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Sooo true it is beyond exhausting day in + day out!

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Famiy and friends who think they know the answer

I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

OCD problem.

They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

yet they have strong

opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter hearing

any of their thoughts

and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

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I think we've all been there before - more than once! Sometimes I would say

things like " I'll take that into consideration " or just plain " thanks for your

concern " . This let them know that I would make decisions about what was best

(despite what they had to say) and that i appreciated any concern (gave them the

benefit of a doubt here). I don't confide in many others about my son - they

just don't get it! In our case, the issues have been around long enough that

others no longer question their validity.

Hope it gets ironed out soon! Until then, you have us to vent to.

Bonnie

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> I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

> OCD problem.

> They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

> yet they have strong

>

> opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> any of their thoughts

> and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

>

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Sounds familiar. Contributed to a split in my family. Now I hear the ever

helpful advice about my daughter's suicidal comments - you just have to let her

go. Even if I don't have control of her decision, I don't want to hear that

stuff. Ooh, thanks for that.

As you might guess, I don't share much with family or others either. They never

will " get it. "

Dot

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> I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

> OCD problem.

> They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

> yet they have strong

>

> opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> any of their thoughts

> and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

>

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I'm sorry, Dot, that is a cruel and insensitive thing to say to the parent of a

child with suicidal thoughts. What the heck are people thinking??

I think OCD is one of the most misunderstood mental illnesses there is. I have

learned to ignore well intentioned relatives who " can relate " to what my

daughter is going through because they have to arrange the towels a certain way.

*Groan*

My father, who meant well, just suggested I have a " codependent " relationship

with my 17-year-old daughter who has OCD, as well as Asperger's and other

issues. She is very dependent on me. We're together most of the time, and I am

the only non-clinician she confides to about her intrusive thoughts.

I love her dearly and would do anything for her, but it is exhausting. I would

cut off my right arm if she could have a " normal " life.

I'd actually love to be one of those parents waiting up for her at night. But it

is what it is, y'know? And my dad is suggesting this " codependent " thing is

filling some need in me? *Sigh* I have a lot of needs, including a day to myself

and a really good cup of coffee. Watching my child suffer year after year is NOT

on the list.

Thanks for letting me vent. I like the responses some of you suggested, like

" thank you for your concern. " One of mine is " You have some interesting points,

but this is WAY more complicated than you realize. "

Steph

>

> Sounds familiar. Contributed to a split in my family. Now I hear the ever

helpful advice about my daughter's suicidal comments - you just have to let her

go. Even if I don't have control of her decision, I don't want to hear that

stuff. Ooh, thanks for that.

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Gosh, just last night I said to my sister in law that I was so tired, & I

wondered how my son managed going to school when most nights he was up until 2AM

due to OCD....she said that he obviously just doesn't need the sleep....What 13

yr old boy doesn't need lots of sleep...I was so frustrated...I changed the

subject..But not before my mother in law told me it was just a phase and he'd

grow out of it...They just don't get it..ugh.

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> I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

> OCD problem.

> They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

> yet they have strong

>

> opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> any of their thoughts

> and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

>

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I have a good friend whose son has had depression for several years. After

seeing the reactions she was getting from our other " friends " (including people

talking behind her back about what she was doing wrong!) we decided not to tell

anyone about our daughter's condition. The only people who know about it are one

of the teachers from her school, and my manager at work (who has a sister with

OCD).

It makes it hard because there aren't too many people to talk to (that's why I

rely so much on these forums), but in the long run, I think it's a lot easier

than having our whole family judged by everyone around us.

I actually suspect that my nephew has OCD too, but it's never been mentioned, so

maybe they're keeping it quiet too.

Jo

>

> I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

> OCD problem.

> They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

> yet they have strong

>

> opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> any of their thoughts

> and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

>

>

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Don't I wish it was a " phase. " When I think about my daughter & school, I also

am amazed she has done as well as she has, given that she's spending so much

time controlled by OCD. It really makes me wonder what she could accomplish if

she didn't waste any time on OCD. I hope she can get to the point where OCD

doesn't hold her back & she can accomplish everything she wants to.

