be a part of internet history. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.13/500 - Release Date: 10/26/2006

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Hi JJ, I've been making goat milk soap for several months now. Yes, you do have to be careful adding the lye to the soap. A few hints: Make sure the milk is very cold, maybe even "slushy" partially frozen, and SPRINKLE the lye in while stirring. The milk will turn a weird orange color, just stir it once in a while, that's supposed to happen. The milk I use is raw. I don't believe in pastuerizing the goodness out of it! There is a goat milk soap group on yahoo that's very informative. I think you'll like making soap...it's fun and a lot better for your skin. Glenda Don & Glenda The Blunderosa - Quality AQHA Racebred Horses, ASCA Reg. Australian Shepherds,

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my in-laws have made milk soap with great success! yes the longer it sets the harder it gets. i don't have my book here but i believe it should set for six to eight weeks. we put it on paper to cure. i believe you have to be careful when you combine the milk mixture with the lye mixture so the lye doesn't scorch the milk. also, the milk has to be homogenized when using cows milk. goat milk is naturally homogenized so that step can be eliminated there. don't know much about caribou milk. after the soap is made i think it has to set for 24 hours or so (i don't have my book so i'm going from memory!!??) at the one class i took, we just wrapped it up in a heavy blanket to set.

Re: Making Soap

We have spent the last four week getting clay bricks made and then having the bricks dried and kiln fired and then put into a brick liner. We then encased that brick liner in about 8 inches of cement. We havearches in the ft. and rear of the oven. We put an ash hole in the hearth to catch ashes from the buring wood. We also plan to experimentwith using rice hulls in the oven as an alternative source of fuel. Raw Dairy, you ask... what does ovens have to do with raw dairy. We hope to remove the ashes and then make lye. We have instructions on an ash hopper and making the hopper does not seem to be much beyondwhat a local carpenter and mason that build the oven, could muster. We feelshowing him the hopper he should be able to duplicate the hopper. We can then use the water collected from the ashes to boil down the drippings and make lye. We understand the lye is r! eady when an egg floats.Our question:Has anyone used milk to make soap. We can get goats milk and also carabaumilk and make it into soap. We may be able to find and obtain a cow and then have cows milk. Suggestions?We understand that the longer the soap cures the harder it gets and the better it is for bathing. I am sure that after a point, the curing process finishes and thatif the soap were kept until the time of the Revolation, the bathing quality would not improve.We have not made lye yet. We have not made any soap. We have made cheese and do plan to make more cheese and use the watery part for ricattaas we have obtained citric acid. We are just waiting for a large enough quanityof whey to make the ricatta. We have made questro blanco and mozzarellaback in the old country, (the USA), but have not made ricatta here. We have not made a good cheddar there so will not attempt to make cheddar here either.Suggestions from the group?JJPhilippines

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Jo:Thanks for your post. I gave to Heifer International for many years.I directed part of my community chest donations to go to them.I will check out the links that you mentioned. Getting books hereis tough and the customs kill us as well as the postage. We do havea fair size library that we aquired from a company that sells discontinuedbooks on CD. That seemed to work well, but not we are finding topicsthat are not covered by the disks. I was told tonight on a dairy goat confrence or perhaps it was this one, that Nubians would not be the way to go but Lamanchas would be. I am begining to think thatthe smaller breeds like nigerian dwarf may also be the way to go. Nubians are available from Australia. I am wondering if they kid aseasy and have as much milk as other breds. We are after milk and cheeseat the lowest possible cost.The link you pointed out

will save me about $80 to 100 on a cheesepress. Now if I can just find the weights. Thanks again.Thanks again for the post, most espically the links.JJ Jo wrote: There are several books you can get to research the soap project. Also online go to fiascofarms.com and look at her links. She has some links that explain how to make soap using the old time methods. I hope that will help you. Have you heard of the Heifer International project? I

believe the try to get cows and goats for people in poor areas. Sounds something like you are doing. Sounds like you are going to have a big project ahead of you. Not just getting the goats but also educating people about their health and breeding. A Nubian Buck from the best producing line you could get would help. Not sure, but it might work better if you got a good buck and used it over the native does. *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* @ "Laudo Deum" Farm kinderfolk_n_liddlebudscharter (DOT) net Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and families with young children. (And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)

