Butterfat

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For those of you that like the high butterfat milks -- Something I

learned this week, is that Milking Devons (cattle) have just as high

of a butterfat content (4%) as Jerseys. Milking Devons are a true

triple purpose cattle (milk, excellent meat and a good work ox) and

do excellent on just pasture and/or grass hay -- unless it is the

dead of winter in Wisconsin in which case they need 5-10 lbs of grain

a day.

Now yu all know my favorite Dairy Goat (Nigerian Dwarf) and my

favorite all-purpose cow.

samanka farm wrote:

I agree with Charity on this one. Also, you may not be used to the

taste of whole milk. If it has been a week since the cow freshened,

I doubt if you have cholestrum in the jar. If the taste is good, go

for the gusto and enjoy the blessing of the cow the way mother nature

intended. You may want to try whipping some of the cream from the

next jar. Cold cream, cold beaters and let it whip. Then ad a tad of

vanilla. Then add sugar to taste and serve on warm cake that has not

been frosted. Get ready for you waste line to expand unless you cut

back somewhere else. My mothe hated that Jersey for the extra pounds

on her hips, The Ayrshires were just as bad but Jersey milk is easy

to seperate and the cream is easy to whip.

JJ

Charity wrote:

Perhaps due to the higher buttffat content of Jersey milk?

" Sally Holdener " <sholdener@> wrote:

I got a gallon of milk that our new farmers had bucket milked from

our cowshare's first two fresh Jersey cows on Monday night. Our

cowshare hasn't started shareholder pickups yet, so she gave me a

gallon, right after milking and straining. The jar was still warm

and I put it in an icewater bath 10 minutes later when I got home.

The next morning when I tried it, the cream on top was the darkest

yellow I'd seen from our cows. One had only freshened a week ago so

maybe there was still some cholestrum in it? Anyway, I shook it up,

and poured a glass, and it was really delicious. My picky eater 10

year old son loved it and asked for seconds at every meal this week.

The only weird thing was that it seemed to have a slightly " chalky "

mouth feel, like on the roof of my mouth and tongue afterward. I'm

puzzled by this. I don't taste any weird flavors or anything. Anyone

else experience something like this or have any ideas what it might

be?

Sally

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Christi:How do the Devons stack up with Milking Shorthorns and Ayrshiresin the butterfat catagory? I do not believe I have seen one except several well trained teams of steers or oxen in NY and NH or Vermont.I first heard the term "off ox'' from the folks in stown, wherethere was a pair and they both of them had horns and some metal tips on the horns. I do not even know what the metal tips are called.How much milk with a Devon give on just hay and some grass alone?How much will they give if they are pushed a little bit with grain? We used to raise Ayrshires and there was a man with a nice pairof Ayrshire oxen that he used to have in parades. He also had a horse and buggy, but he also had the top herd of Ayrshires for 50to 75 cows for 4 years in a row. He got the French Trophy four yearsin a row. He beat other herds out by a thousand or more pounds ofmilk and quite a bit on

butterfat. He used to also have several bulls of his breeding in the NYABC. I am not sure what the AI breedingcompany in NY is called now. Are Devon bulls available with AI? How about other breeds likeBrown Swiss, Dexters, and Milking Shorthorns. Are those breedsavailable with AI? We used to have an Aryshire Bull called Selwood Betteys Commander.That Aryshire had the biggest improvement of a daughter over dam orany AI bull that was tested at the time. With the care of mad-cow,I understand that shipments back and forth across the US and CanadianBorders have all but ceased. Aryshires in Canada have now showna great deal more improvement than those Arshires that are in the USA.I wonder if the same is true of other breeds other than the Holstein.I look forward to your enlightement and thank you for your post.JJPhilippinesCharity

wrote: For those of you that like the high butterfat milks -- Something I learned this week, is that Milking Devons (cattle) have just as high of a butterfat content (4%) as Jerseys. Milking Devons are a true triple purpose cattle (milk, excellent meat and a good work ox) and do excellent on just pasture and/or grass hay -- unless it is the dead of winter in Wisconsin in which case they need 5-10 lbs of grain a day. Now yu all know my favorite Dairy Goat (Nigerian Dwarf) and my

favorite all-purpose cow.

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> Are Devon bulls available with AI? How about other breeds like

> Brown Swiss, Dexters, and Milking Shorthorns. Are those breeds

> available with AI?

I know Brownh Swiss and Shorthorn are. I used to work at a dairy for

a friend who had mostly Milking Shorthorn. He did 100% AI breeding.

He had some beautiful show cows......If I was ever going to get a cow

that wasn't Jersey....I'd go with Shorthorn. Gentle giants they are.

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Better. Milking Devonshave the SAME high butterfat as the Jersey

(famous for its high butterfat). Ayrshires BTW will only be giving

you about 12,000 lbs a year WITH a grain diet. In your climate, you

should never have to add the 5-10 lbs of grain to the devon diet.

They will not perform like a holstein but, will still perform

exceptionally well on a 100% forage diet.

Yes, they are tri-purpose. The one breed left that is actually bred

for Milking ability, meat quiality and usefullness as oxen (also the

Randell Lineback BUT, you can't buy those unless you are part of thei

click). They do not dis-bud or de-horn them and their horns are

required if you plan on showing them.

I haven't looked for Dexter semen but, I know for a fact that Milking

Devon, Shorthorn, Ayrshire, and Brown Swiss ALL have semen available.

Would you like some links?

>

> Charity:

> How do the Devons stack up with Milking Shorthorns and Ayrshires

> in the butterfat catagory? I do not believe I have seen one except

> several well trained teams of steers or oxen in NY and NH or

Vermont.

