Re: Are we the only cowshare run by consumers?

[Guest guest]

n our cowshare, started 4 years ago, a group of consumers found an agreeable dairy farmer, bought two cows and took them to the farmer to have them boarded, milked, and the milk put in jars. The farmer has never owned our cows. I have not been able to find this kind of arrangement anywhere.

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept of ag.

Jolynn

[Guest guest]

We made this exact arguement!

WA has decided that we dairy farmers are not trustworthy and any type of sharing of dairy animals equals sales and MUST be done under a license or it is illegal

That's weird. Do people board their horses at horse farms? Seems like the same type of thing to me. It's a private arrangement. Hmmm. At least WA has it better in many ways than other states, though.

Thanks for sharing,

Sally

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept of ag.

Jolynn

[Guest guest]

I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally and be grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw milk, but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can. Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or share? We're not talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing requirement has as much to do with "public safety" as NAIS does. Nothing. It has to do with the wealthy dairy industry who may lose money with the grassroots movement of dairy shares and people feeding themselves and the control they have over our legislatures.

If we give up our right to choose what we eat and to own livestock without government restrictions, what next?

Off my soap box now.

Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage. Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a layer of protection, if there is ever a problem. It also places a threshold of entry to those who aren't willing to meet the minimum requirements. Now, if those minimums are designed to favor the large dairy interests then that is a matter begging for a law suit. But assuming they are reasonable standards for cleanliness and proper handling, then take advantage of it.We would gladly "sign-up" in Alabama for what should be our constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance. The Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago and now we are having to try to regain it. Langlois

[Guest guest]

That's weird. Do people board their horses at horse farms? Seems like the same type of thing to me. It's a private arrangement. Hmmm. At least WA has it better in many ways than other states, though.

Thanks for sharing,

Sally

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept of ag.

Jolynn

[Guest guest]

I see your point witht the horses example. The issue in WA state is the milk produced from the cows. The law now is very specific, here is how it reads:

2Q: How do you define a sale of milk?

2A: By definition in RCW 15.36.012, sale means "selling, offering for sale, holding for sale, preparing for sale, distributing, dispensing, delivering, supplying, trading, bartering, offering as a gift as an inducement for sale of, and advertising for sale in any media." This means that even if you give milk away, barter, or trade milk for other items, you must meet all of the state licensing requirements.

3Q: What is a "Cow Share" and is it legal?

3A: Some farmers use cow shares or farm share agreements as a marketing approach to sell their cows’ milk. The consumer purchases a "share" of a cow (or goat or sheep) and in return receives a portion of the milk produced. The agency considers this a sale.

Legal cow shares can exist in the State of Washington as long as the producer obtains proper licensing with the Washington State Department of Agriculture (milk producer and milk processing plant license). Producers may not use a cow share agreement to avoid meeting state requirements.

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-----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ]On Behalf Of Sally HoldenerSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:28 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Are we the only cowshare run by consumers?

That's weird. Do people board their horses at horse farms? Seems like the same type of thing to me. It's a private arrangement. Hmmm. At least WA has it better in many ways than other states, though.

Thanks for sharing,

Sally

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept of ag.

Jolynn

[Guest guest]

Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage.

Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a

layer of protection, if there is ever a problem. It also places a

threshold of entry to those who aren't willing to meet the minimum

requirements. Now, if those minimums are designed to favor the large

dairy interests then that is a matter begging for a law suit. But

assuming they are reasonable standards for cleanliness and proper

handling, then take advantage of it.

We would gladly "sign-up" in Alabama for what should be our

constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance.

The Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago

and now we are having to try to regain it.

Langlois

Lucky Hook Grade A RAW Dairy wrote:

I see your point witht the

horses example. The issue in WA state is the milk produced from the

cows. The law now is very specific, here is how it reads:

2Q: How

do you define a sale of milk?