Good luck to your son in reaching his goals, and hope his OCD treatment goes

well so he can rest.

Dot

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> Gosh, just last night I said to my sister in law that I was so tired, & I

wondered how my son managed going to school when most nights he was up until 2AM

due to OCD....she said that he obviously just doesn't need the sleep....What 13

yr old boy doesn't need lots of sleep...I was so frustrated...I changed the

subject..But not before my mother in law told me it was just a phase and he'd

grow out of it...They just don't get it..ugh.

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Oh, how this topic hits close to home for me! This is the first time I have

replied to a thread, though I've been following it for a long time. I am so

tired of people telling me that if I just kept my son up later at night, he'd

sleep in in the mornings (he wakes at 4am most days), and that if I just refused

to give him the foods he likes, he'd try new things, and and and.... People just

don't get it and I have no patience left. I'm so glad this message board exists!

I too wonder what my son (who is 7 and just completed grade 1, and tested

recently at a grade three level in most areas), could accomplish were it not for

all the time his mind spends occupied with compulsions and rituals...

Karyn

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Having a son who was a " picky " eater, I know refusing the food they like won't

work. And then considering everyone considers me a picky eater too (so much I

don't like, though I admit, haven't tried all), I know that was no way to get me

to try new things either. My son made me look good!

We did encourage to try a bite of something new (do that myself), even if just

once a month. Some things I didn't like at a younger age, I liked later. Some

I've never liked, my taste buds just don't like 'em.

With my son, some of it was texture problems. Not so for me. These days he

eats great, much broader diet than me, he's 22 now.

My other 2 sons have always eaten well, plus foods I don't like.

also used to go to sleep earlier than my other 2, by 8 or 9. Up earlier

too, of course, but not 4am! Anyway, some people just seem to need less sleep

than others, some are night owls, others not....

Of course, I agree that others, family included, just don't *get* OCD. We lived

with my mom and she didn't, wasn't inclined to read, learn about it either. She

could see being " stuck " and repeating things and still not have a clue.

He would be, say, standing there mentally preparing himself to try to get in bed

again so it would feel " right " and he could stay, and she'd say something like

look how stiff he is, and try to rub/massage his legs or arms, etc., not even

getting what he was doing, just that he was unable to get in bed and maybe upset

too. Nice guy that he is, he didn't try to correct her, would sometimes let her

massage/rub, sometimes say " okay grandma, that's enough, stop. " I will say it

sometimes seemed to break his " stuckness, " it may have been a distraction for

him or something.

single mom, 3 sons

, 22, with OCD, dysgraphia, Aspergers

>

> Oh, how this topic hits close to home for me! This is the first time I have

replied to a thread, though I've been following it for a long time. I am so

tired of people telling me that if I just kept my son up later at night, he'd

sleep in in the mornings (he wakes at 4am most days), and that if I just refused

to give him the foods he likes, he'd try new things, and and and.... People just

don't get it and I have no patience left. I'm so glad this message board exists!

I too wonder what my son (who is 7 and just completed grade 1, and tested

recently at a grade three level in most areas), could accomplish were it not for

all the time his mind spends occupied with compulsions and rituals...

>

> Karyn

>

> Sent from my iPad

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I know that it is so hard when people absolutely don't understand--I don't want

to hide the fact of my son's OCD, it is nothing to be ashamed of, but I have

learned to be very selective about whom I share all the worry with.  Some

people are toxic.  My personal favorite response is, " Oh, I just cannot imagine

what you are going through.  My kids have never had any problems. "  

Seriously!!   What a charmed life, eh?  You gotta laugh at the cluelessness

of some people.

, mother of 15y/o son

OCD, depression

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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:13 AM

Subject: Re: Famiy and friends who think they know the answer

 

I have a good friend whose son has had depression for several years. After

seeing the reactions she was getting from our other " friends " (including people

talking behind her back about what she was doing wrong!) we decided not to tell

anyone about our daughter's condition. The only people who know about it are one

of the teachers from her school, and my manager at work (who has a sister with

OCD).