> I first heard the term " off ox'' from the folks in stown,

where

> there was a pair and they both of them had horns and some metal

> tips on the horns. I do not even know what the metal tips are

called.

> How much milk with a Devon give on just hay and some grass alone?

> How much will they give if they are pushed a little bit with

grain?

> Are Devon bulls available with AI? How about other breeds like

> Brown Swiss, Dexters, and Milking Shorthorns. Are those breeds

> available with AI?

> same is true of other breeds other than the Holstein.

> I look forward to your enlightement and thank you for your post.

> JJ

> Philippines

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Hello:Thank you for the offer of the links. I would liked to see thelinks purely for ''being noisy''. I will not be in a position to own high quality cattle as I do not have land. I have made apromise to purchase a pair of nigerial dwarf does from the Austin area. I would like to get a dexter, but with just a halfacre, the area is too small. Two small goats will work out fine.We have done more to our land here in the Philippines in threeyears than I ever did to my land in Houston, or New York in 25 years.But here we have low cost labor to do the work. We are hoping to develope the homesite now that my daughter will be out of college,working soon and has simular interests.My daughter is learning that a box cake mix costs about $1.69 and acake can be made of simular quality for just about a quarter's worthof ingredients. Most box cakes require the addition of either

milk or eggs, or both, so why not just go from scratch. I think the best time with my daughter is still to come. She is lookingforward to make cheese and do some canning. She also hopes to growsome nice tomatoes. She loves zucchini squash, something that myself and others have not been able to grow here in the Philippines becsue of the local insects and heat. With the ND goats, I think we have the best milk we can make on a small homestead. The best milk will make the best cheese and soap.We also hope to develope a flock of homing pigeons. Big plans for aold man on a half acre in Houston, but time will tell.Thanks for your post. What are the tips that are put on the horns of Devon oxen called. Where are the stock obtained. Are there anylarge herds in the USA? I have only seen a large herd of Jerseys, and that was several

yearsago. The herd we saw were dairy cattle, that were not Holsteins. Seems everyone has gone for quanity and not quality. JJPhilippinesCharity wrote: Better. Milking Devonshave the SAME high butterfat as the Jersey (famous for its high butterfat). Ayrshires BTW will only be giving you about 12,000 lbs a year WITH a grain diet. In your climate, you should never have to add the 5-10 lbs of grain to the devon diet. They will not perform like a

holstein but, will still perform exceptionally well on a 100% forage diet. Yes, they are tri-purpose. The one breed left that is actually bred for Milking ability, meat quiality and usefullness as oxen (also the Randell Lineback BUT, you can't buy those unless you are part of thei click). They do not dis-bud or de-horn them and their horns are required if you plan on showing them. I haven't looked for Dexter semen but, I know for a fact that Milking Devon, Shorthorn, Ayrshire, and Brown Swiss ALL have semen available. Would you like some links?

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Charity,Yes, I would like the link, but I will not be havingdairy cattle in the future. I would however to seethe links and see what I am missing our on.JJPhilippinesCharity wrote: Better. Milking Devonshave the SAME high butterfat as the Jersey (famous for its high butterfat). Ayrshires BTW will only be giving you about 12,000 lbs a year WITH a grain diet. In your climate, you should never have to add the 5-10 lbs of grain to the devon diet. They will

not perform like a holstein but, will still perform exceptionally well on a 100% forage diet. Yes, they are tri-purpose. The one breed left that is actually bred for Milking ability, meat quiality and usefullness as oxen (also the Randell Lineback BUT, you can't buy those unless you are part of thei click). They do not dis-bud or de-horn them and their horns are required if you plan on showing them. I haven't looked for Dexter semen but, I know for a fact that Milking Devon, Shorthorn, Ayrshire, and Brown Swiss ALL have semen available. Would you like some links? > > Charity: > How do the Devons stack up with Milking Shorthorns and Ayrshires > in the butterfat catagory? I do not believe I have seen one except > several well trained

teams of steers or oxen in NY and NH or Vermont. > I first heard the term "off ox'' from the folks in stown, where > there was a pair and they both of them had horns and some metal > tips on the horns. I do not even know what the metal tips are called. > How much milk with a Devon give on just hay and some grass alone? > How much will they give if they are pushed a little bit with grain? > Are Devon bulls available with AI? How about other breeds like > Brown Swiss, Dexters, and Milking Shorthorns. Are those breeds > available with AI? > same is true of other breeds other than the Holstein. > I look forward to your enlightement and thank you for your post. > JJ > Philippines

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JJ,

I know you have surfed through my website. You should be able to find

those links pretty easy.

I'm glad you are getting the Dwarfs.

>

> Hello:

>

> Thank you for the offer of the links. I would liked to see the

> links purely for ''being noisy''. I will not be in a position to

> own high quality cattle as I do not have land. I have made a

> promise to purchase a pair of nigerial dwarf does from the

> Austin area.

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Charity,I will check you web site and go from there, I had forgotten,(or did not see them), the first time through.Thx...JJCharity wrote: JJ, I know you have surfed through my website. You should be able to find those links pretty easy. I'm glad you are getting the Dwarfs. > > Hello: >

> Thank you for the offer of the links. I would liked to see the > links purely for ''being noisy''. I will not be in a position to > own high quality cattle as I do not have land. I have made a > promise to purchase a pair of nigerial dwarf does from the > Austin area.

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Oh, I think last time you were there, I hadn't activated the link for

the page I started for cattle. I've been making major renovations

last week and this weekend.

www.FamilyFarms.com

> >

> > Hello:

> >

> > Thank you for the offer of the links. I would liked to see the

> > links purely for ''being noisy''. I will not be in a position

to

> > own high quality cattle as I do not have land. I have made a

> > promise to purchase a pair of nigerial dwarf does from the

> > Austin area.