2A: By definition in RCW 15.36.012, sale means

"selling, offering for sale, holding for sale, preparing for sale,

distributing, dispensing, delivering, supplying, trading, bartering,

offering as a gift as an inducement for sale of, and advertising for

sale in any media." This means that even if you give milk away, barter,

or trade milk for other items, you must meet all of the state licensing

requirements.

3Q: What

is a "Cow Share" and is it legal?

3A: Some farmers use cow shares or farm share

agreements as a marketing approach to sell their cows’ milk. The

consumer purchases a "share" of a cow (or goat or sheep) and in return

receives a portion of the milk produced. The agency considers this a

sale.

Legal cow shares can exist in the State of

Washington as long as the producer obtains proper licensing with the

Washington State Department of Agriculture (milk producer and milk

processing plant license). Producers may not use a cow share agreement

to avoid meeting state requirements.

LHR Manufacturing

Setting The Standard

for Portable Milking Machines

http://www.milking-machines.com

[Guest guest]

So what you are saying is that if you get sick from the raw milk that you bought you would not take action against the farmer in any way. To me the licensing protects me as well as the buyer.

Chris

Would it not depend on why you got sick?

The very very few cases of people getting sick from raw milk are sensationalized, and there is doubt about the ONE case I know about whether the milk was actually bad...until this century there was only raw and there was no raw milk plaugue or law suits against farmers.

if you are buying raw milk would you not check out the faremer, the cows, etc? Would you not first find a trustworthy farmer?

As the farmer, would you not dump milk and inform drinkers if a cow gets sick or if you test and have a high count

do we not drink raw milk specifically to get the "bad stuff" in it to boost our immune systems and improve our health? so much so that these good amount of organisms that should be in us but have been taken away DO make us a bit sick when we first start to drink raw?

knowing what you are doing and assuming the above, why would you take any action against the farmer of milk that made me sick.

I was raised on raw and we were a family farm and never tested. I think I remember once when the milk tasted off and so we didn't drink it that day. We drink from 2 cows and about 20 different goats, raw.

No one has ever gotten sick.

I have gotten violently ill after eating at a "licensed" restaurant many times.

I have also been on "licensed grade A" daries, aka "protected farmers" and step in the rat feces and see how the cows are housed so close together they are breathing ammonia, on cement, fed chemicals and hormones and antibiotics....now THAT makes me want to take action against someone...

[Guest guest]

I am not advocating the way things "ought" to be, but a pragmatic way

to serenity. It's analogous to buying car insurance.

I ought to be able to drive my car and not have to worry about the

"other idiot" who may hit me. Nevertheless, the risk is too great to

let the matter be ignored on the principle of freedom. Therefore, I

buy the insurance and wince.

Besides, how often do you get to influence where the government goes?

If they were inundated with "new raw dairy" requests they could ask for

bigger budgets and all the stuff that bureaucrats crave. All of a

sudden, you are their new found friend. There are even some of them

who truly want to see small farms succeed. Maybe you will find one.

Enjoy the ride.

Langlois

DrJWagner@... wrote:

I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally

and be grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw

milk, but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I

can. Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest

or share? We're not talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing

requirement has as much to do with "public safety" as NAIS does.

Nothing. It has to do with the wealthy dairy industry who may lose

money with the grassroots movement of dairy shares and people feeding

themselves and the control they have over our legislatures.

If we give up our right to choose what we eat and to

own livestock without government restrictions, what next?

Off my soap box now.

In a message dated 9/26/2006 2:44:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

john.langloishughes (DOT) net writes:

Instead of fighting the system,

why not use it to your advantage. Having the state license you for the

sale of raw dairy gives you a layer of protection, if there is ever a

problem. It also places a threshold of entry to those who aren't

willing to meet the minimum requirements. Now, if those minimums are

designed to favor the large dairy interests then that is a matter

begging for a law suit. But assuming they are reasonable standards for

cleanliness and proper handling, then take advantage of it.

We would gladly "sign-up" in Alabama for what should be our

constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance.

The Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago

and now we are having to try to regain it.

