RE: Cholesterol

[Guest guest]

I think you are exactly right. Arteries are a muscle--they squirt. When

they get damaged, cholesterol (the body's natural agent of healing)

gets called in to fill in the damaged spots. In fact, a wound or cut on

our skin would not heal up without cholesterol. This is why plaque can

build up in our arteries. It's scar tissue, and right now, no one can

give an exact reason for artery damage.

There are many theories and I have heard some really good ones.

After all, if it were purely a " clogging up " situation from

cholesterol, the smaller pipes, just like with other plumbing

issues, would clog up first, and our tiny capillaries in our

bodies do not do that, do they? It just amazes me that the medical

establishment cannot easily see this. Something is different about

arteries and it's not fat and cholesterol that gets in there, it is some-

thing else damaging those pipes. Myself, I think it might be all the

new-fangled hydrogenated oils that contribute, as well as MSG and

other preservatives and toxins in our food supply. Fake food. That

is why I LOVE the idea of real milk....

D.

moderator

>

> Have any of you seen recent studies regarding cholesterol? So many

> people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping the

> numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be, however,

> I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our arteries

> that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them healthy.

> Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better indicators

> of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers. Any

> comments?

>

[Guest guest]

Only one comment: cholesterol is a myth. Money making for the big pharma. Period.

Here are some websites.

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm

Barbara

Have any of you seen recent studies regarding cholesterol? So many people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping the numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be, however, I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our arteries that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them healthy. Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better indicators of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers. Any comments?

[Guest guest]

I have a book "The Nutraceutical Revolution" by Firshein, D.O. In it he says it is a homocysteine that damages the arteries and then cholesterol moves in to heal them. The doctors know very well that fact but pretend that you need to get rid of the cholesterol becaue they are being paid to prescribe those expensive drugs.

I agree with you that it is our government promoted diet of oils, aspartame, MSG and all other fake foods that do the damage.

With the advent of processed foods people are now having all kinds of diseases that were unheard of even just 50 years ago.

We all need to get back to eating REAL foods, not fakes.

Barbara

There are many theories and I have heard some really good ones. After all, if it were purely a "clogging up" situation from cholesterol, the smaller pipes, just like with other plumbing issues, would clog up first, and our tiny capillaries in our bodies do not do that, do they? It just amazes me that the medicalestablishment cannot easily see this. Something is different aboutarteries and it's not fat and cholesterol that gets in there, it is some-thing else damaging those pipes. Myself, I think it might be all thenew-fangled hydrogenated oils that contribute, as well as MSG andother preservatives and toxins in our food supply. Fake food. Thatis why I LOVE the idea of real milk.... D.moderator

[Guest guest]

Dear Richyne, Barbara, & Group:

Yes Barbara, the whole cholesterol issue is

a big FIASCO and a big SCAM by the medical establishment and the pharmacartel.

It may have started as a simple blunder by the first “Researchers.” A simple

case of “Post Hoc Ergo Propter

Hoc.... After This Therefore, Because Of This.” In any case, the medical

establishment and pharmaceutical folks “ran” with it. I vividly remember

hearing Ms. Enig, in the 03/28/2001 radio program of the late Dr R. C.

Atkins, mention that at the “Cholesterol Consensus Conference,” she was

standing behind the three principals (who would be making the decision), and

overheard them saying that they could not set the Cholesterol “Cut-Off” at 260

(which is what the data indicated for good health), because then they would not

have enough people to test. Ms Enig put it nicely: that the whole decision to

establish the cut-off at 200, was “Political.” I could probably come up with

more damning words.

The references you give are good ones. I

will add Colpo’s contribution to spreading the truth about this issue: http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

Personally, I was urged by my doctor to

take Lipitor when my cholesterol was 225. I politely declined and continued

with my good nutrition. Today I am healthier than I was 30 years ago.

For those of you just starting on the

journey of good nutrition, be assured that eggs, butter, cream, healthy fats,

etc., do not cause high cholesterol. And besides, cholesterol is not a good

indicator for cardiovascular health. Triglycerides, Homocysteine, Cardio-CRP,

and Fibrinogen are the indicators you want. Unfortunately few

mainstream/orthodox doctors give you these tests, unless you specifically ask

for them, or already have a serious heart condition.