It makes it hard because there aren't too many people to talk to (that's why I

rely so much on these forums), but in the long run, I think it's a lot easier

than having our whole family judged by everyone around us.

I actually suspect that my nephew has OCD too, but it's never been mentioned, so

maybe they're keeping it quiet too.

Jo

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> I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my daughter's

> OCD problem.

> They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily lives,

> yet they have strong

>

> opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> any of their thoughts

> and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

>

>

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That reminds me of my favourite quote from a woman with OCD on

http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/obsessive-compulsive-disorder She said

" everyone has their own case of f***ed-upness, it's just a case of being honest

about it " . To me, that says it all :-)

Jo

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> > I'm tired of certain relatives believing they know how to " fix " my

daughter's

> > OCD problem.

> > They don't have any clue what OCD really is or how it affects our daily

lives,

> > yet they have strong

> >

> > opinions on what they would do if they were me. I don't want my daughter

hearing

> > any of their thoughts

> > and it's putting distance between my family and myself.

> >

> >

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Thanks for the great quote, Jo! I had a college professor who said " The only

" normal " people are the ones wyou don't know very well. " That philosophy has

always worked for me. Thank you for the link, too.

Steph

>

> That reminds me of my favourite quote from a woman with OCD on

http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/obsessive-compulsive-disorder She said

" everyone has their own case of f***ed-upness, it's just a case of being honest

about it " . To me, that says it all :-)

>

> Jo

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When my mom encouraged me as a young adult to find more friends " without

problems, " I told her that the only people without problems are those who are

deceased. May not have been my exact words, but you get the point.  Also pays to

remember that some who look " normal " are struggling with very different battles. 

I know a family with a little girl who just turned 3; she has a malignant brain

tumor.  Although she has done well so far, there are no guarantees for her--and

she and her family have been dealing with this for half her life.

(mom w/OCD, 11 yo dd w/OCD, 8 yo dd w/OCD/Tourette's?)

Re: Famiy and friends who think they know the answer

Thanks for the great quote, Jo! I had a college professor who said " The only

" normal " people are the ones wyou don't know very well. " That philosophy has

always worked for me. Thank you for the link, too.

Steph

>

> That reminds me of my favourite quote from a woman with OCD on

>http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/obsessive-compulsive-disorder She said

> " everyone has their own case of f***ed-upness, it's just a case of being honest

>about it " . To me, that says it all :-)

>

> Jo

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i let my son to live for a while with my family cos i needed a break...and under

the circumstances i need to stay away...he has hidden the ocd while living with

them but also he told them his feelings and ocd..no one understood him and now

they are accussing me why do i say that he has ocd..they think he has nothing

but he just do it to get my attenttion...what is this? i was even thrown out of

my sister'place after an argument while we were discussing his medical

condition- she simply said: both of you are pretending, there is nothing wrong

with him....i burst into tears and sorrow...how can them think like this...how

on earth? im totally devastated...:((((((((

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When my mom encouraged me as a young adult to find more friends " without

problems, " I told her that the only people without problems are those who are

deceased. May not have been my exact words, but you get the point. Also pays to

remember that some who look " normal " are struggling with very different battles.

I know a family with a little girl who just turned 3; she has a malignant brain

tumor. Although she has done well so far, there are no guarantees for her--and

she and her family have been dealing with this for half her life.

(mom w/OCD, 11 yo dd w/OCD, 8 yo dd w/OCD/Tourette's?)

Re: Famiy and friends who think they know the answer

Thanks for the great quote, Jo! I had a college professor who said " The only

" normal " people are the ones wyou don't know very well. " That philosophy has

always worked for me. Thank you for the link, too.

Steph

>

> That reminds me of my favourite quote from a woman with OCD on

>http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/obsessive-compulsive-disorder She said

> " everyone has their own case of f***ed-upness, it's just a case of being honest

>about it " . To me, that says it all :-)

>

> Jo

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OMG...how isolating for you! Do you have anyonethat " gets it? " ... I wish that

OCD had more public awareness... that is part of the problem....it remains so

obscure..