Langlois

[Guest guest]

Seems a

pretty poor analogy from my view….when you drive you are exposing other

drivers to your potential failings as a driver as well as risking their lapses

in judgment. When I buy raw milk to feed myself the risks aren’t spread

out among other drinkers of milk.

I don’t

mean this a flame john, but why such apparent sarcasm?

Regards,

Tom Jaszewski

Re: Are we the

only cowshare run by consumers?

I am not advocating the way things " ought "

to be, but a pragmatic way to serenity. It's analogous to buying car

insurance.

I ought to be able to drive my car and not have to worry about the " other

idiot " who may hit me. Nevertheless, the risk is too great to let

the matter be ignored on the principle of freedom. Therefore, I buy the

insurance and wince.

Besides, how often do you get to influence where the government goes? If

they were inundated with " new raw dairy " requests they could ask for

bigger budgets and all the stuff that bureaucrats crave. All of a sudden,

you are their new found friend. There are even some of them who truly

want to see small farms succeed. Maybe you will find one.

Enjoy the ride.

Langlois

DrJWagneraol wrote:

I understand this arguement, play their game and do it

legally and be grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw

milk, but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can.

Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or

share? We're not talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing

requirement has as much to do with " public safety " as NAIS

does. Nothing. It has to do with the wealthy dairy industry who may

lose money with the grassroots movement of dairy shares and people feeding

themselves and the control they have over our legislatures.

If we give up our right to choose what we eat

and to own livestock without government restrictions, what next?

Off my soap box now.

In a message dated 9/26/2006 2:44:46 PM Pacific

Daylight Time, john.langloishughes (DOT) net writes:

Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to

your advantage. Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy

gives you a layer of protection, if there is ever a problem. It also

places a threshold of entry to those who aren't willing to meet the minimum

requirements. Now, if those minimums are designed to favor the large

dairy interests then that is a matter begging for a law suit. But

assuming they are reasonable standards for cleanliness and proper handling,

then take advantage of it.

We would gladly " sign-up " in Alabama for what should be our

constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance. The

Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago and now we

are having to try to regain it.

Langlois

[Guest guest]

No sarcasm intended. It must be the lack of intonation inherent in

text communication.

Tom wrote:

Seems

a

pretty poor analogy from my view….when you drive you are exposing other

drivers to your potential failings as a driver as well as risking their

lapses

in judgment. When I buy raw milk to feed myself the risks aren’t spread

out among other drinkers of milk.

I

don’t

mean this a flame john, but why such apparent sarcasm?

Regards,

Tom Jaszewski

-----Original

Message-----

From:

RawDairy

[mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf

Of Langlois

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:49 PM

To: RawDairy

Subject: Re:

Are we the

only cowshare run by consumers?

I am not advocating the way things "ought"

to be, but a pragmatic way to serenity. It's analogous to buying car

insurance.

I ought to be able to drive my car and not have to worry about the

"other

idiot" who may hit me. Nevertheless, the risk is too great to let

the matter be ignored on the principle of freedom. Therefore, I buy

the

insurance and wince.

Besides, how often do you get to influence where the government goes?

If

they were inundated with "new raw dairy" requests they could ask for

bigger budgets and all the stuff that bureaucrats crave. All of a

sudden,

you are their new found friend. There are even some of them who truly

want to see small farms succeed. Maybe you will find one.

Enjoy the ride.

Langlois

D

[Guest guest]

So what you are saying is that if you get sick from the raw milk that you bought you would not take action against the farmer in any way. To me the licensing protects me as well as the buyer.

Chris

Seems a pretty poor analogy from my view….when you drive you are exposing other drivers to your potential failings as a driver as well as risking their lapses in judgment. When I buy raw milk to feed myself the risks aren’t spread out among other drinkers of milk.

I don’t mean this a flame john, but why such apparent sarcasm?

Regards,

Tom Jaszewski

-----Original Message-----From: RawDairy [mailto:RawDairy ] On Behalf Of LangloisSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:49 PMTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Are we the only cowshare run by consumers?

