Re: OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I believe that ozone can help with any infection, including Lyme.

There are two wonderful books out by Rosner that deal specifically

with Lyme, how to treat it using various modalities, and why they work. You

can Google it.

Nenah

OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now. Found out

> that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe that Lyme is

> incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines (rife, mag

> pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so deep

> that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any treatmetn

> including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

> unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body, and

> damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get rid of

> lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable, too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis, penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for all of

> us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

When I was diagnosed with CFS and FM I was told repeatedly that it was

incurable. The doctors told me, the arthritis society told me even the people at

the FM *support* group told me it was not curable. They told me to just accept

my lot in life, that I would be like this forever and that I was in denial to

think *I* could cure myself when so many before me hadn't.

That was the single most depressing thing I had heard. This one comment was

worse than the diagnosis itself. To think I would have to accept that I could

never be healthy and in charge of my body again, than some invisible *thing* had

taken over my body and my life and I was stuck like this. Depressing. I cried

for hours and then got up and went to the gym: if I was going to hurt it was

going to be because I did something.

That was 15 years ago. Today I am 8 years cured. I have not had a symptom in 8

years. I do not " manage " it, I do not " live with it " . I do not have it.

If I had believed the lie of the people who were too weak or too beaten or too

dependant on their illnesses, I would still have it. But I was not willing to

settle for that life sentence. Today they tell me I must not have really had

it...

It saddens me that people are so willing to give up their own lives because they

believe someone else, instead of taking on their own problems and fixing them.

I say, stop worrying about what anyone else says or has gone through, research

and then just do what you think is right. If that doesn't work, try something

else and keep going until you find the result you want.

Why settle for less?

Sherri-Lee

OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

Dear friends,

Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now. Found out that

majority of folks including my current LLMD believe that Lyme is incurable....

we can never get rid of it.

For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

(1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

(2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get them;

(3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines (rife, mag

pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get them completely??

(4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so deep that

nothing can get them.

(5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any treatmetn including

the rife machine frequencies.

I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body, and damaged

parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get rid of lyme for now

and worry about how to repair the damages later.

So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable, too? Why??

(1) mycoplasma fermantans;

(2) babesia;

(3) batonella;

(4) erlicria;

(5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis, penetrans;

(6) HHV6;

(7) clmaydia;

Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for all of us.

Thanks.

Jen -

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[Guest guest]

---In my twenties I dreamed. In my thirties I tried to put my dreams

into action. In my forties I could see that hard as I tried I could

not accomplish many of my dreams. In my fifties I learned to live in

the present. At 21 they said I would live 2 years at the most. As

years went by they added more and more names to diseases that I had

like FM, MS, etc. and finally 2 years ago Lyme and all its co-

infections that had been there most of my life and had kept me from

accomplishing all those dreams I felt were very important. Now I

look back and I know how to live better than I could have better

imagined! I know how to fight, I know how to hope, I know how to

wait, I know how to treasure the small pleasures of life. I do not

take things for granted. I embrace pain and ride with it. I am

learning to fight the right fights. I listen to knowledge, good news,

bad news, discoveries, controversies, and I sigh and know that it is

all good no matter how hard it is. It is all good. Whether or not we

will always have these disease, whether or not we will always have to

fight them, whether or not.... I have it or not have it.. . I am at

peace. I am still a walking miracle they say. It is a rugged road but

I can look up and see the vastness of life is not limited to pain and

sickness. I can look beyond the horizon and see so much more to

experience, love and hope.It took me forever as a young person to

understand why when you try to learn to ride a bike you must look

away from the ground to where you want to go, why when my father took

me out rowing he wanted me to focus at some point across the lake so

that I could get there rather than look at my paddles.

Some will heal, some will heal partly, some will not heal much and

some will not heal but we all can learn to live in victory, hope and

peace. To me that is the important thing. I leave the rest to God,

the doctors and life itself.

Thanks for the inspiring story Sherri. I believe in fighting as well.

I have done that well. It has paid off even though I am not well. But

I am here and loving it.

It is awesome to hear people like all of you sharing from your heart,

your wisdom, your concern for others, and your willingness to go in

very uncharted territory at times. Thanks to all of you.

cathy

In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee wrote:

>

> Hi Jen,

>

> When I was diagnosed with CFS and FM I was told repeatedly that it

was incurable. The doctors told me, the arthritis society told me

even the people at the FM *support* group told me it was not curable.

They told me to just accept my lot in life, that I would be like this

forever and that I was in denial to think *I* could cure myself when

so many before me hadn't.

>

> That was the single most depressing thing I had heard. This one

comment was worse than the diagnosis itself. To think I would have to

accept that I could never be healthy and in charge of my body again,

than some invisible *thing* had taken over my body and my life and I

was stuck like this. Depressing. I cried for hours and then got up

and went to the gym: if I was going to hurt it was going to be

because I did something.

>

> That was 15 years ago. Today I am 8 years cured. I have not had a

symptom in 8 years. I do not " manage " it, I do not " live with it " . I

do not have it.

>

> If I had believed the lie of the people who were too weak or too

beaten or too dependant on their illnesses, I would still have it.

But I was not willing to settle for that life sentence. Today they

tell me I must not have really had it...

>

> It saddens me that people are so willing to give up their own lives

because they believe someone else, instead of taking on their own

problems and fixing them.

>

> I say, stop worrying about what anyone else says or has gone

through, research and then just do what you think is right. If that

doesn't work, try something else and keep going until you find the

result you want.

>

> Why settle for less?

>

> Sherri-Lee

>

>

> OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

>

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now.