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Jo:I want to thank you again for the excellent link of fiascofarm.com.Their website is just loaded with recipes for making lots of thing, bread,cheese and other from scratch items...The stories are great, and folks on this site would love the site as mama Fiasco used raw goat milk in most of here recipes.She repeats herself, so that if you did not read another recipe, you can still make the one you are reading. (A good lesson for the cookbook that I am currently writing). Jo, thanks again,,,, I bookmarked several of their websited.Warmest regards....JJJo wrote: There are several books you can get to research the soap project. Also online go to fiascofarms.com and look at her links. She has some links that explain how to make soap using the old time methods. I hope that will help you. Have you heard of the Heifer International project? I believe the try to get cows and goats for people in poor areas. Sounds something like you are doing. Sounds like you are going to have a big project ahead of you. Not just getting the goats but also educating people about their health and breeding. A Nubian Buck from the best producing line you could get would help. Not sure, but it might work better if you got a good buck and used it over the native does. *~*~* Jo & Pete *~*~* @ "Laudo Deum" Farm kinderfolk_n_liddlebudscharter (DOT) net Raising quality Kinder and Nigerian Dwarf goats for small acreage farmers, homesteaders and families with young children. (And producing natural soaps for humans and animals.)

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I have been wanting to make soap using my cow's milk. Every recipe I find using

milk calls

for powdered milk. Now I read here that if you are using cow's milk it has to

be

homogenized. So is it impossible for me to use my own raw, unhomogenized cow's

milk to

make soap?

I am new and I really am enjoying being part of this group!

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hi

I don't have my milk soap book at home, but i think the way you can homogenize the cows milk is by freezing it. don't remember for how long tho. the soap my dad in law used was great. My mom in law has also made her own laundry soap that she loves. with the canning season and now crop harvest she hasn't had time to make it.

if you go to amazon.com and on the first page on the left side bar click on 'books'. then when new screen comes up you can type in 'milk soap making' (this is what i used.) several books will come up, the name of the book is milk-based soaps: making natural, skin nourishing soap by casey makel. (this was the first book) this is the one we have used. It made great soap. to use amazon you have to be registered and have a pay pal acct. the book there was $10.75 new and for used it was $5.75 +. we originally got our book from www.acresusa.com which is an eco-publication we get (Acres USA). interesting reading. can send for a free copy. but every year they put out a book catalog,

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Re: Making Soap

I have been wanting to make soap using my cow's milk. Every recipe I find using milk calls for powdered milk. Now I read here that if you are using cow's milk it has to be homogenized. So is it impossible for me to use my own raw, unhomogenized cow's milk to make soap?I am new and I really am enjoying being part of this group!

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What do you mean ''heated the oils until just melted and then added the frozen and stirred until trace"?Than you for the information...JJPhilippinesRena wrote: I have used raw goat milk, homogenized cow milk and raw cow milk to make soap. I used the method of freezing the milk first. I heated the oils until just melted and then added the frozen milk and stirred until trace. Rena

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Hello Glenda and all:Could you forward a link to the soapmaking yahoo group?Thanks in advance.Just forwarding me a message from the group will probablyalso work.Thank you in advance!JJGlenda wrote: Hi JJ, I've been making goat milk soap for several months now. Yes, you do have to be careful adding the lye to the soap. A few hints: Make sure the milk is very cold, maybe even "slushy" partially frozen, and SPRINKLE the lye in while

stirring. The milk will turn a weird orange color, just stir it once in a while, that's supposed to happen. The milk I use is raw. I don't believe in pastuerizing the goodness out of it! There is a goat milk soap group on yahoo that's very informative. I think you'll like making soap...it's fun and a lot better for your skin. Glenda Don & Glenda The Blunderosa - Quality AQHA Racebred Horses, ASCA Reg. Australian Shepherds, AGS Registered Nigerian Dwarf Goats, and Equine Art Gallery. Visit us at www.geocities.com/runninghorses2003/Blunderosa.html Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

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