I am not advocating the way things "ought" to be, but a pragmatic way to serenity. It's analogous to buying car insurance.I ought to be able to drive my car and not have to worry about the "other idiot" who may hit me. Nevertheless, the risk is too great to let the matter be ignored on the principle of freedom. Therefore, I buy the insurance and wince.Besides, how often do you get to influence where the government goes? If they were inundated with "new raw dairy" requests they could ask for bigger budgets and all the stuff that bureaucrats crave. All of a sudden, you are their new found friend. There are even some of them who truly want to see small farms succeed. Maybe you will find one.Enjoy the ride. LangloisDrJWagneraol wrote:

I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally and be grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw milk, but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can. Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or share? We're not talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing requirement has as much to do with "public safety" as NAIS does. Nothing. It has to do with the wealthy dairy industry who may lose money with the grassroots movement of dairy shares and people feeding themselves and the control they have over our legislatures.

If we give up our right to choose what we eat and to own livestock without government restrictions, what next?

Off my soap box now.

In a message dated 9/26/2006 2:44:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john.langloishughes (DOT) net writes:

Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage. Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a layer of protection, if there is ever a problem. It also places a threshold of entry to those who aren't willing to meet the minimum requirements. Now, if those minimums are designed to favor the large dairy interests then that is a matter begging for a law suit. But assuming they are reasonable standards for cleanliness and proper handling, then take advantage of it.We would gladly "sign-up" in Alabama for what should be our constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance. The Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago and now we are having to try to regain it. Langlois

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[Guest guest]

All I

meant to say is the analogy of auto insurance doesn’t make any sense. I

didn’t mean to imply anything more or less. Text communication failure a

second time in the same thread!

Regards,

Tom Jaszewski

Re: Are we the

only cowshare run by consumers?

I am not advocating the way things " ought "

to be, but a pragmatic way to serenity. It's analogous to buying car

insurance.

I ought to be able to drive my car and not have to worry about the " other

idiot " who may hit me. Nevertheless, the risk is too great to let

the matter be ignored on the principle of freedom. Therefore, I buy the

insurance and wince.

Besides, how often do you get to influence where the government goes? If

they were inundated with " new raw dairy " requests they could ask for

bigger budgets and all the stuff that bureaucrats crave. All of a sudden,

you are their new found friend. There are even some of them who truly

want to see small farms succeed. Maybe you will find one.

Enjoy the ride.

Langlois

DrJWagneraol wrote:

I understand this arguement, play their game and do it

legally and be grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw

milk, but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can.

Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or share?

We're not talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing requirement has

as much to do with " public safety " as NAIS does. Nothing.

It has to do with the wealthy dairy industry who may lose money with the

grassroots movement of dairy shares and people feeding themselves and the

control they have over our legislatures.

If we give up our right to choose what we eat

and to own livestock without government restrictions, what next?

Off my soap box now.

In a message dated 9/26/2006 2:44:46 PM Pacific

Daylight Time, john.langloishughes (DOT) net writes:

Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to

your advantage. Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy

gives you a layer of protection, if there is ever a problem. It also

places a threshold of entry to those who aren't willing to meet the minimum

requirements. Now, if those minimums are designed to favor the large

dairy interests then that is a matter begging for a law suit. But

assuming they are reasonable standards for cleanliness and proper handling,

then take advantage of it.

We would gladly " sign-up " in Alabama for what should be our

constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the chance. The

Farm Bureau and the large dairy groups killed that chance years ago and now we

are having to try to regain it.

Langlois

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[Guest guest]

, I'm not intending this as a blast at you, but I cannot for the

life of me see how a person can say they are for the right to consume

what they choose and at the same time adopt a " go along to get along "

stance.

The founding fathers did not " go along to get along " ...thank God.

Parks did not " go along to get along " ...thank God.

Luther King did not " go along to get along " ...thank God.

The history of this country is replete with folks whose refusal to " go

along to get along " shaped the US for the better. Dumping tea in

Boston Harbor was not a " go along to get along " thing to do, but it

was right...and our government has come to the point that if we had

another Boston Tea Party we would be arrested for polluting the harbor.