Best wishes.

Johan

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From: RawDairy

[mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of

Barbara

Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006

7:39 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re:

Cholesterol

Only one comment: cholesterol is a myth. Money making for

the big pharma. Period.

Here are some websites.

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterFive/page5g.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cholesterol.htm

Barbara

Have any of you seen recent studies

regarding cholesterol? So many

people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping the

numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be, however,

I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our arteries

that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them healthy.

Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better indicators

of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers. Any

comments?

[Guest guest]

Hi Johan,

Dr. Enig in her book "Eat Fat Lose Fat" states clearly that the only healthy fat is saturated animal fat and number one in health is raw butter. And she should know something about fats as she was studying them for 30 years.

It is just too bad that people let themselves be so brainwashed by their government that they believe that the doctors have nothing but their well being in their hearts....yeah, right.... Bottom line wins every time. It is too bad that so few people are willing to change their way of eating. Too bad that the truth is spreading so slowly.

Barbara

Dear Richyne, Barbara, & Group:

Yes Barbara, the whole cholesterol issue is a big FIASCO and a big SCAM by the medical establishment and the pharmacartel. It may have started as a simple blunder by the first “Researchers.” A simple case of “Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.... After This Therefore, Because Of This.” In any case, the medical establishment and pharmaceutical folks “ran” with it. I vividly remember hearing Ms. Enig, in the 03/28/2001 radio program of the late Dr R. C. Atkins, mention that at the “Cholesterol Consensus Conference,” she was standing behind the three principals (who would be making the decision), and overheard them saying that they could not set the Cholesterol “Cut-Off” at 260 (which is what the data indicated for good health), because then they would not have enough people to test. Ms Enig put it nicely: that the whole decision to establish the cut-off at 200, was “Political.” I could probably come up with more damning words.

The references you give are good ones. I will add Colpo’s contribution to spreading the truth about this issue: http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

Personally, I was urged by my doctor to take Lipitor when my cholesterol was 225. I politely declined and continued with my good nutrition. Today I am healthier than I was 30 years ago.

For those of you just starting on the journey of good nutrition, be assured that eggs, butter, cream, healthy fats, etc., do not cause high cholesterol. And besides, cholesterol is not a good indicator for cardiovascular health. Triglycerides, Homocysteine, Cardio-CRP, and Fibrinogen are the indicators you want. Unfortunately few mainstream/orthodox doctors give you these tests, unless you specifically ask for them, or already have a serious heart condition.

Best wishes.

Johan

[Guest guest]

Actually, from what I have read, you are correct. Your body will make

its own cholesterol but, you don't want it to. Your body needs a

certain amount of cholesterol to function. If you eat enough in your

diet, you will not make any. If you eat a little too much, you will

flush most of the excess. If you eat way too much, that of course, can

be a problem. The biggest problem comes when people try to cut too much

of it from their diet, which forces their body to begin producing it.

The cholesterol that your body produces is not a good form of it

because your body thinks you are malnurished and is trying to make up

for it. Then, if you " cheat " you get both produced and eaten. It is

dificult for your body to turn it on and off.

My granny died from high cholestol. It started off, it was a little

high so her doctor gave her pills. It went up. Then the severe diet

restriction. They should've just left her alone because the more the

messed with what went in her body, the worse it got. Towards the end,

she did not eat ANYTHING that might have ANY chlesteral in it.

If you want a referrence for this info, I can ask my mom what book it

was that she sent me. I have long since " loaned' the book out. The

really useful books never get returned. LOL

>

> Have any of you seen recent studies regarding cholesterol? So many

> people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping the

> numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be,

however,

> I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our

arteries

> that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them healthy.

> Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better

indicators

> of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers. Any

> comments?

>

[Guest guest]

Another thing about cholesterol. It depends on the type of fat you

eat.

When I cook up the bacon from my hogs, it stays liquid and slightly

yellow at room temperature. When I used to buy store bought bacon, it

would get hard and white at room temperature. These are the same

meats but, the type of fat is way different.