Found out that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe

that Lyme is incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get

them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines

(rife, mag pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get

them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so

deep that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any

treatmetn including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body,

and damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get

rid of lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable,

too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis,

penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for

all of us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Sherrie Lee, tell us what you all did to get well? If you told us

once, tell us again breifly. I don't want to miss anything that may

help me as well. Steph

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri-Lee,

I am curious as to what you did also. How long were you sick before

you started ozone? How many years did you do ozone? What other

things did you do? What were your symptoms? I know that you had

Bell's Palsy. Some people who have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia

really may have Lyme. Doctors don't know the cause of fibromyalgia -

it is just a fancy term for a set of symptoms. Many people with

Bell's palsy have Lyme. Thanks for sharing.

Laurie

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now.

Found out that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe

that Lyme is incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the

reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get

them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines

(rife, mag pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get

them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so

deep that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any

treatmetn including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body,

and damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can

get rid of lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages

later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable,

too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis,

penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for

all of us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> If I had believed the lie of the people who were too weak or too

beaten or too dependant on their illnesses, I would still have it. But

I was not willing to settle for that life sentence. Today they tell me

I must not have really had it...

Sherri-Lee, Who are the 'they' you are refering to? Doctors or other

people with the illness or both? Thanks, gail

[Guest guest]

I have had severe Lyme now, Neuro Borrelioses for 15 months now. It was a second

- or maybe 3rd, 4rd who knows, - infection (re-infection) according to my EAV

therapist. I contracted this through sexual intercourse.

I won't bore you with the symptoms, those with Lyme know them all to well.

I have build an ozone sauna in which I can lay down, with the head out of course

and use industrial ozone generator that can makes 4gr/hr ozone from pure O2. I

stay in the sauna for 2 to 3 hours a session, every other day at least. This

keeps me functioning quite well on my multi tasking job, however it certainly

has not healed me.

I do however have the feeling that if I would stay in the sauna for many hours

for several days It might take all of the Lyme infections and it's co-infections

out of the body.

Also in my experience there is certainly a difference in ozone made with

different frequencies, whatever anybody else says. So I'm now experimenting with

changing frequencies of generator to see what this has for impact on the Lyme as

well as on my energies etc.

When ozone really starts to take a way central growth centers of Lyme in the

body, it really hurts, but at the same time it feels good. This mostly happens

after 2,5 to 3 hours of ozone sauna.

What I also do is ozone pulsing: putting the steam of after 30 minutes for 15 to

30 minutes, in that way the skin is warm and wet, so penetrable for ozone and at

the same time ozone is not reacting anymore with H2O steam and the level of

ozone in the sauna is rising quite high, this really makes it much stronger and

with deaper pennetration.

My story so far.

Rife generator did not help me much unfortunately.

Best

Nenah Sylver wrote: Jen,

I believe that ozone can help with any infection, including Lyme.

There are two wonderful books out by Rosner that deal specifically

with Lyme, how to treat it using various modalities, and why they work. You

can Google it.

Nenah

OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now. Found out

> that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe that Lyme is

> incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines (rife, mag

> pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so deep

> that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any treatmetn

> including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

> unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body, and

> damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get rid of

> lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable, too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis, penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for all of

> us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

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[Guest guest]

,

Could you elaborate on the " lay down " sauna you built?

I have a sit down tent type that works quite well except for the discomfort of

sitting.

Thanks,

Dennis

OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now. Found out

> that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe that Lyme is

> incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines (rife, mag

> pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so deep

> that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any treatmetn

> including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

> unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body, and

> damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get rid of

> lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable, too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis, penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for all of

> us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

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[Guest guest]

Hallo Dennis,

Well it is actually quite simple. I have two of these tents on their backs with

the ground parts connecting. I cut out most of the ground parts in both tents in

such a way that it becomes one space insight but still the cloth is arround the

bottom of both tents.

I use a walpaper steamer as heater.

Put lots of towels on the floor and ready for session.

But I think it can be made as well from 4 plates of fiberglass etc.

Walpapersteamers work really wel, they make a lot of hot steam and I have one

that can go on for 11/2 hour on 4 liters. When you connect two to th sauna you

have 3 hours of steam, more then enough for a long session.

Best

Dennis Lipter wrote: ,

Could you elaborate on the " lay down " sauna you built?

I have a sit down tent type that works quite well except for the discomfort of

sitting.

Thanks,

Dennis

OT: Lyme & Co. incurable or not??

> Dear friends,

>

> Have been active in lyme community for over 1 1/2 years now. Found out

> that majority of folks including my current LLMD believe that Lyme is

> incurable.... we can never get rid of it.

> For those of you believe so, would you share with me the reasons?

>

> (1) They reproduce/multiple faster than we can kill them;

> (2) They hide inside the candida/fungus where nothing can get them;

> (3) They are intracellular bacteria and no electronic machines (rife, mag

> pusler, etc.), herbs, prescription drugs, ozone can get them completely??

> (4) They are in the nerve endings, brain, muscle, lymph system so deep

> that nothing can get them.

> (5) They mutate and consistly build resistance against any treatmetn

> including the rife machine frequencies.

>

> I do understand that some of us has had lyme for a long time. And

> unfortunately, lyme often has implanted itself deeply into our body, and

> damaged parts of our body. However, let's focus on why we can get rid of

> lyme for now and worry about how to repair the damages later.

>

> So, what about the following co-infections, are the incurable, too? Why??

> (1) mycoplasma fermantans;

> (2) babesia;

> (3) batonella;

> (4) erlicria;

> (5) other strains of mycoplasma, including pnemonia, hommis, penetrans;

> (6) HHV6;

> (7) clmaydia;

>

> Please feel free to jump in as I am still solving this puzzle for all of

> us. Thanks.

>

> Jen -

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