In 1949 when Orwell wrote " 1984 " , everyone scoffed at the idea

of our government, city, state, and federal, watching our every move.

Now there is a " security camera " , government owned, for every 350

people in the country.

Bottom line, if I own a gallon of raw goat's milk, and want $10.00 for

it, and if you want it and have $10.00 in your pocket you are willing

to give me for it, it is none of the government's business sticking

their nose into the PRIVATE transaction.

If you want " pragmatic serenity " , fine...but I prefer to suffer a bit

of aggrevation to keep the freedoms many have died for in the last 275

or so years.

Bob

> >

> > I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally and be

> > grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw milk,

> > but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can.

> > Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or

> > share?

> > john.langlois@... writes:

> >

> > Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage.

> > Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a

> > layer of protection, if there is ever a problem.

> >

> > We would gladly " sign-up " in Alabama for what should be our

> > constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the

> > chance.

> >

> > Langlois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The Short answer to this is ITS FOOD POLITICS (READ FASCHISM) and

some DICKtators dont know when to stop

Luckily many (but certainly not most ;-( ) folks if they dont live

in a state that Allows Raw dairys to be Liscenced have a Bordering

state that does!

Sally Holdener wrote:

That's weird. Do people board their horses at horse farms?

Seems like the same type of thing to me. It's a private arrangement.

Hmmm. At least WA has it better in many ways than other states, though.

Thanks for sharing,

Sally

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been

stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept

of ag.

Jolynn

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[Guest guest]

refer to my revious reply as it applies here

WHEN GOVERNMENT STOPS TRUSTING THE FARMERS

ITS TIME TO STOP TRUSTING THE GOVERNMENT

I Blame the USDA for this Spinich Ecoli outbreak its policies

allowed it and most

other major food poisoning to have ability to occur as I said the

other day Raw milk is far safer than raw spinich ever will

DrJWagner@... wrote:

We made this exact arguement!

WA has decided that we dairy farmers are not trustworthy and any

type of sharing of dairy animals equals sales and MUST be done under a

license or it is illegal

In a message dated 9/26/2006 12:35:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sholdenerverizon (DOT) net writes:

That's weird. Do people board their horses at horse farms?

Seems like the same type of thing to me. It's a private arrangement.

Hmmm. At least WA has it better in many ways than other states, though.

Thanks for sharing,

Sally

this scenario was attempted here in WA state and has been

stated very specifically illegal without a grade A license by the dept

of ag.

Jolynn

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[Guest guest]

>The point is where will this kind of thing stop??? Will the so

called do gooders, who don't understand the facts, stop at any

certain point? There are " bad eggs " in every group farmers included,

but the government is not to think for me or for any of you. We can

think for our selves. Our society is lazy and used to having the

government think for us. We need to get back to supply and demand

and good old thinking on our own. If you want to buy milk from

me ,as was said before, check me out and my cow(s) and system.

Surprise me with a visit, what you see is what you get. You'll

Probably find cleaner more healthy cows and practices. If not, don't

buy. If I were to be supplying a store, well, maybe that is a

different animal. We need to do right all the time. Let us be the

example of integrity, but not allow this to go any further and we

need to gain some ground back. Does the government pay my bills or

do I??? Well then, they need to mind their business and leave me to

mine. > In a message dated 9/26/2006 6:10:38 PM Pacific Daylight

Time,

> cpfarm@... writes:

> So what you are saying is that if you get sick from the raw milk

that you

> bought you would not take action against the farmer in any way.

To me the

> licensing protects me as well as the buyer.

> Chris

> Would it not depend on why you got sick?

> The very very few cases of people getting sick from raw milk are

> sensationalized, and there is doubt about the ONE case I know

about whether the milk was

> actually bad...until this century there was only raw and there was

no raw milk

> plaugue or law suits against farmers.

>

> if you are buying raw milk would you not check out the faremer,

the cows,

> etc? Would you not first find a trustworthy farmer?