The difference is that we provide pasture, sunshine and exercise

where as the store bought stuff was raised in confinement, never

seeing natural light, barely having enough room to turn around and

only being pumped full of grain and medications.

The pigs raised healthy have the healthy fat and the pigs raised

cruly (more " economically " ) have the bad fat.

Just remeber, if its hard at room temperature, it will be hard in

your body and raise those bad numbers. But, if it's liquid at room

temperature it will stay liquid in you and be more likely to flush

out.

> >

> > Have any of you seen recent studies regarding cholesterol? So

many

> > people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping

the

> > numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be,

however,

> > I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our

arteries

> > that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them

healthy.

> > Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better

indicators

> > of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers.

Any

> > comments?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great thanks to all who responded to my cholesterol post. It is so disheartening that the medical profession has forgotten, "First, do no harm" or something to like that as stated in the oath all docs subscribe to. I am a registered dietitian. I call myself a non traditional dietitian because most dietitians subscribe to the low cholesterol protocol. There are few in my field who believe as I do. I agree whole heartedly that it is the processing of our foods that has led to the disease states we see today.

Again, thank you.

Richyne Meyer, RD

[Guest guest]

Arteries don't actually squirt.They aren't muscles. The heart is the muscle that makes the squirt go through the arteries.

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[Guest guest]

I had alot of this info but not all. This is a great teacing tool. Thanks Barb.

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[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

> > My granny died from high cholestol. It started off, it was a little > high so her doctor gave her pills. It went up. Then the severe diet > restriction. They should've just left her alone because the more the > messed with what went in her body, the worse it got. Towards the end, > she did not eat ANYTHING that might have ANY chlesteral in it.Charity,Just a teeny clarification which I thought you, being an attorney and all, would appreciate. Your " granny " didn't " die from high cholestol " . She died from her doctor being in the pockets of Big Pharma, not to mention he didn't have a lick of sense about what good nutrition was, or wasn't. My grandmother died of a stroke - pretty sure it was from the statins for the " high cholesterol " , too. Then again, she could also have been killed by the years of taking blood thinners and any number of other meds prescribed by a doctor she " trusted with her life " . Literally.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

After hearing this discussion I would like to send a relative a book

about cholesterol with a it's not evil message. His wife has been

complaining about how mean he has become since starting the

medication. Do you all recommend " The Cholesterol Myths " and is there

any studies on the drugs causing " meanness " that you all could point

me to.

[Guest guest]

you are so right about the food being loaded with icky stuff. my kids came home from school stating they had had pizza and it was sooo good! I sub in one of the kitchens and was asking about it. Found out is was a brand name frozen pizza! no wonder all the kids liked it! it is what they get at home. not many make anything from scratch any more. both parents work and don't take or have the time. we are going to have a generation of people who don't know the first thing about cooking! it's sad.

and i agree with the cholesterol theory that all the stuff the food companies put in to food to make it taste good because they take out so much is going to make us sick. look at how high the cancer and diabetes rate are.

so those of us that know how and have access to real food do the best that we can and we go on from there!

thanks for the reminder shawn! =-)

Re: Cholesterol

I think you are exactly right. Arteries are a muscle--they squirt. Whenthey get damaged, cholesterol (the body's natural agent of healing) gets called in to fill in the damaged spots. In fact, a wound or cut onour skin would not heal up without cholesterol. This is why plaque canbuild up in our arteries. It's scar tissue, and right now, no one cangive an exact reason for artery damage. There are many theories and I have heard some really good ones. After all, if it were purely a "clogging up" situation from cholesterol, the smaller pipes, just like with other plumbing issues, would clog up first, and our tiny capillaries in our bodies do not do that, do they? It just amazes me that the medicalestablishment cannot easily see this. Something is different aboutarteries and it's not fat and cholesterol that gets in there, it is some-thing else damaging those pipes. Myself, I think it might be all thenew-fangled hydrogenated oils that contribute, as well as MSG andother preservatives and toxins in our food supply. Fake food. Thatis why I LOVE the idea of real milk.... D.moderator>> Have any of you seen recent studies regarding cholesterol? So many > people are on cholesterol lowering drugs and they keep dropping the > numbers. My cholesterol is higher than my doc wants it to be, however, > I believe our bodies make the cholesterol it needs. It is our arteries > that we need to be concerned about, this is, keeping them healthy. > Test like the C-reactive protein and homocysteine are better indicators > of how healthy our arteries are than the cholesterol numbers. Any > comments?>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Srgcville:

I do not think that just a book will take care of the situation. The

cholesterol issue has been muddled too much by the mainstream medical system

and the pharmacartel mafia, to reduce the issue to one book.