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> > That reminds me of my favourite quote from a woman with OCD on

> >http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/obsessive-compulsive-disorder She said

> > " everyone has their own case of f***ed-upness, it's just a case of being

honest

> >about it " . To me, that says it all :-)

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> > Jo

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Hello,

Oh how I wish I could tell all those naysayers off. What do they know anyway?

And, why don't just keep quiet. Book after book on OCD clearly states how those

who have it often hide it from those they are not comfortable with. There are

even scores of professionals who have OCD and find ways to hide from their work

partners. If I were you, I would be tempted to start copying some pages from

these books and start reading them to my family members. Probably wouldn't help

much, but at least, I would feel better.

Wish I could help more!

Best,

Joni

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I'm so glad you posted regarding this. We hear this all the time from

grandparents on both sides. On my husband's side, we hear all the time about

how this is " just a phase " and how they've figured out exactly what we, as

parents, did to cause problems for Eli. They point out things that we've done

along the way (from moving to a different house when he was two to me working

from home instead of sending him to a daycare setting) that have created a

" perfect storm " for " perfectionism. " And from the sound of things, it seems

like they have a great solution figured out... we should just let him go live

with them, and he'll be fixed!

The truth of the matter is that when he's there, he holds things in as much as

possible. They're very high-strung at their house, and they distract him well.

The compulsions he does exhibit, they don't acknowledge as compulsions. They

excuse them away with strange explanations for the behavior (he's counting

because he's practicing for kindergarten... yeah right). Then, when he comes

home, it takes about two days for him to get it all out of his system before

he's back to his " normal " self... it's like he backlogs stuff.

So clearly they know all the answers as to where we derailed in our parenting

and how we should go about fixing things. ;)

My own mom talks to me constantly about where she or " others " (my in-laws) might

have derailed, and I find myself either having to support her in her own

self-blame or defending others when she attacks them for how they treat him.

It's exhausting.

You're totally not alone. I think OCD is really misunderstood generally, and

people don't know how much they don't know about it when they start talking.

They've seen some goofy, shallow, stereotyped pictures of OCD and assume they've

seen it all... frustrating for sure.

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Along these lines -- copying parts of books -- I know it's not reasonable to

expect others to read books about ocd, but my inlaws did. They read Aureen

Wagner's book. I believe they had read or flipped through the March book

previously, but Aureen's book spoke to them for whatever reason.

After they read it, I got the most suprising and welcome email stating that they

had " been hit on the head with a to of bricks " -- they expressed understanding

and empathy for my daughter and our family.

This was after my husband had had his first meeting with the psychologist -- he

then spoke to his parents, and they asked me for a book to read or to meet with

the psych themselves for better understanding.

This was very fortunate -- that they were willing to read this book with

openness -- and I realize that most people are not willing to do this. My SIL

still considers this a parenting issue.

I will not allow that to be my problem or my child's problem.

In some cases I can see value in using a circumstance that that to teach our

kids how hurtful this ignorant behavior can be -- an opportunity to learn from

others' mistakes. We cannot control their behavior, only our own -- and even

our thoughts about that person's behavior.

I love the comments others have made that there are no normal people (except

those we don't know) and that everyone has " stuff " . So true.

And i love the previous response, " You make good points, but this is way more

complicated than you realize. "

This whole thing is so hard and can be so lonely.

But it also forces us to grow, adapt and learn.

I'll add the quote " What ever doesn't kill you makes your stronger. "

I hope and plan to allow this to make me stronger.

And I wish this for all of you as well.

: )

Noel

>

> Hello,

>

> Oh how I wish I could tell all those naysayers off. What do they know anyway?

And, why don't just keep quiet. Book after book on OCD clearly states how those

who have it often hide it from those they are not comfortable with. There are

even scores of professionals who have OCD and find ways to hide from their work

partners. If I were you, I would be tempted to start copying some pages from

these books and start reading them to my family members. Probably wouldn't help

much, but at least, I would feel better.

>

> Wish I could help more!

>

> Best,

>

> Joni

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