>

> As the farmer, would you not dump milk and inform drinkers if a

cow gets sick

> or if you test and have a high count

>

> do we not drink raw milk specifically to get the " bad stuff " in it

to boost

> our immune systems and improve our health? so much so that these

good amount of

> organisms that should be in us but have been taken away DO make us

a bit sick

> when we first start to drink raw?

> knowing what you are doing and assuming the above, why would you

take any

> action against the farmer of milk that made me sick.

>

> I was raised on raw and we were a family farm and never tested. I

think I

> remember once when the milk tasted off and so we didn't drink it

that day. We

> drink from 2 cows and about 20 different goats, raw.

> No one has ever gotten sick.

> I have gotten violently ill after eating at a " licensed "

restaurant many

> times.

> I have also been on " licensed grade A " daries, aka " protected

farmers " and

> step in the rat feces and see how the cows are housed so close

together they are

> breathing ammonia, on cement, fed chemicals and hormones and

> antibiotics....now THAT makes me want to take action against

someone...

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, but tried it...been there, done that. She, and other celebs,

are EXPENSIVE. They might be on our side personally, but when it

comes to being a vocal, high profile spokesperson, they look out for

their own bank account and want BIG bucks.

Bob

> > >

> > > I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally

and be

> > > grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw milk,

> > > but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can.

> > > Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or

> > > share?

> > > john.langlois@ writes:

> > >

> > > Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage.

> > > Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a

> > > layer of protection, if there is ever a problem.

> > >

> > > We would gladly " sign-up " in Alabama for what should be our

> > > constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the

> > > chance.

> > >

> > > Langlois

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this is just a quick note....

Valoria Loveland, head of Washington State Dept of Ag (our state's

licensing authority for dairies) has been recently named President of the

national association.... this may actually be an opportunity to help

encourage all other states to allow Grade A Raw dairies in the innovative

ways accepted here in WA in the past year!

Debbie @ Rainhaven

> > > >

> > > > I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally

and be

> > > > grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw

milk,

> > > > but yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can.

> > > > Who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot

ingest or

> > > > share?

> > > > john.langlois@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > Instead of fighting the system, why not use it to your advantage.

> > > > Having the state license you for the sale of raw dairy gives you a

> > > > layer of protection, if there is ever a problem.

> > > >

> > > > We would gladly " sign-up " in Alabama for what should be our

> > > > constitutional right to wholesome food, but we never get the

> > > > chance.

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Suzanne Sommers as a spokeswoman for RawDairy? The little I

recall of her is that a] she has big udders, or did, a few decades

ago, and b] she perfectly portrayed the ditzy blond.

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.... > RE: Re: Are we the only cowshare run by

consumers?

>

> I don't know if this email will cause people to say sheesh she is

stupid or she just doesn't have a clue. I watch suzanne sommers alot

when she comes on HSN. She is a big advocate of free range grazing,

grass fed beef, no antibiotics, no hormones etc. etc. She was even

talking the other night about not drinking milk out of the stores

that one needs to drink fresh off the farm cow or goats milk. She

even went into detail about the farmers etc. I was

CHEERING!!!! !!!!! I just wonder why as a group, people don't

solicit her as a spokesperson. She is a celebrity with what appears

to be the right attitude and knowledge. She overcame breast cancer

not using mainstream treatments as well.

>

> It just seems to me that organizations like Weston Price

Foundations, and others wouldn't get someone like her or like minded

to crusade their cause. She is high profile, and a lot of folks

listen to her. I was just wondering... .......food for

thought..... .. nobody shoot me if you don't think this is a good

idea. I am just a newbie, and throwing an idea out there.

>

> Just Thinking Outloud

> Brittany

>

[Guest guest]

Brittany,

May I forward your email here to Sally Fallon, President

of the Weston Price Foundation? I think she would like

to know. Sometimes people just have no idea that a

celebrity could support their cause. ii think this may

be the case with Sally. She is definitely not into pop

culture too much and probably doesn't know about

Suzanne, but she would have the credibility to approach

her.