I suggest you refer your relative and the mean husband to Dr. Duane

Graveline’s web site: http://www.spacedoc.net/ Where you can find all the side effects

of the Statin drugs.

If you go to:

http://www.spacedoc.net/warning_signs_statins.htm

You can read:

Quote -

“The symptoms we

associate with statin induced dolicol inhibition are a broad range of affective

disorders, reflecting alteration of neuropeptides, known as brain cell

messengers. Very few physicians and almost no patients are aware of the many

case reports of statin associated hostility, aggression, road-rage type

behavior, accident proneness and depression of varying degrees with its

inevitable suicidal ideation, attempts and occasional successes.”

End quote

It is a sad situation, that our own Government, health professionals,

and food, pharmaceutical, and other industries, and their minions are killing

us.

Best wishes.

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From: RawDairy

[mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of

srgcville

Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006

7:51 AM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re:

Cholesterol

After hearing

this discussion I would like to send a relative a book

about cholesterol with a it's not evil message. His wife has been

complaining about how mean he has become since starting the

medication. Do you all recommend " The Cholesterol Myths " and is there

any studies on the drugs causing " meanness " that you all could point

me to.

[Guest guest]

You could send him all the sites that you will get if you just google

-cholesterol myths- that's what I did before I sent the links. In fact there are studies that confirm that it is not necessary to lower your cholesterol. Many links will have footnotes with this data.

I don't know about the drug making a person mean, but ALL drugs have side effects and if they are not necessary, why suffer their side effects?

Barbara

After hearing this discussion I would like to send a relative a book about cholesterol with a it's not evil message. His wife has been complaining about how mean he has become since starting the medication. Do you all recommend "The Cholesterol Myths" and is there any studies on the drugs causing "meanness" that you all could point me to. PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Johan,Masterjohn over on Native Nutrition has an interesting cholesterol site which you also might appreciate. Thought I'd pass it along - I'm off to check the one you recommended. Thanks.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/SharonOn 11/14/06, Johan F. Ploeg <jfploeg@...

> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Wow Johan! I checked that book out and I will be ordering soon. It is really sad that my husbands family has a long history of heart problems. I have studied and taught health and nutrition for more than 25yrs. now and not what the gov't is teaching. When I first met my husband they put him on Mevacor . My husbands whole family are sugar addicts and my husband was no exception. I told him to throw out the statins, cut out the candy , eat fat and fire his doctor. He didn't listen. Three months later his cholesteral was still 475. Now he was to go on a low fat diet. I told him the same thing I had told him before. Three months later it had not changed. I read the side effects to him and he started to listen.Finally. He stopped taking the statin and cut way down on the candy and his

cholesteral started to drop.I can't remember what it was at the next 3mos. check up but 6mos after he quit taking the statin and cut his candy down to almost nothing his cholesteral was at 175 and has remained close to it ever since and that was almost 13 years ago. He also doesn't see that doctor any more. Sugar makes the tryglycerides raise and cholesteral also. Luckily we found the Weston A Price Foundation and became chapter leaders so we tell every body about this. We got the book Cholesteral Myths and because we love his folks so much we of course want to make sure that they stick around for awhile we let them read it. When they were through with it I asked them what they thought thinking that they would have been relieved to see the truth . My father in law said" This information is going to kill somebody!" My mouth dropped. We keep trying to

educate them but they only listen to what their doctor says and big Pharma. It breaks my heart seeing them on so many drugs but you can't save someone from themselves. I guess it's true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

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[Guest guest]

,

Sometimes we get lazy. It is much easier to go to the doctor, have him

give you a pill and figure it is all taken care of. It takes some

doing to get off your lard butt and exercise AND (oh my gosh!) change

some bad eating habits.

Belinda

>

> Wow Johan!

> I checked that book out and I will be ordering soon.

> It is really sad that my husbands family has a long history of

heart problems.

> I have studied and taught health and nutrition for more than

25yrs. now and not what the gov't is teaching. When I first met my

husband they put him on Mevacor .

> My husbands whole family are sugar addicts and my husband was no

exception.

> I told him to throw out the statins, cut out the candy , eat fat

and fire his doctor. He didn't listen.

> Three months later his cholesteral was still 475.

> Now he was to go on a low fat diet. I told him the same thing I

had told him before.

> Three months later it had not changed.

> I read the side effects to him and he started to listen.Finally.

> He stopped taking the statin and cut way down on the candy and

his cholesteral started to drop.I can't remember what it was at the

next 3mos. check up but 6mos after he quit taking the statin and cut

his candy down to almost nothing his cholesteral was at 175 and has

remained close to it ever since and that was almost 13 years ago. He

also doesn't see that doctor any more.

> Sugar makes the tryglycerides raise and cholesteral also.

> Luckily we found the Weston A Price Foundation and became

chapter leaders so we tell every body about this.

> We got the book Cholesteral Myths and because we love his folks

so much we of course want to make sure that they stick around for

awhile we let them read it.

> When they were through with it I asked them what they thought

thinking that they would have been relieved to see the truth . My

father in law said " This information is going to kill somebody! " My

mouth dropped.

> We keep trying to educate them but they only listen to what

their doctor says and big Pharma.

> It breaks my heart seeing them on so many drugs but you can't

save someone from themselves.

> I guess it's true that you can lead a horse to water but you

can't make them drink.

>

[Guest guest]

--Belinda,

They have really cut down on sugar but the problem now is that

they eat fake foods.Artificial sweetners, margerine etc. because

they believe that their doctors are gods. This generation just won't

go against their doctor.

They actually do walk. His folks are in their 70's.They aren't

over weight and their numbers aren't bad at all but since the doctor

said they need this stuff and cut out fat then that is what they do.

Even though my husband is very healthy.

When we go back for Thanksgiving we will take a lot of our own

food because I just won't eat fake food. Our bodies were not meant

to eat that stuff.

I personally feel that if more people would do the research and

stay away from the doctors they would be alot happier and healthier.

- In RawDairy , " labelleacres " wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Sometimes we get lazy. It is much easier to go to the doctor, have

him

> give you a pill and figure it is all taken care of. It takes some

> doing to get off your lard butt and exercise AND (oh my gosh!)

change

> some bad eating habits.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > Wow Johan!

> > I checked that book out and I will be ordering soon.

> > It is really sad that my husbands family has a long history of

> heart problems.

> > I have studied and taught health and nutrition for more than

> 25yrs. now and not what the gov't is teaching. When I first met my

> husband they put him on Mevacor .

> > My husbands whole family are sugar addicts and my husband

was no

> exception.

> > I told him to throw out the statins, cut out the candy , eat

fat

> and fire his doctor. He didn't listen.

> > Three months later his cholesteral was still 475.

> > Now he was to go on a low fat diet. I told him the same thing I

> had told him before.

> > Three months later it had not changed.

> > I read the side effects to him and he started to

listen.Finally.

> > He stopped taking the statin and cut way down on the candy and

> his cholesteral started to drop.I can't remember what it was at the

> next 3mos. check up but 6mos after he quit taking the statin and

cut

> his candy down to almost nothing his cholesteral was at 175 and has

> remained close to it ever since and that was almost 13 years ago.

He

> also doesn't see that doctor any more.

> > Sugar makes the tryglycerides raise and cholesteral also.

> > Luckily we found the Weston A Price Foundation and became

> chapter leaders so we tell every body about this.

> > We got the book Cholesteral Myths and because we love his

folks

> so much we of course want to make sure that they stick around for

> awhile we let them read it.

> > When they were through with it I asked them what they

thought

> thinking that they would have been relieved to see the truth . My

> father in law said " This information is going to kill somebody! "

My

> mouth dropped.