:-)

>

> I don't know if this email will cause people to say sheesh she is stupid or

she just

doesn't have a clue. I watch suzanne sommers alot when she comes on HSN. She is

a big

advocate of free range grazing, grass fed beef, no antibiotics, no hormones etc.

etc. She

was even talking the other night about not drinking milk out of the stores that

one needs

to drink fresh off the farm cow or goats milk. She even went into detail about

the farmers

etc. I was CHEERING!!!!!!!!! I just wonder why as a group, people don't solicit

her as a

spokesperson. She is a celebrity with what appears to be the right attitude and

knowledge.

She overcame breast cancer not using mainstream treatments as well.

>

> It just seems to me that organizations like Weston Price Foundations, and

others

wouldn't get someone like her or like minded to crusade their cause. She is high

profile,

and alot of folks listen to her. I was just wondering..........food for

thought.......nobody

shoot me if you don't think this is a good idea. I am just a newbie, and

throwing an idea

out there.

>

> Just Thinking Outloud

> Brittany

[Guest guest]

I have the same concerns you do regarding the government saying what

we can and can not eat, and also believe that the " wealthy dairy industry "

which I see as the big pasteurized processing companies such as Darigold

(ie, members of DIPAC - the Dairy Inspection Program Advisory

Committee here in Washington that " advises " WSDA Food Safety program

manager Coles on dairy regulations....) have been the major

players behind economic barriers to doing licensed retail raw milk; I just

look at the answer as being different than what you have come up with. I

look at getting licensed and therefore requiring the government ie WSDA

Food Safety to test retail raw milk samples in their own labs as being the

best tool to refute FDA/USDA claims that raw milk is unsafe, and therefore

the best way to hold onto our right to drink raw milk.

Getting licensed is like having your vote counted.

Debbie@Rainhaven

http://www.rainhaven.com/

> DrJWagner@... wrote:

>

> I understand this arguement, play their game and do it legally and be

grateful we live in a state where we can comsume and sell raw milk, but

yet, it doesn't sit with me so I don't do it even though I can. Who is the

government to tell us what we can and cannot ingest or share? We're not

talking about drugs or guns here. The licensing requirement has as much

to do with " public safety " as NAIS does. Nothing. It has to do with the

wealthy dairy industry who may lose money with the grassroots movement

of dairy shares and people feeding themselves and the control they have

over our legislatures.

>

> If we give up our right to choose what we eat and to own livestock

without government restrictions, what next?

>

[Guest guest]

Brittany,

Thanks for the info about Suzanne.

Donna

> Suzanne Sommers as a spokeswoman for RawDairy? The little

I

> recall of her is that a] she has big udders, or did, a few decades

> ago, and b] she perfectly portrayed the ditzy blond.

> -------------------------------------

>

> ... > RE: Re: Are we the only cowshare run by

> consumers?

> >

> > I don't know if this email will cause people to say sheesh she is

> stupid or she just doesn't have a clue. I watch suzanne sommers

alot

> when she comes on HSN. She is a big advocate of free range grazing,

> grass fed beef, no antibiotics, no hormones etc. etc. She was even

> talking the other night about not drinking milk out of the stores

> that one needs to drink fresh off the farm cow or goats milk. She

> even went into detail about the farmers etc. I was

> CHEERING!!!! !!!!! I just wonder why as a group, people don't

> solicit her as a spokesperson. She is a celebrity with what appears

> to be the right attitude and knowledge. She overcame breast cancer

> not using mainstream treatments as well.

> >

> > It just seems to me that organizations like Weston Price

> Foundations, and others wouldn't get someone like her or like

minded

> to crusade their cause. She is high profile, and a lot of folks

> listen to her. I was just wondering... .......food for

> thought..... .. nobody shoot me if you don't think this is a good

> idea. I am just a newbie, and throwing an idea out there.

> >

> > Just Thinking Outloud

> > Brittany

> >

>