> > We keep trying to educate them but they only listen to what

> their doctor says and big Pharma.

> > It breaks my heart seeing them on so many drugs but you can't

> save someone from themselves.

> > I guess it's true that you can lead a horse to water but you

> can't make them drink.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps, if they are lucky, they will notice the change in you and

your husband. Best way to lead is by good example.

Belinda

>

> --Belinda,

> They have really cut down on sugar but the problem now is that

> they eat fake foods.Artificial sweetners, margerine etc. because

> they believe that their doctors are gods. This generation just won't

> go against their doctor.

> They actually do walk. His folks are in their 70's.They aren't

> over weight and their numbers aren't bad at all but since the doctor

> said they need this stuff and cut out fat then that is what they do.

> Even though my husband is very healthy.

> When we go back for Thanksgiving we will take a lot of our own

> food because I just won't eat fake food. Our bodies were not meant

> to eat that stuff.

> I personally feel that if more people would do the research and

> stay away from the doctors they would be alot happier and healthier.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda, That is what we were hoping for but it has been 13yrs. and they still only believe what the DR. and media have to tell them. I guess it's hard to get past the "God" complex. I have found this more often in older adults because the DR. "can't be wrong." I love my in-laws dearly but they also believe that the FDA , USDA and other agencies are going to protect them. They just don't get it. They just can't grasp the concept of doctors and big pharma and the govt. trying to make a buck off of them. After all, the doctor wouldn't give them drugs that they didn't need , would he?

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[Guest guest]

I have been trying really hard to figure this all out and this is only my opinion but back when these 70 year olds were young men and women the doctors of the time really did work miracles in their youngster eyes. I think this attitude also is due to with the belief that they are not as smart as the person of percieved authority. They come from generation where a lot didn't even know how to read, education was an extravagance that couldn't be afforded by most and a doctor was highly educated next to those poor country folk. Those times have changed a lot but that feeling of inadequacy is still there. I have been trying very hard to show my older acquaintances that they really are more intelligent than they believe they are. It is a very hard process and for my generation, I am 41, of all we ever wanted available to us I think it is hard to understand.

Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canadagdchik@...http://www.winnipegbeach.com/chikouskyfarms/

Re: Cholesterol

Belinda,

That is what we were hoping for but it has been 13yrs. and they still only believe what the DR. and media have to tell them.

I guess it's hard to get past the "God" complex. I have found this more often in older adults because the DR. "can't be wrong."

I love my in-laws dearly but they also believe that the FDA , USDA and other agencies are going to protect them.

They just don't get it. They just can't grasp the concept of doctors and big pharma and the govt. trying to make a buck off of them.

After all, the doctor wouldn't give them drugs that they didn't need , would he?

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

EXCELLENT point!

" Sharon son " wrote:

>

>

> >

> > My granny died from high cholestol. It started off, it was a

little

> > high so her doctor gave her pills. It went up. Then the severe

diet

> > restriction. They should've just left her alone because the more

the

> > messed with what went in her body, the worse it got. Towards the

end,

> > she did not eat ANYTHING that might have ANY chlesteral in it.

>

> Charity,

> Just a teeny clarification which I thought you, being an attorney

and all,

> would appreciate. Your " granny " didn't " die from high

cholestol " . She

> died from her doctor being in the pockets of Big Pharma, not to

mention he

> didn't have a lick of sense about what good nutrition was, or

wasn't. My

> grandmother died of a stroke - pretty sure it was from the statins

for the

> " high cholesterol " , too. Then again, she could also have been

killed by the

> years of taking blood thinners and any number of other meds

prescribed by a

> doctor she " trusted with her life " . Literally.

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

My Dad had 9 siblings. He just turned 78. He was 'third from the bottom' as he likes to say. Of his remaining siblings His oldest is still alive and the healthiest like my dad. Why? My dad refuses to go to the doctor and My Aunt says she can't afford to go to the doctor (I think she's in her 90's). All the others have died (5) from their doctor's 'care' or are dying a slow death from the multitute of prescriptions they're on.

Ellen

from IL